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TZ

(42,998 posts)
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:29 PM Dec 2011

Target Nurse-In: Did It Change Perceptions of Public Breast-Feeding?

Boobs and babes took center stage Wednesday morning as nursing mothers held “nurse-ins” at Target stores across the country to assert their right to breast-feed their children in public.

The more than 250 peaceful protests created plenty of media attention but little drama on the ground, where Target employees and fellow shoppers largely ignored the clusters of women feeding their babies.

The protesters, so to speak, were an unlikely bunch: smiling, middle-class mommies toting their equally smiley babies. They gathered near the front of Target stores, where some remained while others dispersed to the in-store Starbucks or the clearance racks or the baby-gear department. In an ironic twist, some moms nursed their babies near the formula aisle.

Wednesday’s nurse-in, one of the most comprehensive in recent memory, evolved from the experience of one Houston-area mother, Michelle Hickman, who says she was asked repeatedly on the evening of Nov. 29 to relocate to a fitting room after she’d plopped down on the floor in the women’s clothing department to discreetly nurse her 5-month-old son. According to various emails from company executives to mothers and others who complained, Target is supportive of mothers who breast-feed in its stores:



Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/29/target-nurse-in-did-it-change-perceptions-of-public-breast-feeding/#ixzz1hxQug56r

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Target Nurse-In: Did It Change Perceptions of Public Breast-Feeding? (Original Post) TZ Dec 2011 OP
Personally, I'd find a fitting room more comfortable than the crowded floor of women's wear section. hlthe2b Dec 2011 #1
I hear what you are saying. randome Dec 2011 #3
In the news interview I heard with her tammywammy Dec 2011 #5
In which case, as I said (and if true as reported)... shame on Target. hlthe2b Dec 2011 #9
"after she’d plopped down on the floor in the women’s clothing department to discreetly nurse" RetroLounge Dec 2011 #4
The article is pretty disgusting and biased I'd say to begin with... hlthe2b Dec 2011 #7
I believe she was also told she could be arrested Tsiyu Dec 2011 #8
I question the veracity of the article, given they described her as having "plopped down" which... hlthe2b Dec 2011 #11
There were lots of article about this; you don't need to rely on this one. pnwmom Dec 2011 #16
I speak only to what is posted.... I think I've covered all possibilities hlthe2b Dec 2011 #17
I don't think you read the whole article linked at the OP. pnwmom Dec 2011 #20
I don't understand the need to argue with me... hlthe2b Dec 2011 #21
Here you go Tsiyu Dec 2011 #31
I think it is time to let it go... hlthe2b Dec 2011 #32
Well, the facts were in question so I just provided a link to them Tsiyu Dec 2011 #38
Not what I read. Store employee asked if she could set her up in the dressing room... Honeycombe8 Dec 2011 #27
I would just think that having a bench or chair in the dressing room would be more comfortable tammywammy Dec 2011 #28
Here you go Tsiyu Dec 2011 #30
Not an "insinuation." Target has apologized because their employees didn't follow store policy. pnwmom Dec 2011 #15
No pepper spray? QED Dec 2011 #2
ABC Video report Whoa_Nelly Dec 2011 #6
And there DUers is the sight of a nursing infant Tsiyu Dec 2011 #10
Sorry connecticut yankee Dec 2011 #12
I have worked to encourage nursing over formula in many global settings.. hlthe2b Dec 2011 #13
Once again: Breastfeeding is about feeding babies, not your comfort. Cairycat Dec 2011 #18
Then don't look. roody Dec 2011 #25
Sometimes you have no choice connecticut yankee Dec 2011 #26
You couldn't turn away? tammywammy Dec 2011 #29
Well there's your problem, right there. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #34
and thats a symptom of something really wrong in our society TZ Dec 2011 #37
Then don't look. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #33
Do you think everyone should be forced to eat in private? obamanut2012 Dec 2011 #36
No problem SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2011 #39
Breasts to sell beer = good, breasts to feed babies = bad..I'm confused...n/t monmouth Dec 2011 #14
selling beer = capitalism, feeding layabout babies for free = socialism eShirl Dec 2011 #24
In other news: Shining Jack Dec 2011 #19
2011: Year of the righteous protest. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #22
No it changed nothing ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2011 #23
You would think Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2011 #35

hlthe2b

(113,973 posts)
1. Personally, I'd find a fitting room more comfortable than the crowded floor of women's wear section.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:34 PM
Dec 2011

Should she be required to move? Of course not. Coerced to move? Absolutely not. The insinuation/accusation seems to be that she was either required or coerced to move, in which case, shame on Target. But, if the staffer simply offered her the option, thinking she might find a bench to sit on--away from the crowds, more comfortable, then shame on whoever is making such a big deal.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. I hear what you are saying.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:37 PM
Dec 2011

But she was 'asked repeatedly'. That doesn't sound like a request made for her convenience.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
5. In the news interview I heard with her
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:41 PM
Dec 2011

She said one employee asked her if she'd like to move to the fitting room and another then said she could be cited for indecent exposure. She didn't say it was repeatedly asked that she move to the fitting room.

