Massive victory for Obama

[malaise]

Upheld Mandate can't be upheld under commerce clause but can be held up as a tax.

It's fugging Constitutional!

Fuck you Rmoney! Fuck you ReTHUGs! Fuck You Teabaggers!
Fuck You Freepers! Fuck you media hacks!

beaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahaha

[flamingdem]

1. There's HOPE!

[Hoyt]

2. Wow. Hang tough Prez.

[Whisp]

3. omg I'm almost in tears here.

wow.

thank goodness.

there is a dog after all.

[CanonRay]

4. Lets' see Jan Brewer spin this one.

[WI_DEM]

5. how many voted for and against?

[DarthDem]

13. Has to Be 6-3

Or 5-4. I think Roberts started worrying about his legacy.

And this explains what I am some other DUers noted earlier in the week - - Scalia's spitting, almost incoherent dissent in the Arizona anti-immigration decision.

[Bolo Boffin]

21. I'm thinking it's 5-4, too, with only Roberts joining the left. n/t

[firehorse]

6. "medicaid limited but not invalidated"

[Romulox]

7. BIG win for INSURANCE INDUSTRY! nt

[deutsey]

20. Yeah, that's probably why Roberts went with the majority n/t

[emulatorloo]

36. Really? So why is Scalia so frigging pissed? Why did Kochs pay so much

To destroy Obamacare? Why are corporate Republicans so eager to repeal it? Why has insurance cartel launched disinformation campaign about it?

Because they recognize Obamacare is one step closer to single payer.

[Romulox]

48. By that same logic, why is John "Man-On-the-Inside" Roberts the deciding vote?

The Insurance industry WROTE this legislation, of course.

[n2doc]

49. Scalia is completely off his rocker

He hates Obama so much that anything that can be seen as a victory for the President is loathsome to him. Hopefully his health will suffer from so much hate and he'll have to resign.

[Bake]

70. If I could wish for ONE massive, lethal heart attack, it would be for Fat Tony.

I hope his head (and everything else) explodes over this. He's still pissed about being passed over for Chief Justice. Please, Fat Tony, take your bitterness and retire to Florida where you can be with like-minded idiots!

Bake

[Arugula Latte]

81. But, but...What'll poor Clarence do without Scalia's hand up his ass making his mouth move?

[Bake]

89. He'd be second, but without Tony

He'd probably take care of it himself.

Bake

[ieoeja]

65. Actually, I think they want to defeat Obama more than they want to win.

Cutting their noses off to spite their faces.

With regard to the Kochs, not sure this does them any good. Even if more people decide to buy insurance to avoid a tax penalty, are they invested in insurance? As a chemical giant they would be a supplier to the pharms, but does this really add much to the pharms? For the Kochs the gain may have been minimal making an Obama defeat the only concern for them on this issue.

[progressoid]

88. Yup.

[emilyg]

90. That it is.

[warrior1]

8. 6-3

[malaise]

12. Alito, Thomas and Scalia I'm betting

So will Rmoney still be speaking at noon

[hifiguy]

9. No wonder Fat Tony was spitting tacks a couple of days ago.

Robert Reich was correct, AGAIN.

[uponit7771]

10. MANDATE AS A TAX WILL NOT BE ENFORCED!!! Free Health care now!!

The mandate wasn't going to be enforced in the first place!!!

Way to go Obama

[global1]

11. CNN Reporting As A Loss For Obama And The Dems - MSNBC As A Huge Victory For Obama.....

Wow!!!!

[WI_DEM]

17. What the heck!?

[emulatorloo]

41. CNN's agenda is showing.

[HopeHoops]

44. Within a minute or so the website switched from "overturned" to "upheld".

I think they had everything ready and just called it wrong initially. That's the only place I saw "overturned".

[GarroHorus]

14. hUGE!

I can hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the conservanazis from my house!

[mvd]

15. Even more important is that..

many won't lose needed insurance. Single payer is what we want, but this is still better than having nothing.

[Lifelong Protester]

42. You have summed up what I am thinking

yes, I want single payer, and yes, the insurance companies are safe to keep coining cash....BUT, the things that were good about this, the closing of the doughnut hole for seniors, keeping kids on your plan until they are 26, no refusal for pre-existing conditions, especially kids, and the fact that preventive exams have to be covered by insurance, etc.

This still is a good base to start from.

[TBF]

99. It opens the door - it has taken decades to get this far

We take it and keep fighting for universal care. Roberts may have helped his insurance buds in the short-term, but it helps us too.

