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War drums are beating louder and louder in America against Iran. The din and decibel are rising and getting louder.
Preparatory steps are being taken irreversibly as the onset of invasion and occupation of Iran is becoming more and more apparent and its imminence glaringly clear. It is rather unmistakable.
Public pronouncements by political and military leaders in the United States have been elevated to a-no-going-back sorts of, no retreat, no surrender. A blockade in the name of continuing sanctions against Iran, is about to occur, and Iranian political and military leaders are declaring any such contemplated action, as an act of war, and, such a blockade by America against Iran, Is Act of War, under International Law
The current high tempo and stridency on all sides, is just like history repeating itself, if past is prologue, I beseech everyone to harken back to the days of yore, with particular reference to the back and forth verbal altercations between America and Saddam Hussein in the lead-up to the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
Read more: http://www.modernghana.com/news/369302/1/iran-regime-change-invasion-occupation-recolonizat.html
tabatha
(18,795 posts)yodermon
(6,153 posts)or somthin
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)How Iran is closing off the Straits and now tracking US naval vessels
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2011/12/strait-of-hormuz-threats-iran-united-states.html
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)You'd think they'd get tired of being wrong.
Bandit
(21,475 posts)What's the matter with this picture...
northoftheborder
(7,635 posts)Ruled by billionaire theocrats.
Behind the Aegis
(56,036 posts)I am so sick of the wanna-be war-mongerers as I am the real ones!
teddy51
(3,491 posts)has upwards of 70 million population. You think Iraq was a mess, Iran would be way worse.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)pretty much ethnically homogenous (Persian) and has a large army (upwards of 1,000,000). There will be no exploiting Shia-Sunni rifts to aid in any occupation of Iran and the possibility exists of all supply lines into the country being cut off (Afghanistan to the east and Iraq to the west), leaving occupation troops facing something like Dien Bien Phu or Stalingrad where invasion\occupation forces could only be resupplied by an ever-shrinking air corridor. Hope someone at the Pentagon is reading his or her military history.
RZM
(8,556 posts)According to the CIA World Factbook, only 61 percent of the population is Persian. Azerbaijains and Kurds are 16 and 10 percent of the population, respectively. While most of the population speaks Persian fluently, it's a very diverse place.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2075.html
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)3-way split in Iraq. But I take your point about diversity, although I still think we'll have a far tougher go in Iran than we did in Iraq. The Iranian army won't just fold up and surrender upon our demand it do so.
N.B. Iranians of Persian ethnicity speak Farsi. AFAIK, "Persian" is not a language.
RZM
(8,556 posts)We don't say 'espanol,' or 'francais,' or 'deutsch.' Why should Persian be different?
If I'm not mistaken the word Farsi actually comes from Greek anyway (and I might be mistaken)
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)heard anyone say he or she speaks Persian. The Iranians I've met here uniformly say they speak "Farsi" (if and when the subject arises). I guess I have been around it for so long that I can't tell you whether "Persian" is an accepted English word for 'Farsi," so I will take your word for it.
I'm not an expert in forensic linguistics, so could not even speculate as to Greek influence on the word 'Farsi'. Would not entirely surprise me, given Greek-Persian contacts way back when.
RZM
(8,556 posts)It's just always struck me as odd. But hey. It's not my language
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Hope I'm wrong...I really think it would be a disaster of epic proportions.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)You trust the ones in the US better?
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)we have had many conversations about his homeland and what he thinks of the usa.
an interesting choice means not many people follow the news from africa.
starroute
(12,977 posts)The people who do the plans and scenarios at the Pentagon know there's no way a land invasion of Iran could work. Their real objective is to keep Iran from becoming a regional power, and they'll do everything short of war in pursuit of that objective.
The real danger, I think, is that Israel will do something crazy and precipitate the region into instability. That in itself is enough to worry about.
Behind the Aegis
(56,036 posts)"Instability" is the norm and has been in that region for years!
Rex
(65,616 posts)I don't think the ME knows what stability is or has in over a century. To blame Israel...nm...we both know the score. Israel will always get blamed for the regions whoas...sad, but true.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)They've been lobbying for a US strike and asking support in doing it themselves.
Don't pretend they'd be innocent in this new war of aggression, if it comes to it.
Rex
(65,616 posts)RZM
(8,556 posts)Quite often I see OPs from you based often based on lesser-known or lesser-respected sources that make highly questionable claims and/or predictions.
Often the replies in these threads are highly critical of the arguments and sources contained in the OP, but I almost never see you wade into the discussion to defend them. Why is that?
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Indicating we could be in a "Cuban Missile" style scenario. Unfortunately for the world, JFK has long been dead, and the current President is more likely to do whatever his "advisers" at the Pentagon tell him to do.
Background -- USA wants to interfere in Syria. We have military bases now encircling all of Iran.
Let's go now to breaking news from the LA Times news, posted one hour ago:
"On Wednesday, Iran's top naval commander expounded on the issue of control to the nation's English-language Press TV. Habibollah Sayyari said Iran could close the strait but did not need to do so at this time because "we have the Sea of Oman under control, and we can control the transit."
Chief Pentagon spokesman George Little said Wednesday that any interference by Iran in the strait would 'not be tolerated," stressing that the region was "an economic lifeline for countries in the gulf.' "
Boston_Chemist
(256 posts)Last edited Thu Dec 29, 2011, 08:31 PM - Edit history (1)
The pro-Israel vote demands it.
Obama is a shrewd operator.
RZM
(8,556 posts)Boston_Chemist
(256 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)It's what I think too, but it's a stupid and dangerous game. Obama was elected despite pledging to try talks with Iran, and back off from the incessant war threats. It would not be an unpopular position today, to an American people who are sick of war -- especially of being bankrupted by one foreign aggression after the next.
roamer65
(37,852 posts)SecDef Panetta has already agreed with the Israelis that Iran has started weaponization of enriched uranium and that is a "red line" for both parties.
http://www.debka.com/article/21585/
IMHO, this is being planned as a regional war to take out Syria and Iran, however I believe it will be the beginning of WW3.
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)They're Iran's biggest customer, and our biggest creditor will not permit interruption of its energy supply.
roamer65
(37,852 posts)Russia and China are full members. The Russians and Chinese will not stand idly if conflict begins in Iran.
There are Russian advisors and staff in the operational Bushehr nuclear power station as well.
BeHereNow
(17,162 posts)Everyone seems to have forgotten this story.
Not you, obviously.
BHN
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)writing the same stuff in 2004. This stuff is crazy talk.
