No, Trump didn't "hang himself" today

[thejoker123]

To those of you who think the press did a great job sitting back and allowing trump to turn this press conference into an hour of him bitching about fake news and the dishonest media...as opposed to HAMMERING him on the Muslim ban, Russia, the deregulation in congress...might i just remind you...

THIS IS HOW HE WON THE ELECTION.

And he and his people know that. That was his entire strategy today.

The press got absolutely trolled by Trump today. He controlled the room and the narrative. Few hard questions were asked, and almost no answers were forced to be given. Just an hour and a half of trump blasting the dishonest media and lying.

Where the HELL was Dan Rather when we needed him.

[muntrv]

1. Playing to his base.

[lagomorph777]

13. The mentally ill.

[NewJeffCT]

89. agreed - but, our job is to keep chipping away at that base

I keep telling people, but all we need is to swing 1 or 2 Trump voters out of every 100. We don't need them all.

If 1 vote in 100 had swung to Clinton this past November, the talk would be that the GOP is doomed at the presidential level and she would have had a real electoral landslide, as not only does that give her Michigan, PA and Wisconsin, but also Florida and North Carollina.

[Demsrule86]

2. Welcome to DU...

Why thanks for telling us what a great job Trump did even though he didn't...oh by the way. Trump did not win shit. He cheated his way into the presidency...and will be gone like wind (fart wind) in 20...enjoy your brief stay.

[dumbcat]

7. "Brief stay"?

Member since: Tue Nov 5, 2013, 07:34 PM

[Atman]

9. I think Demsrule86 made a pretty fair analysis.

WE think he did terrible. The morons who voted for him, who communicate on the same fourth grade level, will think it was brilliant. Now one talked down to them. Trumpsky spoke like their drunk uncle at Christmas dinner. They could relate.

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

[dumbcat]

18. I did not comment upon his analysis

but on his sense of "brief stay." Why are you defensive?

[Demsrule86]

15. Not surprising...we have more than a few who have been here but don't post much...surprising

you would consider saying what a great job Trump did important enough.

[dumbcat]

19. What I found important

seems to elude you. I find accuracy important. I don't know about you.

Why are you imputing some other motive?

[Demsrule86]

78. So you are maintaining that Trump did a good job?

I don't believe that is accurate period. I despise Trump...the presser was a disaster for him yesterday in my opinion. Nothing eludes me...I see this for what it is.

[dumbcat]

102. No, I am maintaining that your

statement that three years was a "brief stay."

Whatever, he's gone now. But nice try (and fail) to misconstrue my words.

[Demsrule86]

103. He is gone for a reason...and he was praising Trump.

His being gone had nothing to do with me...I wouldn't even know how to accomplish this if I wanted to, and I don't. I prefer to discuss and argue issues. He had less than 200 posts and was here three years... he springs up to defend Trump...I consider that suspicious. As for you, I was merely asking a question...your reply was not that clear...I wondered why my post was so troubling for you...not 'trying' to do anything.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. Some men/women can see furthers than others

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=309345

[thejoker123]

8. He did what he set out to do...

And the press allowed it. This is how he won the election.

[LanternWaste]

101. Yours is our winner of the Daily Logical Fallacy

Yours is our winner of the Daily Logical Fallacy. Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. Your causal relationship has erroneously been assumed from a merely sequential one.

I'm quite certain though, you'll justify it as something other than a fallacy. Alt+Logic is col.

[Ms. Toad]

24. This is the reaction everyone who suggested ahead of the election

that Trump might actually be a threat. So most of us just got tired of being called "concern trolls," and stopped talking. He is now the president.

How about slowing down on the troll-hunting of people raising legitimate concerns.

[thejoker123]

25. THANK you!

[Bear Creek]

52. Agree

He controlled the narrative. He got to say what he wanted. The headlines backed him up. The news outlets need to watch how their headlines are written. He is still trying to play from Hitlers playbook. Hitler took control of the media Goebbels ran it. The news outlets have got to quit playing this like this is normal. He wants attention any way he can get it. The news needs to ignore him it would drive him off the cliff for good. SNL is doing a great job other comedy needs to hit him hard.