[myrna minx]

16. Woohoo

[crimson77]

18. Does congress have to levy that tax, meaning does the congress have to write that tax into law?

[liberalhistorian]

19. Wow. Well, paint me green

and call me Maureen, I am truly surprised! I really thought that they'd gleefully seize the chance to strike it all down. HA! Can't wait to hear the weeping and "judicial activism" wailing and gnashing of teeth from the right.

[Roy Rolling]

22. C'mon malaise

Of course it's a big victory, but let's show some class in public. In a general sense, I couldn't agree more with your statements and sentiments. But high fives and spiking the ball in their face is what makes us different than the other side.

That being said, this is a great victory for those of us who are sick of the whining by the other side and putting their hopes in the SCOTUS to do their bidding the way they screwed us in Bush v Gore and Citizens United.

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

[malaise]

25. Huh?

Listent o Tweety carefully - if this was ruled unconstitutional they would be wielding that weapon.

Fuck every ReTHUG!! Shout it from the mountain top!!!

[Raffi Ella]

38. Amen sister!

Fuck'em all!

[Roy Rolling]

39. LOL

I hear ya and totally agree. Spike the ball, but spiking the ball at their feet is taunting. But, man, I totally share your sentiments and agree 100%

Go for it!

And the last thing I would do is the same thing the other side would do---that is why you are different than they are.

It is not a "fuck the Republicans" moment as much as it is a victory for the democratic process and those who believe in the principles of progressivism.

But go ahead and celebrate, perhaps it is I who should just shut up and enjoy the moment. I especially love seeing Fat Tony simmer and blow a gasket.

[VWolf]

46. Nothing wrong with spiking the ball on your home turf

I mean, that's what DU is, right?

[Roy Rolling]

57. Yes

Like I said, I totally agree and perhaps my post is a little too reserved for such a moment in history.

[rocktivity]

85. You SHOULD get the ball spiked in your face when you play dirty.

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This was nothing but another in their long series of partisan witch hunt scorched earth attempts to undermine Obama, and they're willing to destroy civil rights, sabotage the economy, and endanger lives to win. When they pay dirty and lose, hell yes run a victory lap -- with spikes on!


rocktivity

[NightWatcher]

23. Dip me in chocolate and call me Susie

I NEVER thought this would stand

Yay, suck it Repukes

[maryellen99]

28. I'm stunned nt

[JohnnyLib2]

33. LOL--reminds me of some Dan Rather expressions.

[VWolf]

47. Ya taste good, Susie n/t

[spanone]

24. fucking A

[DCBob]

26. Excellent!! There is hope!

Cheers!

[BumRushDaShow]

27. K&R

And now add a "Public Option", and conclude with making it Medicare for all.

[Lifelong Protester]

45. YES!!!

[cbdo2007]

29. HOORAY FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA 2012!!!

He's easily going to win now.

[DarthDem]

31. Right

This is definitely not going to help Rmoney, that's for sure.

[Harmony Blue]

30. Not a slam dunk

But his legacy will be a strong one if he wins another term. To finish what he started (positive).

[Raffi Ella]

32. !!!!!!!!!!

Ha! seriously, I can't believe it. I also can't believe CNN is reporting it as a loss for President Obama. Blatant spin to go against the President- it's unreal.

Anyway, this feels like a big boost for Us. I am fired up and ready to go: Obama Biden 2012.

[Hokie]

34. CNN Headline: "Correction: The Supreme Court backs all parts ....

Correction: The Supreme Court backs all parts of President Obama’s signature health care law.

Someone at CNN is going to be eating crow with a red ass today.

[CherokeeDem]

35. YES!!!!!

This is amazing!!!

Now, can't you hear Romney? "But...but...it was my idea..., really...I created Obamacare...it's mine!"

[Blanks]

76. Truly an etch-a-sketch moment.

[NBachers]

37. Good

[erpowers]

40. It's A Victory

It is indeed a victory for President Obama.

[Glaisne]

43. Let us remember

That this ACA law, especially the mandate is a pro corporate law. It came out of right wing think tanks and was supported by corporate republicans. Corporate conservative Gov. Romney adopted for MA. It hands millions of customers to the insurance industry. Given the pro corporate leanings of the court it is not too surprising that they decided for it. Only when Obama supported it for his health care plan did the rethugs turn against it due to their Obama opposition disorder.

[HopeHoops]

50. OOD! GOOD ONE! It truly is a disorder.

[Greybnk48]

51. I've been meaning to talk to you Malaise

about saying "fug" instead of "fuck." I see you've seen the light.

