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NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:33 PM Jun 2012

Right Fucking Now. Elizabeth Warren for President 2016......

Plan ahead. Nobody else comes close. Elizabeth Warren: "There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own"





[font size=2]"You built a factory out there? Good for you... But I want to be clear:

you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for;

you hired workers the rest of us paid to educate;

you were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for."

"You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did."[/font size]



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20110042-503544.html


[font size=4]I declare my support for Elizabeth Warren for President 2016 right fucking now.

http://elizabethwarren.com/?splash=1 [/font size]



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Right Fucking Now. Elizabeth Warren for President 2016...... (Original Post) NYC_SKP Jun 2012 OP
I ADORE Elizabeth Warren, but she cannot win a national election. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #1
That's a very suspect thing to say. AJTheMan Jun 2012 #3
Either would be a great president, neither is electable, IMO. n/t GarroHorus Jun 2012 #8
Neither FDR nor Reagan were electable MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #30
Hey, a secret muslin black dude born in Africa named Obama won in 2008..... *sarcasm* NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #5
It's mostly the Massachusetts thing. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #9
Massachusetts politics is extremely genteel MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #33
Warren is a tough, old-school Midwesterner. Brigid Jun 2012 #50
Then why is their candidate a former Governor from Massachusetts? n/t Flying Squirrel Jun 2012 #39
That's why I think after 2012, it will be many many years before another candidate from MA... GarroHorus Jun 2012 #43
EPIC FAIL. Same was said about Obama. grahamhgreen Jun 2012 #18
oh pshaw Enrique Jun 2012 #19
Nobody wins anything without support, Garro Scootaloo Jun 2012 #22
Agreed. aaaaaa5a Jun 2012 #25
I see no way for her to lose. She is an extraordinary person Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #31
Yes, Elizabeth Warren is the best. AJTheMan Jun 2012 #2
For 2016 ozone_man Jun 2012 #4
I'd rather get her in the Senate first. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #6
Get her in the Senate, let her vote for four years, and get her in the White House! AJTheMan Jun 2012 #7
Do you know the history of JFK as regards age and experience? NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #12
K&R! - n/t coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #10
If that happened I would get on my knees and beg Hillary Clinton to run. dkf Jun 2012 #11
Warren might be willing to consider Hillary as a running mate. NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #13
Ugh. dkf Jun 2012 #15
How could you put someone in who signed Senator Gramms.... Left Coast2020 Jun 2012 #14
You would need a constitutional amendment for a 3rd term for Bill Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #32
Really? Clinton over Warren?! Wow, you aren't even bothering to hide your 3rd Way corporatism. white_wolf Jun 2012 #48
You've scared me into that position. dkf Jun 2012 #52
Unless we fix the corrupt election system, it wont matter who we run. nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #16
It's all moot if she doesn't win her election this November. Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #17
Thinking far ahead, I've contributed to her campaign... NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #36
I'd vote for her TeamPooka Jun 2012 #20
Shoot! I thought she announced her candidacy, or somethin'! inna Jun 2012 #21
I'm with you. Warren for 2016. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #23
We may love Warren here. aaaaaa5a Jun 2012 #24
Four months out and she's tied with the incumbent MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #34
I hope you are right! nt aaaaaa5a Jun 2012 #37
We first must see her voting record and hear her positions on all of the issues n/t Tx4obama Jun 2012 #26
well obama's "position on all the issues" wasn't that relevant in the end was it? nt msongs Jun 2012 #27
A - Fucking - men cbrer Jun 2012 #28
Has she won her first election yet? BeyondGeography Jun 2012 #29
If she beats Scott Brown, she will be a clear front-runner in 2016, along with the likes Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #35
K & BIG FUCKIN' R!! hwmnbn Jun 2012 #38
No, we need her here in MA graywarrior Jun 2012 #40
I am impressed with Warren, but let's see if she can win the Senate seat first ... Bake Jun 2012 #41
That would be wonderful suffragette Jun 2012 #42
I'm in. nt Zorra Jun 2012 #44
Thanks, Zorra, NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #45
No, NYC_SKP, Zorra Jun 2012 #49
I like Elizabeth, but we'll have to see her Senate voting record to see if she is truly..... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #46
Warren coming up on the Rachel Maddow Show in the next few minutes (6:25 Pacific Time). eom NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #47
I would vote for her. n/t SoutherDem Jun 2012 #51
Elizabeth Warren is all in with the war mongers. cpwm17 Jun 2012 #53
Let's let her win the MA Senate race first. Arkana Jun 2012 #54
You must be a yankee. No one in the country knows who she is, or cares. She's a nobody. And not a Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #55
Hahahahahhahahahahahaha and Obama couldn't win either. NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #57
No, she should serve her term in the Senate and be a dependable US Senator WI_DEM Jun 2012 #56
 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
1. I ADORE Elizabeth Warren, but she cannot win a national election.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:36 PM
Jun 2012

