Everyone can see where this is ultimately going

[scheming daemons]

By Christmas of 2017, Mike Pence will be the President of the United States.

It is all tumbling toward that eventuality... and Pence is the least touched by the Russia scandal of all in the Trump White House.

It will be a good day for America... but also a very bad day for America. Most Americans, along with a compliant media, in a desire to move beyond the Trump train wreck, will give President Pence an inordinate amount of good will.

After the exhaustion of removing Trump from office, nobody will have an appetite for fighting Pence and the GOP. Most will want to "move on", and really how can we blame Americans? We're being desensitized to just how bad the traditional GOP is, because of the madman in the White House.

Nevertheless, for the very survival of the Republic, we must remove Donald Trump (and Steve Bannon) from power. We can deal with the regressive Pence administration that follows after that. One problem at a time.

[KittyWampus]

1. who will be his VP? The pressure must be to get a moderate Republican governor.

Cause hopefully Pence will go too.

[elfin]

4. it will be Weasel Walker

Somehow millions THINK he is moderate -- but not, by a long shot. Another Koch baby.

[Greybnk48]

11. Walker would be the worst thing that could happen.

He's religiously mentally ill, talking in tongues, fainting, which is somehow under wraps for many here in Wisconsin that haven't a clue.

He's a teabagger authoritarian to his core. He seldom goes out in public, NEVER in Madison. He enters the Capitol building through tunnels and scuttles around like a rat.

Our budget is getting as bad as Kansas. Our roads are all torn up and no $ to fix them. He want to solve the problem he and his pivatizers created with vouchers/coupons and privatization.

He wants a repeal of Roe v Wade, Obamacare, wants to sell off Govt. land (he's doing it here, selling to his cronies and donors). He's a racist and anti-gay. And, naturally, he's as dumb as Palin and Trump, maybe dumber.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

30. Vice Presidents have very little actual power. Getting Walker out of WI

would be a good thing for WI. As VP he can do a lot less damage.

I live next door in MN and can see the difference when I visit WI. As bad as our roads are, they are at least getting fixed; we even have a budget surplus. I'd love to see Walker gone.

[mcar]

13. Ryan, more likely

But either is troubling, to say the least.

[Motown_Johnny]

19. Nobody else will take Ryan's job.

They can't move him. He is stuck.

[mcar]

21. Pelosi will be back in it soon enough

[Motown_Johnny]

24. The (R)s would still need a minority leader.

Nobody want to deal with the pile of shit that is the Republican House members.

[Ellipsis]

15. I think you may well be right

He was in Wisconsin just Thursday last.

[Chasstev365]

29. I bet it would be Marco Rubio with an eye to the future.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. You think the Deplorables who are strapped and crazy are going to let their messiah be deposed?

[BannonsLiver]

8. Maybe some will take the Marshall Applewhite approach.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. We should be so lucky.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. They will have to let it. But they may be crazed to kill & maim some good people while it happens.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. It's not the 99% who won't venture outside their mom's attics I worry about. It's the 1% who will.

[Freethinker65]

3. Depends on if Trump decides to take them all with him as he goes down in flames

[still_one]

5. Pence may not receive the good will you suppose. I find it hard to believe that the press will not

push him on how much he knew, and even though he will most assuredly claim he was kept out of the loop, it will still leave a mark on his administration, if he in fact takes over

I agree with you about Bannon, and I would hope Mercer, and the other draconian thugs working in the background

[yallerdawg]

6. I disagree - Pence would be a compromised placeholder.

The Republicans would be disgraced for craven capitulation to a political aberration - and they all signed on.

We won't be "moving on."

[KittyWampus]

12. yes, but there still a process and going through the Constitutional process means Pence.

So it goes back to whom gets VP w/Pence.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. Pence would last about as long as Pres. Ford. . . . . nt

[scheming daemons]

14. Agreed

[delisen]

9. I am not so sure, if the Russian issue turns out to be immense, Pence may have to go

even if he is not very involved. In any case Dem voters should consider who a new vp should be

Lots of variables. If Russian interference was key, Pence must not be automatically assumed to be legitimate. He would have been elected by Putin.

