Denying People Healthcare Is First Degree Murder Please Rec If You Agree

[Sebasdad22]

There is no other way to put it.

Murder.

Republicans = Guilty

Don't believe me? Ask someone who lost a family member because they couldn't afford available treatment.

Murder.

Don't call it anything else.

Rec if you agree.

[LW1977]

1. K&R

[Kimchijeon]

2. murder plain and simple. k&r

[angstlessk]

3. Second degree, but still murder!

[benfranklin1776]

4. Recommend for reality.

That's 36000 counts of first degree mirdee which is how many people are expected to die in the first year after repeal. Sounds like an act of mass terrorism to me, domestic in origin.


https://thinkprogress.org/heres-how-many-people-could-die-every-year-if-obamacare-is-repealed-ae4bf3e100a2#.tgs6fda2c






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America, decency, rationality, and all of humankind held hostage Day 40

[sarge43]

5. Impoverishing people for health care is theft. n/t

[smirkymonkey]

6. Wonder how the "pro-lifers" are going to feel about this?

I am sure they will find a way to justify it.

[Crunchy Frog]

13. They only care about "life" when it's in the female reproductive tract.

Once it's on its own, it can go to hell.

[Butterflylady]

7. I have been saying that for years.

Hospitals that turn away people due to lack of insurance and the person dies are guilty of murder. Believe it or not, it has happened.

[mwooldri]

8. I truly believe you.

I have a family member or two who, thanks to the UK's National Health Service, are still alive today - or lived much longer because they were able to access healthcare. Healthcare that was free at the point of delivery.

My late grandfather had a LOT of medications in his later years. My aunt would routinely go to the chemist (pharmacist/drug store) and come out with two big shopping bags full of his medications. Because he was a pensioner (Senior citizen) his out of pocket cost was £0.00.

My wife's late grandmother on the other hand had a medication crisis, although this was admittedly before Medicare Part D. The decision was made that she would move out of her home, move in with her daughter, and rent out her home. The money that came in for rent plus some of her Social Security paid for her medication.

Plus single payer works - it saves money. Compare to the US Medicaid system: 70 million people are on Medicaid, the US government spending in 2015 was $545 billion. Or about $7,700 per person. The UK's four National Health Services covers all 64 million people, and the combined budget is around £123 billion. Let's be fair and use 2015 exchange rates, $1.55 to £1.00 = so in US terms $190 billion, Or... about $3,000 per person. The downside to the UK NHS is the "waiting list". But there is no "death panel".

[superpatriotman]

9. Don't repeal. Fix.

It's not. Complicated.

Ideology will destroy lives.

[YOHABLO]

10. The whole medical cabal is shameless. Insurance, Dr.s, Pharma, Hospitals etc

They all make HUGE profits at our expense. I say fuck em all, go with a single payer health care system. We're done.

[Raster]

11. Single payer would put the entire medical cabal out of business...

...which they cannot have.

[burrowowl]

12. K&R!!!!!!

Yes it is!

[byronius]

14. It's an axiom derived from their devotion to destroying sensible governance.

The social safety net, the education system, the EPA -- all are born of terrible lessons that we must now relearn because orcs have taken the capitol.

I fully agree with you.

[Initech]

15. Remember the whole "Obama's death panels are going to kill your grandma" argument?

Or the whole "pre existing conditions" argument? This pretty much puts an end to that bullshit. The GOP doesn't worship god. They worship Satan.

[Sebasdad22]

21. They Are Satan

They worship money.

[Initech]

24. Remember Jesus said the dark one will pose as a creature of light.

[padfun]

16. Actually..

Killing less than 10 is murder.

More than 10 is a statistic.

/snark in case I need it.

[Initech]

25. What do we call it when it reaches thousands? Millions?

Do we dare call it genocide?

[DK504]

17. They don't care if they kill people.

The refusal to accept Afganistan's offer of handing Bin Laden over. W refused, we went in then didn't finish the job in Tora Bora and put him on the back burner.

The Iraq war.

They have no problem killing people.

[NCjack]

18. Violates one of the 10 Commandments in the Bible. nt

[SaschaHM]

19. What gets me is that the crazy alt-right..

accuses the Democratic party of wanting "white genocide" when the policies of the Republican party be they lack of environmental regulation or safety standards, destroying Obamacare, and taking us to every war imaginable is going to kill a whole lot of white people.

[bora13]

20. death panels

the committees formed to destroy ACA will forever be referred to as "death panels."

[joet67]

22. Absolutely. The Republican plan is tantamount to death panels. nt

[Sebasdad22]

23. I Guess A Few Of You Agree With Me

Thank you.

I have been calling Republican Congress Critters staff for months saying exactly this.

Every time they vote to take away my healthcare (repeal obamacare) I consider it attempted murder of me.

And I say it doesn't make me happy to know their boss is trying to kill me.

[Mountain Mule]

26. Absolutely!

I feel as if I have been a voice in the wilderness stating this truth for years now. It's all about actions speaking louder than words. Deny a sick child or an elderly social security pensioner or anyone else medical care, and they will die. I became permanently disabled because I had no access to health care. The move to cut Medicaid/ACA is a move to sign a death warrant for the people most impacted - low income children and seniors. Let 'em crawl off and go die in an alley somewhere. Paul Ryan should be put on trial for crimes against humanity just like at Nuremberg. I have been calling the office of my republican congressional sleaze member about this every other week. If that yellow-bellied bastard ever has the courage to have a local town hall, I'll go down and tell him that to his granny-killer face. Too bad he keeps staying in hiding. It's only makes the people around here MORE angry, and he's going to have to show himself sometime. I can't wait for the day!