I see no way for her to win nationally.

In fact, after 2012 I suspect neither party will be nominating a candidate from Massachusetts for a very long time.

AJTheMan

(288 posts)
3. That's a very suspect thing to say.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:39 PM
Jun 2012

A lot of people have been saying Deval Patrick or Elizabeth Warren....

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
5. Hey, a secret muslin black dude born in Africa named Obama won in 2008..... *sarcasm*
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:42 PM
Jun 2012

Are you suggesting that a woman from Mass doesn't have a chance?

JURORS: My subject line is

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
9. It's mostly the Massachusetts thing.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:12 PM
Jun 2012

The rightwing has made it too much of a negative for too long, regardless of how phony their charges about Massachusetts are.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
33. Massachusetts politics is extremely genteel
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:19 AM
Jun 2012

People are generally very nice to one-another here. In most other parts of the country, politics is blood sport.

So when a Bay State politician is generally unprepared to run against, say, a Southerner. Our politicians are usually flummoxed by a street fight and get the crap beat out of them.

I believe that Ms. Warren is different. Looking at how she's gone after scoundrels like Timmy Geithner:



Patrick McHenry:




and the Morning Joke crowd:



I take her at her word that she'll leave blood and teeth on the floor. And she will win.

Perhaps it's because she wasn't born and raised in MA.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
50. Warren is a tough, old-school Midwesterner.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:33 PM
Jun 2012

That's what makes her different. I wish I could vote for her in November. I look forward to voting for her for President -- in 2016, I hope.

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
43. That's why I think after 2012, it will be many many years before another candidate from MA...
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:25 PM
Jun 2012

is nominated from either party.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
22. Nobody wins anything without support, Garro
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:31 AM
Jun 2012

If you adore her, show support, push for your representatives to be more like her. Make it known that you support and endorse her and her positions and rhetoric. That's one good way to get things to change from the bottom up.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
31. I see no way for her to lose. She is an extraordinary person
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:27 AM
Jun 2012

and so many people are still so hungry for a first female president that she has an automatic advantage from the outset.



Rmoney isn't really from MA anyways. I don't think that counts.





Oh, and I know that she could lose, that was an exaggeration.

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
4. For 2016
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:41 PM
Jun 2012

After the next economic collapse, the country will be ready for someone who speaks truth to power, another FDR, a female version.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
12. Do you know the history of JFK as regards age and experience?
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:23 PM
Jun 2012

We don't really have time to vet people, we have to trust based on their actions.

Yes, duh, she has to be a senator first, thus the 2016 qualifier.

I worry that a couple responders didn't catch the "2016 distinction from 2012.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
11. If that happened I would get on my knees and beg Hillary Clinton to run.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:22 PM
Jun 2012

Or start a drive for a 3rd term for Bill.

Oh man I really miss them.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
13. Warren might be willing to consider Hillary as a running mate.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:42 PM
Jun 2012

I don't think it would happen, and I don't think Hillary wants to run, but I would support that if it would help us win.

Left Coast2020

(2,397 posts)
14. How could you put someone in who signed Senator Gramms....
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:24 AM
Jun 2012

...deregulation of banks legislation? Or someone who deregulated the airwaves with the Communications Act? Not me. He gave us a good economy and surplus, but F'd up all the radio and TV stations. THis is why only 6 conglomerates own every fucking station that spews out this R-W filth. Air America would still be on if he hadn't signed that legislation. I'll never forgive him for that.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
32. You would need a constitutional amendment for a 3rd term for Bill
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:29 AM
Jun 2012

and Snipergate disqualified Hillary as Commander In Chief.