[Dallasdem1988]

27. This

This is what took me so long to make an
Account. I watched anyone with even a different take he absolutely mocked and belittled and labeled. It's sad we do that to each other. I completely understood what the OP was going for.

[LAS14]

31. I agree. We need to affirm energetic debate.

We don't need to mimic the Tea Party in anything except success!

[still_one]

29. Of course it had nothing to do with the interference by Comey and the FBI, or the free pass that the

media gave to trump, or the 47% that didn't vote

[uponit7771]

30. +1, cause all the LPC members would like to stop being called wrong they ignore Comey, Russia and...

... voter suppression

[still_one]

35. yes, and of course the Russin involvement

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. Thank you.

[Ms. Toad]

54. It doesn't make a whit of difference why Trump is president

The point is that people who raised legitimate concerns about the possibility ahead of the election, were called concern trolls, were ridiculed, etc.

Shouting down, shaming, etc. anyone who doesn't see eye to eye - with us isn't healthy. It is more characteristic of Trump's cabal than of discussion on a healthy progressive site.

[still_one]

60. It sure does make a difference, and incidently I was referred to as a "concern troll" myself

after Comey released the letter to the republicans in Congress, and MSNBC reported as "breaking news, that the FBI had reopened the email investigation", and then proceeded to parade every republican politician across their screeen to propagate that lie, because it was a lie. The FBI did NOT reopen the email investigation as they reported, and as the other networks followed MSNBC's lead

I said that because of this, we have a good chance to lose, and I was criticized as a concern troll.

The action by Comey and the media changed the whole election dynamic. 47% refused to even vote.

Hillary lost Michigan by .3%. Stein received 1.1% of the vote. Similar results in Wisconsin and the other swing states.

Every Democrat running for Senate in those important swing states lost to the establishment, republican, incumbent.

What Comey did, changed the outcome, not only in the Presidential race, but also the Senate race.

Trump won, not because of his showmanship, and not because of his racist, sexist views, but because just enough of some self-identified progressives refused to vote for Hillary, and 47% of the populace refused to even come out and vote.

[Ms. Toad]

63. It makes no difference to the point I was making -

which had to do with the dismissive response to an opinion with which the poster I responded to disatreed.

Why Trump is president has nothing to do with how people respond here when someone says something outside the current party line. That is all I was commenting on.

[still_one]

65. I was addressing the OPs statement "THIS IS HOW HE WON THE ELECTION. "

That is not a "dismissive response to his opinion", that is a disagreement with the OP on why we lost the election

Perhaps it is a matter of semantics

[former9thward]

98. I did not hear you complain in July, 2016 when Comey gave Clinton a clean bill of health.

Why I believe it was just the opposite. And of course the Republicans were attacking him for being a political stooge. The media attacked Trump from morning to night. Out of all the newspapers I think only one or maybe two endorsed him, the rest Clinton. You, like many, are in deep denial.

[uponit7771]

33. Comey, Voter suppression, Russia... !!!! all else is bullshit and you're still wrong. Cheating doesn

... doesn't mean you're right

[Ms. Toad]

55. Not the point. Suppression of different viewpoints is not healthy. n/t

[uponit7771]

66. Excluding important facts on the matter is good either

[Ms. Toad]

68. I'm not excluding any fact related to the post I made,

which was addressing the pre-election practice of far too many on DU of ridiculing people for expressing legitimate concerns.

Why Trump is in the White House has nothing to do with being respectful to people who expressed concerns ahead of the election that he might end up there - or extending the same courtesy to people who express simlar concerns now.

The substantive conversation about why Trump is president is an entirely different conversation, in which I was not engaging. You want to have that conversation - have at it. It has nothing to do with the point I made.

[uponit7771]

72. I disagree, excluding voter suppression, comey and russia from 2016 election and placing the onus

... of what needs to change about democrats = blame the victim or DNC bashing.

Too many examples

[Ms. Toad]

75. What on earth do any of those have to do with not doing this:

Person A: I'm concerned that Trump might win the election

Person B: Enjoy your stay, concern troll

I haven't said a single word suggesting anything should be exclud from the substantive conversation.

My point was solely about the dismissive, condescending manner in which anyone raising concerns about the current party line is treated. The substantive issues you keep raising are completely irrelevant to that point.