As the other poster said, I don't think an employee offering her a fitting room (versus the floor of the women's section) is inappropriate. The second employee was clearly out of line.

edited to add link to interview: http://www.khou.com/home/Friendswood-mom-apparently-harrassed-at-Target-for-breastfeeding-receives-support-from-around-the-country-136287673.html

RetroLounge

(37,250 posts)
4. "after she’d plopped down on the floor in the women’s clothing department to discreetly nurse"
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:40 PM
Dec 2011

Nowhere does it say "CROWDED."

RL

hlthe2b

(113,973 posts)
7. The article is pretty disgusting and biased I'd say to begin with...
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:42 PM
Dec 2011

Given they describe her as having "plopped down" which is pretty derisive language. I thus do not assume the article laid out all the facts.

I suggested it might have been crowded. What is your problem. I am giving my viewpoint of how I would perceive the situation. And, I have every right to my opinion, thank YOU very much.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
8. I believe she was also told she could be arrested
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:43 PM
Dec 2011

for indecent exposure...thus the fuss.

hlthe2b

(113,973 posts)
11. I question the veracity of the article, given they described her as having "plopped down" which...
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:46 PM
Dec 2011

would appear to be rather "loaded" language.... That is why I am assuming nothing either way. My points remain. If Target demanded this of her, then shame on them. However, if a staffer merely suggested a more comfortable alternative and this is being blown out of proportion, then shame on those doing so.

hlthe2b

(113,973 posts)
17. I speak only to what is posted.... I think I've covered all possibilities
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 06:02 PM
Dec 2011

and thus my comments hold... if, as you say, these employees violated Target's policies, then I'm hoping they have intervened to appropriately to prevent future episodes. But, as i stated, it is not inappropriate to offer a more comfortable setting, if the woman so chooses to accept. Basic courtesy on the part of that employee, even if, as it appears the other employee reacted very inappropriately. Encourage the first. Punish the second.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
20. I don't think you read the whole article linked at the OP.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 06:18 PM
Dec 2011

How would you justify this? "FLAUNTING IT"????

But when Hickman contacted corporate headquarters to share her experience, she says she was told by guest relations “just because it’s a woman’s legal right to nurse a baby in public doesn’t mean she should walk around the store flaunting it.”

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/29/target-nurse-in-did-it-change-perceptions-of-public-breast-feeding/#ixzz1hxrsLtQf

hlthe2b

(113,973 posts)
21. I don't understand the need to argue with me...
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 06:27 PM
Dec 2011

We agree that she should be able to breast feed unhindered and unopposed. We surely agree she should be treated courteously. I hope we don't disagree that for an employee to offer her a more comfortable and voluntary option--even if it is more private, should not be taken as offensive. Certainly we agree that for an employee to demand she stop or threaten her or use the language attributed to them in the posted link is despicable. I don't see any disagreement.

I stated that I find the article to be questionable, since it makes derogatory comments towards the woman in addition to the provocative, inappropriate comments attributed to the employee(s). If the facts are as stated it is horrible..Yet, I gave benefit of the doubt-- as was apparently appropriate, given the other poster who commented on the woman's own interview on video which seems to contradict some of the stories' "facts."

Regardless, I stated that if true, Shame on Target. If they have policies in place, shame on the one employee who apparently was so in violation of the policy. It does seem from the woman's own statement that the other employee was merely offering an alternative for her.

What is the argument? If you read my other posts, I am HARDLY the one you want to suggest is less than supportive of women's right (and need) to breast feed. Having worked a large part of my professional life to promote it across cultures and across the world, I am HARDLY the one you should doubt.

hlthe2b

(113,973 posts)
32. I think it is time to let it go...
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:18 AM
Dec 2011

Last edited Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:49 AM - Edit history (1)

We are not in disagreement.. We never were..

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
38. Well, the facts were in question so I just provided a link to them
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:44 PM
Dec 2011


Not arguing with you...just providing a link to what this woman was actually told by the staff at Target, since you questioned the veracity of what I was saying.

Peace

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
27. Not what I read. Store employee asked if she could set her up in the dressing room...
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 11:25 PM
Dec 2011

for comfort and privacy (after a customer reported it to store).

She supposedly had a blanket over her, but if so, how did someone know what was goingon under there? I've seen women with blankets over them nursing, and you can't really tell what they're doing, unless they're sitting down, focussed on feeding and talking to baby. Which makes me wonder...if she couldn't really shop or do anything but breastfeed, why not sit in the dressing room? Not that it would disturb me. I don't really care. Makes me wonder if it was an activist thing or something.

No big deal one way or the ohter.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
28. I would just think that having a bench or chair in the dressing room would be more comfortable
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 11:29 PM
Dec 2011

If I had worked there and saw a mother breastfeeding while sitting on the floor I would have offered her a fitting room to sit in. No harm in offering.

