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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFor all of you who want to say that Pres. Obama did the same as 45 is doing now in Melbourne.
I defy you to play each rally event that Obama held promoting the stimulus package or the ACA along with the insanity you just witnessed in FL. Not even in the same stratosphere.
Obama didn't out and out lie about keeping your Dr or plan. The states refused to expand Medicare and the AMA did everything in their power to keep physicians from playing a proper role. Dissuading young and healthy people from enrolling and obstructing him on every turn is what foiled the plan that had all things worked out would have allowed people not on Medicaid to keep their own plans and physicians.
Shovel ready construction jobs were just simply not invested in as the big money investments were held back on purpose, just so Obama would fail at this. Go back, read the record listen to the tapes.
Lying is when you absolutely know something to be false and saying it anyway. Speculating and proposing and planning for a certain outcome is not lying because the plans fall through. I grant you, Obama should not have promised something he could not produce himself or could not control himself. But that is a far cry from the lying that 45 does every day all day long.
Squinch
(59,513 posts)Control-Z
(15,686 posts)Could you explain it? The way it's written it sounds like you're disagreeing with the OP. That's not what you meant, is it?
Laf.La.Dem.
(2,977 posts)Control-Z
(15,686 posts)I followed it and remember it well. There is no comparison. Anyone who says differently was asleep for the last 8 years or is drinking the Kool-aid.
logosoco
(3,211 posts)people. The rally today was pumping up a candidate (even though the election is 4 years away and who knows what the future holds!).
45 just keeps saying everything is going great, when, even in the short amount of time he's held the office, he has not really done anything to benefit most Americans. And his lifestyle looks like it has already cost taxpayers a fortune.
Obama did not do everything we had hoped for, but considering what he was up against for most of the time, he did a very amazing job. He did not leave anything at all like the mess he started with. He inherited a huge mess and left a fairly decent running country with good numbers among reasonable metrics.