[uponit7771]

76. Easy, it wasn't a free and fair election so the onus isn't on dems to do a damn thing other than

... make sure the next one is and we win ... full stop

[Demsrule86]

92. Praising Trump on DU is not healthy.

He has his GOP toadies for that...we are the resistance...well some of us I suppose.

[LAS14]

34. Good post. We've got to be SMART, not self-indulgent.

[uponit7771]

41. Smart is not ignoring Comey, Voter suppression and Russia

[Tatiana]

37. Thank you for making this point.

I agree with the original poster.

Trump is playing to his base. He is building his very own little Cult of Trump.

They eat this $hit up.

[treestar]

73. He won by extreme fluke in the EC

the concern at the time was not warranted. Never was the EC mentioned by any of the concerned. Nor was the cheating and shenanigans of the FBI. You just got lucky.

[Ms. Toad]

81. Nice.

Make my point by adding another good example of the kind of dismissive, disrespectful comments that are intended suppress anything other than one-dimensional conversation.

[treestar]

96. I made a point

You can continue to ignore it if you want. Nobody predicted the highly unlikely circumstances that led to his "winning."

[Demsrule86]

77. This guy was saying Trump did well at that presser.

He didn't. A low post, longtime Du person who pops up to defend Trump is suspicious in my opinion. I warned how dangerous Trump was and still is. Sorry I will always be suspicious of those who defend Trump.

[Ms. Toad]

84. He was saying it was a tactic

Which is similar to the concerns expressed prior to the elections.

Things that you and I believe would (and should have) destroyed all credibility in the election obviously didn't. Despite being the kind of candidate that no rational person should have voted for - enough did to put him in office.

Are you so sure Trump and his handlers aren't tuned in to what will get their base energized, and that his performance at the press conference wasn't part of that pattern? Right now, momentum is on our side - they need their base riled up and active.

That is very different than praising Trump. It is recognizing that his base does not behave rationally - and he may well have delivered precisely what he and his handlers intended to be delivered.

Doing what was intended for their evil purposes is not the same as doing well.

Mischaracterizing the concerns raised into something supportive of an obviously vile person is part of what happened repeatedly before the election that I was pointing out.

[m-lekktor]

58. what a nasty fucking post.

not everybody who deviates from your exact point of view is your enemy. jesus christ.

[Demsrule86]

74. Defending Trump? Sorry you feel that way.

[JenniferJuniper]

3. So, you really think he would have called on Rather?

[msanthrope]

4. Thanks for Trumpslaining this to us. Welcome to DU. nt

[randome]

5. There was no strategy. You're just being defeatist.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]

[thejoker123]

10. It's been the same thing for 2 years. It's a strategy.

[Jim Beard]

6. This has Bannons fingerprints all over it.

[thejoker123]

12. Yup

[SticksnStones]

11. He's trying to change the subject away from the Russian investigation

And onto anything the media will focus on...whether they're fake news, whether April Ryan can set up a meeting for him with the CBC, his madness...

He's changing the news cycle.

[thejoker123]

14. Yup

[anneboleyn]

17. Yes, he is -- desperately trying to change the subject. He thought he could control the media today

[GusBob]

16. Running for office and running the government are not the same

The man is clearly unhinged and toxic

What the voters think at this point is irrelevant when political futures are at stake

He's done

[BlueStater]

20. There's aren't enough fucks I couldn't give in regards to what his brainwashed supporters think.

Let them keep living in their deluded fantasyland. The majority of the country is against this tyrant and that's what matters.

[Dave Starsky]

22. Absolutely.

I am aware of, but am no longer afraid of, the comparisons to Hitler's rise. Hitler had the love and support of the people. I am now starting to think that Trump is the most hated American in history, and he is doing everything he can to make himself even more hated, on a daily basis.

[Fred Sanders]

43. Hitler used hate, fear and terror on his people forcing them into "loving" him.

[Dave Starsky]

46. Well, that's not going to work this time.

He'll always have the 20% true believers who are too stupid to tie their own shoes, but the rest of us already hate his guts and will only hate him more, regardless of whatever shenanigans he pulls.

[SammyWinstonJack]

40. +1000000!

[Greybnk48]

69. This!

I don't give a flying fuck what his supporters think about anything. Not anymore. Fuck them.