[rwsanders]

27. NO IT IS NOT...

that is too soft a way to put it. It is eugenics plain and simple.
They want to eliminate the poor as the 1% consider them inferior and expendable.

[mythology]

28. Where do you draw the line?

If you could give somebody a drug that cost 1 million dollars that would give them an extra day of life, is that a realistic use of society's resources? Does delaying say a knee surgery because it is classified as elective classify as theft as the person lost that delay's worth of time of doing the things they enjoy? Is it murder if there is an accidental misdiagnosis that results in death?

Also given the legal definition for first degree murder is generally defined as an unlawful killing that is both willful and premeditated, meaning that it was committed after planning or "lying in wait" for the victim.

You would have a hard time proving that somebody who has no diagnosis today but ends up with cancer next year and dies was as a result of an action targeted against them specifically. You couldn't begin to prove that the person would have gone to a doctor and gotten successful treatment, much less that the government specifically targeted them personally.

[Lyricalinklines]

29. Lines could be blurred, yet needs addressed.

I see your point that the greater good shall be recipients of tax dollars. I think of how many tax dollars are utilized for special interest groups in exchange for monetary support of elections. And how many corporations accept tax dollars in the form of rebates/tax cuts and report continuing record profits. Certainly, those corporations are 'creating jobs' yet at the cost of tax dollars that perhaps could serve the greater good else where - health care perhaps - when their profits can now than provide necessary funds to properly run their business profitably, albeit a lessor profit.

I disagree with the word 'target' usage here since it implies an intent. Intent means I know a group will be subject to effects of such decisions.

I question then the further decrease in taxes on those 1% who use lobbied for loop holes to whittle actual paid taxes to less than that paid by average middle class. When cuts to assist poor occur concurrently in the same budget the logical conclusion is favoring one group over another (this example: wealthy favored over poor) not to mention divisive as well. Therefore, knowing the poor (disabled/elderly) will not be able to access care, thereby knowingly and willingly subjecting an entire population to no future care and the results of lack of necessary future care to restore health.

I see many layers of prejudice, classist even elitism in how Republicans address this issue.

[Ford_Prefect]

33. Genocide is a program to intentionally eliminate a distinct group of people by various means.

Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

The plan is to attack by any means and incarcerate, reduce or eliminate those who either represent opposition to or cultural difference from the ruling theocratic kleptocracy now controlling the White House, the Cabinet and Congress. This was always the plan. "They" spent much of the last 50 years trying to undo the New Deal, the Great Society and the Civil Rights Movement and to subvert or remove the institutions and laws generated by and in response to those programs.

[gopiscrap]

39. welcome to DU

[Stargazer99]

40. Let me give you an example as you must be a con with that attitude

When I fell off a deck on my back unknown to me because I could not afford a doctor's appointment (oh, yes, I was employed but pay could not cover rent, etc-it was not enough). I developed blood clots on both lungs and it became more difficult for me to breath as time went on. Finanlly, I could barely breath and panic and went to an emergency room (run by the Catholics). I would have died if it had not been for the compassion of others.Due to not getting to a doctor right away I now have a weak heart and it makes my life difficult. As it was by the time my multiple medical problems were taken care of it cost well over $7000. I've learned what my life is worth NOTHING because of Republicans, it would have been far more humane if I had been an abortion. The grief of losing my daughter to a medical problem which could have been easily taken care of by RX and a grandaughter would have not awoken at 14 1/2 to find her mother dead on the floor.
And another nice little asinine value system. My country exposed me to radiation (Hanford Washington). Fifty years later they finally tracked me down and phoned to find out my health status. As a kid my thyroid acted up and could have killed me (you missed that time-I was living with my aunt/uncle and he had UNION medical benefits so I was covered). At 76 I had to had 3/4 of my thyroid removed and they found 3 types of cancer in it. There isn't a word that I could repeat in public of how I feel about you conservative Republicans. If there are poor you helped create the problem with the shitty way you handle the monetary system AND YOU ARE THE PROBLEM

[Soxfan58]

30. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness

Is right in the declaration of independence. Lack of healthcare effects all three

[Fast Walker 52]

31. GOP psychokillers

[Ford_Prefect]

32. The term you are looking for is Genocide.

[workinclasszero]

34. The "pro-life" republican death reapers/terrorists

are coming for the 99%. You can bet your ass on that!

I fear this damn republican reich-wing government way more than ISIS.

Not only will they take away healthcare they will poison the water and environment we live in as well when the p*ssy grabber in-chief kills the EPA.

[LW1977]

35. Bump

[BSdetect]

36. Its esspecially galling if you come from a country with universal health care.

And this is the greatest country?

BS

[Stargazer99]

41. I was born in the US and I AGREE with your comment

[calimary]

37. Yep.

[madokie]

38. Sure it is

[eShirl]

42. it's certainly not a pro life stance