[malaise]

54. Hahahahaha

I like both

[Shadowflash]

52. so, If the court has upheld that a tax for health care is legal...

...Does this bring us closer to eventual singe payer?

Medicare machinery is already in place and now a tax for health care has been upheld. How far away can it be?

[Harmony Blue]

55. Yes, but we must keep at it

the work is not done, and don't be lulled into a lack of urgency. Now is the time to make another push.

[liberalmuse]

53. What a pleasant surprise...

and 6-3? I have to say I'm shocked. I thought they would throw it all out, or at least some of it. And the mandate won't be enforced.

[GreenTea]

56. CHEERS to President Obama!!

[politicasista]

98. +100 n/t

[lonestarnot]

58. Fuck every last one of those pigs!

[Fgiriun]

59. How is this a massive victory?

Republicans will now be more driven to vote come November. Maybe it wont have much effect on the presidential election but it sure will on the congressional front. The best thing in my opinion would have been for the law to be ruled unconstitutional and have candidates run under the Medicare for all banner. This goes without saying how the law doesn't address the major scam that is the health care industry.

[Walk away]

93. Because making an ideological point is more imprortant than millions of lives! nt

[The Wielding Truth]

60. Thank you Dem's in congress and President Obama. Despite the RW we are running a civil society.

[hamsterjill]

61. I am having a really good day at work!!!!

Surrounded by Repukes (in Texas) with me being the LONE Dem!!!

Go-Bama!!! Go-Bama!!! Go-Bama!!!!

Keep it coming!!!

[skeewee08]

62. Congrats Mr. President!!!!!

[Jamaal510]

63. They were just saying on Chris Jansing's show

that this could be fuel for Mitt Rob-me's base because of how infuriated the rightists are over this decision.

[maryellen99]

69. Too bad his base is too stupid to realize

That the original idea for the mandate came from Romney when he was governor of Massachusetts.

[renate]

86. yes, exactly

Given that the right is pissed about this ruling, there couldn't--literally couldn't--be a better opponent for Obama to face in the fall. I can't wait for the debates when Obama congratulates Romney on his ideas becoming the law of the land not just for Massachusetts but for the whole country.

[JDPriestly]

95. Except that this is Romney's plan adapted for federal implementation.

Romney will run against his own plan, but statements he made back when will make him look two-faced and without principles.

[Mosaic]

64. Good one

[LynneSin]

66. I wouldn't break out the champagne just yet. The SCOTUS just prevent a massive hit to the GOP

How do you think millions of seniors would feel if their prescription drug costs started rising again.
How do you think millions of young people would feel if they suddenly lost their health care.

All SCOTUS did was prevent a massive fallout against the GOP. The GOP will now start a massive campaign that if they win THEY will repeal Obamacare.

Although I'm glad that people will not lose their coverage I suspect that SCOTUS just handed the GOP a gift.

[randome]

68. You have got to be kidding.

This is yet another black eye for Republicans. Don't you understand how the politics of perception plays out?

The Republicans vowed to repeal the 'evil' Obamacare. And now they can't. They hitched their wagon to the losing side of the argument. Losers always look worse than winners.

[Fgiriun]

73. They can still repeal it given enough votes in congress

The right wing zombies will be more motivated then ever now. Lets not forget conservatives have control of the media and their opinions resonate with the uneducated masses so we can expect their electorate to vote in greater numbers. These deranged people don't perceive logic or reason, they will act against their best interest and be glad about it.

[LynneSin]

74. I'm not kidding at all

First, what do you think happens if SCOTUS overturns this and millions of seniors suddenly have a jump in their prescription plan costs and millions of young people lose their healthcare. That would be an even worse black eye for the GOP. Obama was smart to get parts of the ACA started almost immediately because he knew the more people who were benefitting from ACA the harder it would be to repeal.

The GOP likes their 'boogieman' and for them this year it's 'Obamacare'. YOu get rid of it you get rid of their rallying call. And you're right - they can't repeal Obamacare but what they can do is layer their own healthcare reform on top of it to really fuck things up.

And finally the GOP has SCOTUS as a boogieman too because they'll talk about how it's 'making laws' and how it's stacked and will remind people that 3-4 of those justices could be retiring in the next 4 years - do you want Obama as president or Romney.

If Kennedy has sided with the progressive justices I probably wouldn't have thought this way - Kennedy is notorious for being the swing vote on the court. But it was Roberts, the man hand picked by George W. Bush to lead the SCOTUS in the 21st century for a couple of decades. Roberts took the hit and crossed over to save the GOP Boogieman.

