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The Northerner

(5,040 posts)
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 03:32 PM Dec 2011

Iran Regime Change, Invasion, Occupation & Recolonization is Imminent

War drums are beating louder and louder in America against Iran. The din and decibel are rising and getting louder.

Preparatory steps are being taken irreversibly as the onset of invasion and occupation of Iran is becoming more and more apparent and its imminence glaringly clear. It is rather unmistakable.

Public pronouncements by political and military leaders in the United States have been elevated to a-no-going-back sorts of, no retreat, no surrender. A blockade in the name of continuing sanctions against Iran, is about to occur, and Iranian political and military leaders are declaring any such contemplated action, as an act of war, and, such a blockade by America against Iran, Is Act of War, under International Law

The current high tempo and stridency on all sides, is just like history repeating itself, if past is prologue, I beseech everyone to harken back to the days of yore, with particular reference to the back and forth verbal altercations between America and Saddam Hussein in the lead-up to the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Read more: http://www.modernghana.com/news/369302/1/iran-regime-change-invasion-occupation-recolonizat.html

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Iran Regime Change, Invasion, Occupation & Recolonization is Imminent (Original Post) The Northerner Dec 2011 OP
Not going to happen. Period. tabatha Dec 2011 #1
unless there is a 9-11-scale false-flag attack by "Iran" on the US/allies. yodermon Dec 2011 #4
Doesn't need to be false flag - read the latest from LA Times about truedelphi Dec 2011 #17
Amen. And we've been hearing the same crazy tin-foil bullshit for SEVEN YEARS. TheWraith Dec 2011 #32
And some would rather have Health Care for citizens........ Bandit Dec 2011 #2
Oh no, here we go again. We will be in a real Dark Age, literally & figuratively. northoftheborder Dec 2011 #3
Almost ten years of this bullshit "it's here! It's going to happen!" Behind the Aegis Dec 2011 #5
If they were to attack (and I don't think they are) they would not occupy Iran because Iran teddy51 Dec 2011 #6
Iran will not be the military pushover that Iraq was, b/c Iran is coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #9
Iran is far from ethnically homogenous RZM Dec 2011 #12
I stand corrected. I suppose I was contrasting it with the Shi'a-Sunni-Kurdish coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #19
Persian is the accepted English word for the language RZM Dec 2011 #20
I live in Los Angeles which has a large Iranian ex-pat community and I've never once coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #22
I don't doubt that's the term they use RZM Dec 2011 #30
No invasion/occupation. But a military action is not out of the question, IMHO. Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #7
interesting choice for the source of your post... madrchsod Dec 2011 #8
Why not a paper in Ghana? JackRiddler Dec 2011 #23
i have a friend who moved to the usa from ghana madrchsod Dec 2011 #34
Bombing, maybe -- inciting minority groups, sure -- invasion, no way starroute Dec 2011 #10
LOL! Israel will "precipitate the region into instability"? Have you READ the news from the ME? Behind the Aegis Dec 2011 #11
No kidding! Rex Dec 2011 #15
Israel has been demanding a US greenlight for a war on Iran for years. JackRiddler Dec 2011 #24
No way. Rex Dec 2011 #13
I have a question for you, Northerner RZM Dec 2011 #14
well I don't know N's history, but LA TImes has breaking news truedelphi Dec 2011 #18
Much of this anti-Iran noise is electioneering. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #16
I hope that misspelling was unintentional. N/T RZM Dec 2011 #21
oopsies. nt Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #29
Yeah, well, if you play with explosives often enough, they might explode. JackRiddler Dec 2011 #25
The war will begin within the next 2-3 months. Prepare for it. roamer65 Dec 2011 #26
China won't allow it. lapislzi Dec 2011 #27
Iran is an observer state within SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization) roamer65 Dec 2011 #28
You are so very on target- BeHereNow Dec 2011 #33
I remember the fruitcake Wayne Madsen OKNancy Dec 2011 #31
The U.S. attack on Iran has been imminent since 2003. n/t leeroysphitz Dec 2011 #35
I thought we invaded last Tuesday??? n/t greytdemocrat Dec 2011 #36

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
32. Amen. And we've been hearing the same crazy tin-foil bullshit for SEVEN YEARS.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 09:24 PM
Dec 2011

You'd think they'd get tired of being wrong.

Behind the Aegis

(56,036 posts)
5. Almost ten years of this bullshit "it's here! It's going to happen!"
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 03:40 PM
Dec 2011

I am so sick of the wanna-be war-mongerers as I am the real ones!

 

teddy51

(3,491 posts)
6. If they were to attack (and I don't think they are) they would not occupy Iran because Iran
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:17 PM
Dec 2011

has upwards of 70 million population. You think Iraq was a mess, Iran would be way worse.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
9. Iran will not be the military pushover that Iraq was, b/c Iran is
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:34 PM
Dec 2011

pretty much ethnically homogenous (Persian) and has a large army (upwards of 1,000,000). There will be no exploiting Shia-Sunni rifts to aid in any occupation of Iran and the possibility exists of all supply lines into the country being cut off (Afghanistan to the east and Iraq to the west), leaving occupation troops facing something like Dien Bien Phu or Stalingrad where invasion\occupation forces could only be resupplied by an ever-shrinking air corridor. Hope someone at the Pentagon is reading his or her military history.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
12. Iran is far from ethnically homogenous
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:43 PM
Dec 2011

According to the CIA World Factbook, only 61 percent of the population is Persian. Azerbaijains and Kurds are 16 and 10 percent of the population, respectively. While most of the population speaks Persian fluently, it's a very diverse place.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2075.html

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
19. I stand corrected. I suppose I was contrasting it with the Shi'a-Sunni-Kurdish
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 06:31 PM
Dec 2011

3-way split in Iraq. But I take your point about diversity, although I still think we'll have a far tougher go in Iran than we did in Iraq. The Iranian army won't just fold up and surrender upon our demand it do so.

