Just curious: if you voted for an evil policy, do you deserve the outcome even if it means execution

[Tiggeroshii]

of you and your family?

Did the many Jews who voted for Hitler deserve their fate in concentration camps?

This whole "fuck the trump voters, they deserve what they get" attitude surely is begging the question considering what will inevitably be visiting us in terms of unprecedentedly evil policy within a few months.

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[MrPurple]

1. Did "many Jews" vote for Hitler?

I don't know what kind of polling was done in the Weimar Republic, but I kind of doubt it. Candidate Hitler didn't make it a mystery that he wasn't their friend.

[Tiggeroshii]

2. Yes. There was a well funded organzation for the sole purpose of getting Jewish support

And it worked quite well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews

[MrPurple]

10. I'd still be curious what percentage of German Jews actually voted for Hitler

Thanks for the link, which is interesting and I'll do some more Googling. But, the fact that there's log cabin Republican organizations doesn't mean that a lot of gays are voting for them. German Jews were pretty educated (unlike many in Russia & Eastern Europe) and even in the 20's before the failed beer hall putsch, Hitler's main supporters were hardcore antisemites and Jews would have been aware of that.

I get that the Nazis tried to play to the secular German Jews' prejudices and thinking that they were superior to the uncultured Jews from Eastern Europe. But, I'd be curious if they voted for Hitler at the rate that blacks voted for Trump, or if it was something more. As educated people, they would have been aware of the violently antisemitic figures who were on Hitler's bandwagon.

Part of it was that in the previous election before 1932, neither the Nazis or the Communists got 5% of the vote. Then, after the stock markets crashed and the depression hit, they both jumped to 30% in the turmoil. So, they probably perceived it as a choice between two radical options, and since many Jews were financially better off than most, the nationalist/monarchist choice might have seemed less radical to them than the Soviet communist option.

[Charles Bukowski]

3. The Final Solution didn't begin until 1941.

I doubt Hitler had much Jewish support by then.

Trump meanwhile, laid out his intentions from the start of his campaign.

[Tiggeroshii]

4. Actually it was within a few months that preparations

Were being set up, Jews were being marked and canps were being built.


But neither Trump nir Hitler made their intentions explicit while campaigning.

[Charles Bukowski]

8. Trump was pretty explicit

in his desire to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes for the wealthy, spend billions on Muslim bans, "beautiful border" walls, etc.

Hitler was always an anti-semite, but he kept his genocidal aspirations quiet until later.

I doubt very many of the estimated 500k Jewish people in Germany approved of Hitler in 1933 anyway, but none of them would face approved if he had called for three extermination from day one.

[Tiggeroshii]

9. It wasn't hard to read in between the lines, obviously

Just as it isn't hard for us with Trump.

[MrPurple]

6. Kristallnacht was 1938 and it had been ramping up before then

[regnaD kciN]

5. Straw-man argument...

..because it automatically takes the consequences straight to genocide.

Does anyone "deserve" systematic extermination? No. But do actions have consequences? Most decidedly. Does any 15-year-old deserve to die young? No, but, if they get blindly drunk and "borrow" the family car to go joyriding, and wind up in a fatal accident, it's simply a case of the consequences following from their choices.

Personally, I wouldn't wish on Trump voters what I expect will be the eventual consequences for many of them, but they made their choice. If I feel bad for anyone, it will be for those who didn't vote for Trump, and will wind up suffering the same, or worse, consequences themselves.

[butdiduvote]

7. Yeah, the jumping right to execution made me uncomfortable.

I don't think many people are hoping Trump snaps and literally kills his supporters, but many are hoping to see them experience some of the hurt they've already caused others with their votes. Right now, these assholes feel like they've "gotten away" with something. They feel like they've won. I look forward to them realizing there are consequences in burning down your house to spite some of your housemates.

That said, would I feel terribly bad for them if Trump literally killed some of them? I mean, they had 2 years to see who he was and voted for a volatile madman anyway. They would be the last group of people on my list of people I felt sorry for.

[Tiggeroshii]

21. I apologize for the flawed logic. But your take on it was exactly what I was looking for.

Do people who voted, regardless of their reasoning -be it ignorance or spite for others, who are directly affected by the consequence of their vote like death (like many of the ACA Trump supporting recipients will be), deserve it?

[butdiduvote]

23. In my opinion, yes.

Unless if they had some type of cognitive deficit that made them incapable of understanding what they were doing, I can't think of too many reasons why they wouldn't be deserving of the consequences they imposed on the rest of us. "I didn't really believe he would do it," isn't a valid excuse for voting for someone who ran a campaign fueled by pure hatred, and neither is any variant of "I couldn't vote for Hillary/but abortion/but SCOTUS."

[Takket]

11. Thank you for pointing this out

This poll does not deserve the dignity of a vote.

[Tiggeroshii]

22. Slippery slope really, but I'll take it. (jumping to conclusions)

Systemic or not, nobody deserves to die -even if they voted for somebody who said they will kill you, that's my perspective. ACA recipients who voted for Dumpster fire don't deserve to die any more than the millions who voted for Clinton, and the milllions even more who didn't -or couldn't, vote.

[JI7]

12. wtf are toy talKing about ? people are objecting to seeing them as victims. nobody said to enact bad

policies against them.

They themselves are supporting the shit policies.

[Bettie]

15. Exactly

now, if two people, one who is a supporter of the Vulgar Yam and one who isn't lose their health insurance, I will have more sympathy for the one who did not CHOOSE that outcome.

[JI7]

13. victimization of trump supporters. now they are comparable to jews under nazi germany

Meanwhile THEY are they ones supporting bans and deportations of nonwhites.

[ismnotwasm]

14. What the fuck.

This is the strangest Hitler analogy I have ever seen.
Nobody deserves what happened to the Jewish people on WW2. Nobody.

[jmg257]

16. Now we are equating what happenned to Jews under Hitler to what might happen

to trump supporters under trump?

Concentration camps? Extermination? Millions of people murdered?

Holy shit.

[MrPurple]

18. Of course this is phrased as a bad analogy, but

Trump actually said during the campaign that he was in favor of what FDR did with the Japanese & internment camps. I don't think he could get away with doing that (presumably for Moslems or Mexicans) without enacting a police state that takes down media and the courts.

I assumed (& still think) that some of his worst rhetoric was just to appeal to the lowest element of his voters. But, as much as I hate him, he's been way crazier and more erratic during the first 30 days than even I expected.

[jmg257]

20. That I get...they are planning to build more detention centers for border control.

But having facilities for dealing with immigrants in the country illegally is a huge step from shipping millions of people to the gas chambers.

[hrmjustin]

17. Wow!

[BigDemVoter]

19. I voted "absolutely not."

But there is a caveat. . . .

If some bizarre turn of circumstances came about, and "somebody" out of the "general" population was to be executed for something political, I would hope it would be a Pussy Grabber supporter rather than some innocent victim.

Not saying they 'deserve' it though.