At my last work place I walked into the bathroom and saw a woman breastfeeding. I offered her our break room upstairs, since I don't think anyone should eat in a bathroom. That woman obviously wanted privacy, so I offered her another private place, though she declined.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
30. Here you go
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 11:39 PM
Dec 2011


Hickman, who organized a Facebook campaign to encouraged the “nurse-in,” says she was approached by two female employees who asked her to move to a fitting room. Hickman said one of the employees allegedly commented “you can get a ticket and be reported for indecent exposure.” (Emphasis mine)

http://www.genconnect.com/trends/breastfeeding-nurse-in-at-target-nascar-driver-kasey-kahne-takes-heat/

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
15. Not an "insinuation." Target has apologized because their employees didn't follow store policy.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 05:55 PM
Dec 2011

She was surrounded by several employees telling her to move, including at least one telling her that it wasn't appropriate to nurse in public.

Shame on the employee(s).

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
10. And there DUers is the sight of a nursing infant
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:45 PM
Dec 2011


You see more flesh on an Atlanta strip club billboard, and more nipple action on a male Tennessee construction worker.

But all the pearl-clutchers shield your eyes from GASP human flesh!!!!!!!!!!



connecticut yankee

(1,730 posts)
12. Sorry
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 05:08 PM
Dec 2011

I consider myself extremely liberal, but I really don't want to see mothers nursing their babies. I think this is something that should be done in private.

hlthe2b

(113,973 posts)
13. I have worked to encourage nursing over formula in many global settings..
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 05:19 PM
Dec 2011

Last edited Thu Dec 29, 2011, 05:54 PM - Edit history (1)

Making it comfortable and convenient for the mother to be able to nurse should be the emphasis. The child's health, well-being, and nourishment should come first over our cultural "sensitivities" in my opinion....That said, I see nothing wrong with providing nursing mothers with a more comfortable and voluntary option for where to do so. The irony I think is that many are uncomfortable because we have so sexualized women in this country and breasts specifically, yet I'm guessing most would get a warm tender feeling viewing a non-human primate nurse their young or most other animals. It does say something about our society, truly.


I will say--by contrast-- that while I defend women publicly breast-feeding, I do draw the line at those few parents who think nothing of changing their child's diaper at their seat using the fold-down tray, rather than taking them into the (admittedly unpleasant) airplane bathrooms. Believe it or not, we had several here defending that practice against the majority of those who expressed their disgust. It may be "natural," but it surely isn't hygienic and most certainly more than "discourteous."

Cairycat

(1,867 posts)
18. Once again: Breastfeeding is about feeding babies, not your comfort.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 06:10 PM
Dec 2011

Anywhere it's appropriate to feed a baby from a bottle is an appropriate place to feed a baby from a breast.

Feeding a baby is not indecent. The law in most states specifically protects breastfeeding from indecency charges, as well it should. Otherwise, babies getting normal, natural nutrition would be discriminated against (and I want to emphasize that it would be the babies, not the mothers).

"I think it is something that should be done in private." What if someone said that about babies fed from a bottle? Pretty inconceivable, isn't it?

connecticut yankee

(1,730 posts)
26. Sometimes you have no choice
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 11:19 PM
Dec 2011

If they're sitting next to you and you can't move. This happened once in Church.

Sorry if it offends you, but it grosses me out!

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
29. You couldn't turn away?
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 11:31 PM
Dec 2011

Was it a breastfeeding mom with a gun to your head? You can still look away and don't have to stare.

TZ

(42,998 posts)
37. and thats a symptom of something really wrong in our society
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:16 AM
Dec 2011

That something as mundane and natural as feeding your children is considered "gross".

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
33. Then don't look.
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:34 AM
Dec 2011

It's not the job of the world to adjust itself to your delicate sensibilities. Babies need to eat when they need to eat.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
39. No problem
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:41 PM
Dec 2011

My ex nursed both girls, both at home and in public. She was much more discreet when in public than at home, naturally.

She could get a baby latched on, nursing and covered with no one around her even knowing what was going on. At home, it was a free for all, LOL, breasts everywhere and everything wide open. She didn't feel comfortable, nor did she feel the need, to be that open when in public.

I know it made a difference in my daughters' development, and I'm all for breastfeeding, but I don't see anything wrong with being discreet and I see no reason to be fully exposed when nursing in public.

Not saying this woman was fully exposed or anything else, just putting my opinion out there.

 

Shining Jack

(1,559 posts)
19. In other news:
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 06:15 PM
Dec 2011

Circumcised pit-bull coated in Corn-Flakes and kudzu smokes a cigarette at Olive Garden. The doggy bag had no handle.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,958 posts)
35. You would think
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:40 AM
Dec 2011

that most sane, reasonable people would be able to tell the difference between a woman baring her breasts for the purpose of feeding her child(ren) and actually being indecent and respond appropriately. As for anybody whom is actually bothered by seeing a woman breastfeed their children, well, I have to ask, why? Though maybe I'm a little biased as I happen to think that women's breasts are quite lovely to look at. At the very least, people whom are offended by it can simply choose to look the other way and/or walk away. It's not like they're strapped in chairs and FORCED to watch women breastfeed or anything.

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