N.B. Iranians of Persian ethnicity speak Farsi. AFAIK, "Persian" is not a language.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
20. Persian is the accepted English word for the language
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 07:01 PM
Dec 2011

We don't say 'espanol,' or 'francais,' or 'deutsch.' Why should Persian be different?

If I'm not mistaken the word Farsi actually comes from Greek anyway (and I might be mistaken)

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
22. I live in Los Angeles which has a large Iranian ex-pat community and I've never once
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 07:10 PM
Dec 2011

heard anyone say he or she speaks Persian. The Iranians I've met here uniformly say they speak "Farsi" (if and when the subject arises). I guess I have been around it for so long that I can't tell you whether "Persian" is an accepted English word for 'Farsi," so I will take your word for it.

I'm not an expert in forensic linguistics, so could not even speculate as to Greek influence on the word 'Farsi'. Would not entirely surprise me, given Greek-Persian contacts way back when.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
7. No invasion/occupation. But a military action is not out of the question, IMHO.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:26 PM
Dec 2011

Hope I'm wrong...I really think it would be a disaster of epic proportions.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
34. i have a friend who moved to the usa from ghana
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 09:41 PM
Dec 2011

we have had many conversations about his homeland and what he thinks of the usa.

an interesting choice means not many people follow the news from africa.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
10. Bombing, maybe -- inciting minority groups, sure -- invasion, no way
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:39 PM
Dec 2011

The people who do the plans and scenarios at the Pentagon know there's no way a land invasion of Iran could work. Their real objective is to keep Iran from becoming a regional power, and they'll do everything short of war in pursuit of that objective.

The real danger, I think, is that Israel will do something crazy and precipitate the region into instability. That in itself is enough to worry about.

Behind the Aegis

(56,036 posts)
11. LOL! Israel will "precipitate the region into instability"? Have you READ the news from the ME?
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:41 PM
Dec 2011

"Instability" is the norm and has been in that region for years!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
15. No kidding!
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:46 PM
Dec 2011

I don't think the ME knows what stability is or has in over a century. To blame Israel...nm...we both know the score. Israel will always get blamed for the regions whoas...sad, but true.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
24. Israel has been demanding a US greenlight for a war on Iran for years.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 07:32 PM
Dec 2011

They've been lobbying for a US strike and asking support in doing it themselves.

Don't pretend they'd be innocent in this new war of aggression, if it comes to it.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
14. I have a question for you, Northerner
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:45 PM
Dec 2011

Quite often I see OPs from you based often based on lesser-known or lesser-respected sources that make highly questionable claims and/or predictions.

Often the replies in these threads are highly critical of the arguments and sources contained in the OP, but I almost never see you wade into the discussion to defend them. Why is that?

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
18. well I don't know N's history, but LA TImes has breaking news
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 05:01 PM
Dec 2011

Indicating we could be in a "Cuban Missile" style scenario. Unfortunately for the world, JFK has long been dead, and the current President is more likely to do whatever his "advisers" at the Pentagon tell him to do.

Background -- USA wants to interfere in Syria. We have military bases now encircling all of Iran.

Let's go now to breaking news from the LA Times news, posted one hour ago:


"On Wednesday, Iran's top naval commander expounded on the issue of control to the nation's English-language Press TV. Habibollah Sayyari said Iran could close the strait but did not need to do so at this time because "we have the Sea of Oman under control, and we can control the transit."

Chief Pentagon spokesman George Little said Wednesday that any interference by Iran in the strait would 'not be tolerated," stressing that the region was "an economic lifeline for countries in the gulf.' "


 

Boston_Chemist

(256 posts)
16. Much of this anti-Iran noise is electioneering.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:52 PM
Dec 2011

Last edited Thu Dec 29, 2011, 08:31 PM - Edit history (1)

The pro-Israel vote demands it.

Obama is a shrewd operator.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
25. Yeah, well, if you play with explosives often enough, they might explode.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 07:35 PM
Dec 2011

It's what I think too, but it's a stupid and dangerous game. Obama was elected despite pledging to try talks with Iran, and back off from the incessant war threats. It would not be an unpopular position today, to an American people who are sick of war -- especially of being bankrupted by one foreign aggression after the next.

roamer65

(37,852 posts)
26. The war will begin within the next 2-3 months. Prepare for it.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 07:59 PM
Dec 2011

SecDef Panetta has already agreed with the Israelis that Iran has started weaponization of enriched uranium and that is a "red line" for both parties.

http://www.debka.com/article/21585/

IMHO, this is being planned as a regional war to take out Syria and Iran, however I believe it will be the beginning of WW3.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
27. China won't allow it.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 08:09 PM
Dec 2011

They're Iran's biggest customer, and our biggest creditor will not permit interruption of its energy supply.

roamer65

(37,852 posts)
28. Iran is an observer state within SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization)
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 08:21 PM
Dec 2011

Russia and China are full members. The Russians and Chinese will not stand idly if conflict begins in Iran.

There are Russian advisors and staff in the operational Bushehr nuclear power station as well.

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