[uponit7771]

95. +1, the "his supporters" justification is the M$M excuse for normalizing him !!!

[Txbluedog]

21. BINGO!!!

This was meant to deflect and play to his base and it worked like a charm. He can now claim that he held a Press Conference and made himself available (and got away with answering nothing of substance). He has realized that his base has no substance to it and he is playing them like a fiddle

[leftstreet]

23. DURec

You're right Sadly

[guillaumeb]

26. The same press that willingly sat in a room wirth covered windows while Trump golfed.

The same press that is owned by the 1%.

[procon]

28. A well timed "You lie!" would have changed everything. nt

[dalton99a]

32. No shit.

[ecstatic]

57. That would be perfect! nt

[uponit7771]

97. +1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. His approval is at 39%.

All is not rosy for him. Non-Deplorables were appalled by his performance:

"It was “insane,” a “marathon rant” at the media, and “a press conference for the ages.” Before you accuse me of liberal bias, these were the terms that Fox Business Channel’s Charles Gasparino, the home page of the New York Post, and Fox News’s Shepard Smith used, respectively, to describe the performance that Donald Trump put on during a lengthy press conference in the East Room of the White House on Thursday."

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/donald-trumps-alternative-reality-press-conference

[longship]

38. The networks covered this.

I watched it all on CBS. And like all the commentators said, I was appalled by what I heard.

If people are so naive to think that this was some kind of reach out to his base, or some idiotic fifty thousand dimensional chess, they are as delusional as his base.

This was the most Twilight Zone version of a press conference in our history. Anybody who portrays it otherwise deserves ridicule.

He fucking dissed the BBC before their first question! The fucking BBC!!!!

After this afternoon, many people are praying that the straight jacket and the hypo of Thorazine is at hand in the White House.

[Fred Sanders]

42. Are you tired of America winning so much you are getting sick of it? Because no one is.

On the contrary Trump did more than just hang himself today, he hung his entire administration, turning a nomination announcement into his own personal and floundering attempt at revenge against any media critical of him.

[lillypaddle]

50. Well, yeah

that would be the case if one is sane. Scared the shit out of me, but his supporters loved it.

[nikibatts]

44. This is how he won the 2016 election. This is also how he will lose the 2020 election IF

he runs. The Hillary-haters will not go for him the second time around. Concentrate of 2018 and 2020 will take care of itself. Get the State houses and unseat as many GOPers as possible in both the House and Senate in 2018.

[NewJeffCT]

91. Not just 2018 - there is a U.S. House race in two months and

governor's races in New Jersey and Virginia.

Democrats have a good candidate in the Georgia special election in a district that Trump won by 1 point:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/02/14/1633624/-Want-to-see-Flynn-investigated-Then-we-need-to-win-back-the-House-Want-the-House-Help-Jon-Ossoff

If Democrats can turn out and win, it will be a big red flag for Republicans regarding Trump.

[elleng]

47. You're correct, I'm afraid.

'Just an hour and a half of trump blasting the dishonest media and lying.'

The one 'other,' trump/repug supporter among my friends, said he did GREAT.

[lillypaddle]

48. Unfortunately

I tend to agree with you.

[Corgigal]

49. The election is over

Now he's the President of all the people. Even for thehalf of the country that didn't show up to vote.
He's only playing to a minority, and that might not be enough to save him. He's not showing well to regular people,god forbid our foreign allies.

Just because these same people always vote, doesn't mean they are the true voice of America. Lots of people, who didn't believe they had to care and thought democracy ran on autopilot, are awaking. This is what the real republicans are worried about. They should too.

[Strelnikov_]

51. Agree

Thank you, was going to respond along the same lines.

[Dream Girl]

64. Yep people gotten woke

[Phoenix61]

53. Yes and no

He did hang himself for those who were sitting on the fence. For his hard core base, not so much. They will see it as him cheering them on, like a coach during half-time in the locker room. He expresses himself just like they do when confronted with incredibly complicated situations, fall back to either/or thinking. They will see that as correct and resent anyone who tries to tell them different.