A blowout scandal may implicate many in the Republican Party or shine a light so bright that they scurry for cover. Deal-making opportunity may arise in Congress

Public opinion will be a key.

[Faux pas]

10. The whole putin lovin'

bunch needs to go down, pence isn't innocent. Guilt by association works for me.

[vlyons]

17. I respectfully disagree

People will be outraged by the Republican agenda and Pence's Christian dominionism. He may not be as ridiculous as Trump, then again he may be just as clueless and tone deaf.

[longship]

18. The problem is that Pence is a fucking Christian theocrat!!!

And there will be a willing GOP congress behind him.

Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

Please! 2018 cannot come too soon. And damn it, we'd better all get to the polls, or we will all be screwn.

[former9thward]

22. First it was one month, now its Christmas.

The fact is unless Mother Nature intervenes Trump will be president in Christmas, 2017 and thereafter until the end of his term. People have been underestimating him since he announced and not one of the predictions that have been made about him has come true.

[flamingdem]

23. Ugh, I think you're right

There's still too much joy in discussing Trump and his crazy.

We need to save energy and get serious from here on in.

[Submariner]

26. Do whatever it takes to CRIPPLE the Trump machine until 2018 mid-terms

Take over the House and/or Senate and stop this anti-environment agenda before it causes irreversible damage to our natural environment.

Hobble these unpatriotic bastards.

[Demsrule86]

27. The Democrat will continue to fight the GOP I am confident of this.

[SDJay]

28. Respectfully Disagree As Well

If this were all to actually happen, Pence would be a politically neutered stopgap at best. Anyone with the Orange Stink on them would be totally unable to push an agenda through. Democrats would have more than enough political cover to defend against such a theocratic agenda until the midterms, which at that point would bring about an electoral ass-kicking that would tangibly neuter a lame duck Pence until he got annihilated by whomever runs against him in 2020.

That said, I think a combo of what other folks is said is most likely to be true. Either the Orange Shitstain will:

1. Realize his goose is cooked and take anyone and everyone down with him; or
2. Still be in power somehow.

Drumpf isn't going to let go of the wheel of power willfully. If it is ripped from his hands, the tantrum he throws will be so epic that anyone who's ever even talked to him is going to have poop flung on them by this man-baby.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

31. I agree. If Trump goes down he'll be taking others with him,

and those in Congress who tried to block investigations will be tainted even if they had no actual involvement. Pence would be a cardboard cutout and the GOP will have to carry the embarrassment of Trump for a long time. During the Watergate scandal some GOPers had the cojones to oppose Nixon, which probably saved the party from utter disaster. As it was, Ford lost the next election (in part because he foolishly pardoned Nixon).

[Sienna86]

32. Obstruction of justice is what others need to think about

Beyond what has already transpired. It could cut a wide swath.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

33. As a result of Watergate, 48 government officials were found guilty of crimes,

primarily obstruction of justice. That should be something for Trump's minions to think about.

[FakeNoose]

34. Let's just impeach the GOP and be done with them

Let them all go down together.

[anneboleyn]

35. The people of Indiana found out that Pence is a douche totally devoid of charisma. Zero charm

and not too bright. He is terrible at trying to persuade others, and he lacks the charisma necessary for this sort of thing. As others are saying, he would be very compromised (not unlike Ford given the circumstances), and his policies would be EXTREMELY unpopular with the majority of Americans. So even if people are exhausted, they still will not like his attempts to slash Medicare and social security and establish a theocracy. He wouldn't be elected to a term on his own.

[MFM008]

36. Then we go after him

And give shit to the rest.

[caroldansen]

37. Don't worry, no they won't. Pence would still have a republican agenda that we are all opposed to.

And he doesn't want to be president and become a target of words and dislike.