Instead of getting out the champagne I would rather get out and work harder to get Obama re-elected. Roberts gave the GOP a gift and anyone who doesn't see that is crazy.

[Mosaic]

75. That's an upside down way of seeing this Victory

Romney is toast no matter what. Childish cries of 'obamacare' will not work with this stinker.

[Trekologer]

78. Boogieman is the same reason the GOP is always railing against abortion yet does nothing about it

Sure, when the sheep start to realize that the GOP hasn't done anything, they rattle the saber a bit but haven't made a genuine effort. Heck, during more of the Bush administration, they had both houses of Congress and the White House and did nothing. Taking away the boogieman by doing something about it is bad for electability.

[LynneSin]

80. GOP does not want to live in a world where there are no abortions

They need their boogiemen issues. Good reply!

[Blanks]

79. The rebate that will be coming August 1st is going to make the naysayers look stupid.

http://www.internalmedicinenews.com/single-view/hhs-a-billion-in-premium-rebates-coming-aug-1/fd467adc73c6e2596eeb80f111f6b37f.html

In addition to proving that insurance companies were milking us; the money will help stimulate the economy a little; just before the election.

Yeah, Romney repeal that immediately.

[ananda]

67. I'm so relieved.

nt

[Mosaic]

71. Repugs will not vote for romney

He is a Mormon flip flopper extraordinaire. I predict a tiny turnout for this loser by early November. Obama's second term is guaranteed, and he is a great president who achieved a 100 year struggle to improve healthcare in this country.

[4lbs]

72. We already have two governmental mandates as taxes, so this one as a tax makes sense

1.) Social Security is a mandate that is levied as a tax. That's the SSI portion that is taken out of your paycheck. It goes to pay for your retirement and Medicare.

2.) State Disability is another mandate that is levied as a tax. That's the SDI portion of your paycheck.


So, if anyone cries about "mandates" and "huge tax" tell them that they are already paying two mandates and why aren't they crying about that?

[VWolf]

77. Oh, those on the right DO cry about them,

right up until it's time for them to collect.

[JDPriestly]

96. I have been suggesting all along that they should have done the mandate under

the tax and spend authority of Congress. I shouldn't toot my own horn, but I have to get in a little "told you so." I also predicted that Roberts, father of two children, would decide in favor of the bill.

It isn't that I think that Roberts reached his decision based on personal considerations, but that having two fairly young children, at least still school age I believe, makes him a little more realistic about how the law will affect insurance companies and families.

Scalia and Kennedy had, I believe, fairly large families, but their children are grown. The change from primarily non-profit to nearly overwhelmingly for-profit insurance took place, as I remember it (and I could be wrong) in the 1980s through the 1990s. If you raised your children before that time, or at least got them through their early childhood diseases before that time, you probably don't understand what the fuss about. Insurance was not nearly as prohibitively expensive when these older Justices were raising their children -- and certainly not as expensive compared to average incomes.

[EnviroBat]

82. Thank God. They've done something right for a change!!!

YAAAAAAAAA!!!!

[MadHound]

83. Massive loss for the American people!

Fuck you American people! Fuck you middle class!

We now are going to be forced to purchase a product from a for profit corporation, in a system that has few price controls.

Yeah, let's celebrate that money be sucked to the top 1%.

[bvar22]

87. Victory!!!

Conservative Republican Policy upheld by the Supreme Court!
Democrats claim Victory!

Yes, Alice.
We HAVE fallen down the Rabbit Hole.







You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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[Scurrilous]

84. K & R

[wiggs]

91. Time is right for PObama to say to GOP...if you're so fired up against the

mandate, let's work together for public option, or additional tax, or single payer as alternatives. He could move the discussion back to the left, where it started before the mandate. That would be a better headline than the one the GOP will create today and which will dominate the news up until another House vote...that the House will re-double efforts to repeal the whole ACA.

The Supreme Court has removed a barrier to continuing discussions....let's take advantage.

[Walk away]

92. Thank you SCOTUS. Someone must have switched on Roberts "Human" button!

I can' believe it!

[love0bama-4ever]

94. I am screaming of delight since 10:00 non stop. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am ELATED, LOVE MY PRESIDENT, WANNA MARRY HIM, I AM CRAZY ABOUT HIM!!!!!!! VIVA OBAMA AND EVERYTHING OBAMA, HE WILL WIN IN 2012, THERE IS NO DOUBT, I AM IN LOOOOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[malaise]

97. I believe you

Hehehehehe

[Scurrilous]

100. Kick

[freshwest]

101. Right there with ya, every word, malaise!