The Clinton era is over, get used to it.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
48. Really? Clinton over Warren?! Wow, you aren't even bothering to hide your 3rd Way corporatism.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:30 PM
Jun 2012

I don't see how anyone could support right-wingers like the Clintons over Warren.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
52. You've scared me into that position.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 07:45 AM
Jun 2012

Reading posts like yours turned me into a moderate as I pondered what would happen if ideas like yours were the prevailing ones. That's when I realized I don't think it would work. What we have isn't perfect, but it produces innovations that drive our economy. I don't see how that happens when there isn't the ability to make a profit.

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
24. We may love Warren here.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:20 AM
Jun 2012

But the fact that she is having this much relative difficulty in a state like MA, doesn't bode well for National office.
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
34. Four months out and she's tied with the incumbent
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:24 AM
Jun 2012

who was, until recently, polling as the most popular politician in the Commonwealth. I think that's pretty awesome.

And given that:

1. the debates have not started yet, in which she'll surely incinerate Scotty, and
2. Democrats have not really started spotlighting Brown's appalling voting record

I think Ms. Warren is in the catbird seat and will win by a wide margin. I guess we'll find out in November!

BeyondGeography

(39,401 posts)
29. Has she won her first election yet?
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:51 AM
Jun 2012

Let's hope she does. I agree with this article; pretty slim choices to succeed Barack as party leader:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/06/elizabeth-warren-for-president-democrats-barren-2016-bench/258772/

If Warren loses this fall, we might have to hope that Hillary's up for a run in 2016.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
35. If she beats Scott Brown, she will be a clear front-runner in 2016, along with the likes
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:49 AM
Jun 2012

of Andrew Cuomo.

If she loses to Scott Brown, then forget it.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
41. I am impressed with Warren, but let's see if she can win the Senate seat first ...
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:55 PM
Jun 2012

So far, she's never run for, much less been elected to ANY office, and you want her to run for President?

Get real.

Bake

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
45. Thanks, Zorra,
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:04 PM
Jun 2012

It's remarkable to read some of the comments upthread that people seem to think there's even time to wait for a great candidate to be vetted through one or two additional four-year cycles!

I don't have that kind of time. Do you?

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
49. No, NYC_SKP,
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:31 PM
Jun 2012

we definitely don't have that kind of time.

A candidate can have a thirty year career as a federal legislator, and not even come close to having the comprehensive, necessary qualities for Executive leadership that Elizabeth possesses.

I've donated to her 4 times, and will do so again shortly.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,259 posts)
46. I like Elizabeth, but we'll have to see her Senate voting record to see if she is truly.....
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:20 PM
Jun 2012

"The Great Liberal Hope" that some people believe she is. She'll soon find out that she has no wiggle room for compromise, or she'll be called a "caver". She'll also find out how quickly fans become enemies once she's elected. She'll have to pacify the far left, while trying not to alienate moderates. It's not as simple as it sounds. And while I'm elated that she's caught up to Brown, it's Teddy's old seat, ferchrissakes. The president is running ahead of Rmoney by double digits, while she has struggled. What's that about?

If she's the nominee, she has certainly has my vote, but I'd like to see if Cuomo gets in.


 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
53. Elizabeth Warren is all in with the war mongers.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:36 AM
Jun 2012

That's a deal breaker for me. Nothing is more important than world peace.

She sucks up to AIPAC, lies about Iran, and opposes Palestinian rights.

There's almost no mention about any national security / foreign policy that would benefit the US at her web site:
http://elizabethwarren.com/issues/national-security-foreign-policy

Here's Max Blumenthal's take:
http://maxblumenthal.com/2012/03/progressive-hero-elizabeth-warren-tows-aipacs-pro-war-line/

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
54. Let's let her win the MA Senate race first.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:37 AM
Jun 2012

Her opponent is a skilled-enough flim-flam artist that that is not a certainty.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
55. You must be a yankee. No one in the country knows who she is, or cares. She's a nobody. And not a
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:38 AM
Jun 2012

and she's not a politician, either.

Dreams are just that....dreams.

Spend your time backing someone who has a chance.

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