[ecstatic]

56. Did you notice him yell and shout over any questioners who appeared to challenge him,

often before they could even complete the question? He told multiple people to sit down. So what do they do, get into a shouting match with the POTUS and risk arrest and/or termination? We are in crisis, but we need Congress to ask the tough questions because at least they have legal standing. He's a bully. He will not allow a tough question. That's the problem.

[Grammy23]

59. I did see him do that. For one poor guy, he must have misunderstood the question

Because the man clearly indicated he was not accusing tRump of being racist or anti-Semitic but tRump began answering as if the man had accused him of those very things. The man tried to stand up and re-ask the question but tRump wouldn't let him. It was shameful and disturbing.

We are in deep dodo. I can't believe we are at this point at less than one month into this Presidency.

[Rex]

61. You think the IC and the M$M will let him troll them forever?

Really?

[0rganism]

70. they'll put up with it if their owners tell them to put up with it

right now, they're a bit adversarial because they're still trying to do their jobs the way they used to do them and not used to covering dictatorships from within.

[StevieM]

62. I disagree that this stuff worked during the election. It went against him...it just wasn't enough.

Comey and the FBI rigged that whole thing, over and over again. Ditto for the State Department Inspector General's Office.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. Deplorables loved his presser. Non-Deplorables and Soft Deplorables didn't.

[diva77]

71. Maybe there should be a parallel press conference every time DT has one--to buoy up the media

We can't lose the 4th Estate!!!

[MrScorpio]

79. You know that he only appeals to morons, right?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. He (hanged) (hung) himself to the 61% of Americans who disapprove of his presidency.

If he would have pulled his pants down and took a dump at his presser instead of just taking a rhetorical one his acolytes would have said it was the greatest dump ever taken.

[In_The_Wind]

82. However ... apparently you did.

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. All the people who gave a disruptor hosannas need to do some soul searching.

[Demsrule86]

90. Yeah...and they defend their defense of Drumpt so passionately.

I have not been called out in such a manner since the primary.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

93. He had half a point. The irredeemable faction of the Deplorables loved his presser.

Everbody else thought Drumpf was unhinged.

[Demsrule86]

99. I expect nothing less.

They are not going to admit they were wrong easily. But I am against any praise of Trump...we get enough of that elsewhere.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

100. Well, now there is one less voice in praise of Drumpf.

[Demsrule86]

104. Which I had nothing to do with... by the way.

And that makes me happy...we don't need that crap here.

[Buckeyeblue]

83. You are correct

The press is going to have to invent a new way of reporting to cover 45. The old ways are no longer effective. He has set the premiss that the press is out to get him (and out to get is supporters) so each time something doesn't go his way and it gets reported about, it is the presses fault. It's a circular argument, much like religion. We might have to fight fire with fire.

[hatrack]

85. Meandering, Lying, Whining, Avoiding Responsibilty And Accusing Do Not Equal "Controlling"

Maybe they do to the Drunk Uncle Ditto Squad, and the denizens of their home planet.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

88. All these hosannas for a banned poster

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=309345

[Demsrule86]

94. And...i noted in my first post, that his stay would be brief.

A person who rarely posts who comes out to defend Trump...very suspicious.

[Seasider]

105. What makes you think the press wasn't trying to hammer him?

This isn't the courtroom scene in A Few Good Men. It's not an easy as just yelling at him demanding answers because all he'll do is ignore and call on another reporter or sick Sean Spicer on you who will threaten to revoke your credentials. There were a couple of moments like when the MSNBC guy called Trump for lying about his electoral college victory to which Trump backpedaled and came up with some b.s excsue that someone gave him that info.

I disagree that this tactic is how he won the election. I would agree that it's how he won the GOP nomination but not all Americans were that stupid and gullible. There are several factors that played into that which I'm sure have been dissected in this forum ad nausem. Trump I'm sure scored big with his core supporters but the general consensus from everyone else including many Republicans is that this was not a good moment for the Donald at all.

[erpowers]

106. His Supporters Love It, But

Most of Donald Trump's supporters love his press conferences, but many others do not. His antics are turning off many who are not from his base. In addition, even some of the people who voted for him in the election seem to being angered by Trump's behavior. It appears that some of his supporters really believed he was going to start acting more presidential once he was elected.

So, even though his base loves Trump's actions they may be the only ones who are loving his actions. He needs more than his base to get reelected.