There's a wolf in California!

[XemaSab]

For the first time since 1924, a wild wolf is living in California.

OR-7, which traveled from northeast Oregon to Southern Oregon this past fall, has entered California. The wolf entered California on Wednesday and is believed to be a few miles south of the Oregon border in Siskiyou County, according to the California Department of Fish and Game.

Michelle Dennehy, a spokeswoman for the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, said the 2-year-old gray wolf entered California south of Keno, Ore., which is north of Dorris in north central Siskiyou County.

Oregon officials received GPS tracking information Wednesday morning via a collar OR-7 wears. Wildlife officials in Oregon notified their counterparts with the California DFG to let them know the wolf was in California.

http://www.redding.com/news/2011/dec/29/oregon-wolf-enters-california-now-siskiyou-county/

(Also posted this in E/E http://www.democraticunderground.com/11272747 )

[onehandle]

1. Not to worry. Some brave gun toter will take care of that. nt

[TheWraith]

5. Boy, you have a hell of an obsession with gun owners. nt

[onehandle]

12. Gun ownership = true patriotism.

And a true love.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/100285848

[greiner3]

71. You have a hell of an obsession;

With a lot of people's opinions.

As to the above poster, just for instance, I sure hope Sarah Palin and/or Dick Cheney do not get wind of this news.

[Odin2005]

25. EXCUSE ME??? I'm a hunter and am totally against shooting wolves for sport.

Take your stereotypes and shove 'em.

[Honeycombe8]

28. It was just a joke. Geez, some people have gotten so stressed out that

they've lost their sense of humor.

Wild animals in human populated areas are often killed, I'm sure you know. Hence, the poster's joke.

[tabasco]

59. "Hunter" not equal to "gun-toting idiot."

We had a gun-toting idiot shoot a bald eagle here in WV not long ago.

[RebelOne]

68. But you shoot deer for sport. What's the difference? n/t

[Odin2005]

76. There are an overabundance of deer.

[XemaSab]

34. Shit, that's half the comments coming out of Siskiyou County

[joeybee12]

55. You're getting a lot of grief from people here who misinterpret the second amendment...

But you're right...look at what the assholes in Wyoming and Montana are doing to their wolf population.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. I sure would love a little picture! On the other hand, wild wolves probably don't much

go for cameras.

[Brickbat]

4. Ours pose politely in front of the trail cam.

Of course, the leftover fried chicken has a lot to do with that, I think.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

6. No way you do not. You do NOT feed them fried chicken. nt

[Brickbat]

9. Just the leftovers.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

11. I'm no wolf expert, but I don't think that's a superb idea. What do you think? nt

[Brickbat]

13. I think that if one wolf eats one picked-over fried chicken breast in his whole life, he'll do just

fine.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

15. Ok, but next thing you know, he'll want a bucket from The Colonel. nt

[Brickbat]

16. If you give a wolf a chicken leg...

[Sarah Ibarruri]

21. LOL! nt

[Honeycombe8]

30. He could choke on the small bones. And the trans fats...

and chemicals might get him sick. You've developed a tolerance to it, and you have a different biology and digestive system.

Table scraps for pet dogs are even supposed to be strictly controlled...no small bones, like in chicken. Ever. Not even once. One small bone swallowed and it could puncture stomache or intestines, or lodge throat (they don't do the heimlich maneuver).

I would think raw ground beef mmight be fine.

[Brickbat]

31. Pet dogs are different than wolves.

Pet dogs don't usually eat birds raw and whole; wolves do. I think they'll be fine.

[Honeycombe8]

36. Dogs and wolves have same digestive system.

Dogs are descendents of wolves & they're in the same species thingie in science.

They probably will be fine. But maybe not. Why would you want to risk it? Give him ground beef. You KNOW for sure he'll be fine with that.

[Trillo]

41. It's cooked chicken bones that are said to splinter and cause perforations.

Raw chicken bones are apparently less brittle and are quickly dissolved by digestive fluids.

Don't believe me, search it out. This is pretty common knowledge among dog breeders.

Raw chicken = fine, bones and all
Cooked chicken, meat only, no bones = fine.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

47. There's nothing funny about that.

You just signed that animal's death warrant.

[Brickbat]

50. How so?

Wolves regularly eat birds and waterfowl, raw and whole. They're not fussy, or delicate eaters.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

51. Beacuse when they get used to human food

they start depending on humans for food which leads to them being shot for being dangerous to humans. Have you ever watched a wild life show?

[Brickbat]

52. Oh, when I said "ours," maybe that makes it sound like I have a pack out back that I leave food out

for three times a day? Hee! Not at all. Lone wolves pass through our land every few weeks. When I see tracks, I set up the cam and leave scraps on the deer trail for a night. A wolf gets the equivalent of a bag of Doritos one night, and moves on. They never come back to the same spot the next night -- or even for weeks, or even, sometimes, ever.

ETA: Also, they don't always find it. I get a wolf photo about 1 out of every 5 five tries. When the wolves come down to our land, they're coming for the deer, not anything I might be leaving out.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

53. Regardless of your rational

there are no good reasons to feed them. Period. You're being hugely selfish and unfair to the animals.

[Oilwellian]

63. I would love to see the "wild life show" you refer to

Where humans are feeding wild wolves every day.

Having raised wolves for the past 15 years, I've never known one who would come anywhere near a human. Even our domesticated wolves avoid being near any stranger that stops to see them.

Wolves are not a danger to humans. Instinctively, they know humans are far more threatening to them.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

67. Okay, I guess I've been wrong all along.

If I ever live near a wolf pack I'm going to leave sacks of dog food out so I can observe them.

[roguevalley]

74. our packs are shy. they like to eat dogs.

I love wolves

[Sarah Ibarruri]

75. Dogs?? omg nt

[roguevalley]

79. they live down funny river road and dogs are fair game in the country. I would keep them in my house

if I lived down there.

[virgogal]

3. No offense meant to the OP,but why is this news? Last time I

checked wolves didn't respect borders.

[MADem]

23. First known wolf in almost ninety years? I would say that is news.

It's a habitat issue.

[virgogal]

32. I guess,but what did they expect when they re-populated nearby states? I hope

they don't make it to MA.

[MADem]

40. We've got coyotes the size of Saint Bernards, damn near!

I was on the Cape last year around this time, and a giant coyote crossed my path chasing after some poor critter--I almost hit the thing, and it was BIG.

There are gray wolves in western MA, not a lot of 'em, but some. There's also a wolf habitat in Ipswich, but that's kind of a tame-ish thing.

Apparently, the coyotes and the wolves have gotten friendly enough to be called, in some cases, "coywolves:"

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2010/01/07/in-new-england-coywolves/

Important genetic study confirms Massachusetts coyotes are part eastern wolf-
Dr. Jon Way who often comments on this forum is the lead author of a paper about to appear entitled, “Genetic Characterization Of Eastern “Coyotes” In Eastern
Massachusetts.” He has allowed me to post a draft of this paper.

These relatively large canids are hybrids of western coyotes colonizing the area and eastern timber wolves, canis lycaon. None of animals’ DNA showed a mixture of coyote and domestic dog. So the term “coydog,” which is in common use, is not appropriate....

[UnrepentantLiberal]

54. Coyotes are different though.

They have actually EXPANDED their territory. They killed all the dumb ones and the ones that survived are smarter than hell. They call them super coyotes.

Love the Cape. My girlfriend has family in Orleans.

[MADem]

58. They do have a little Eastern wolf in 'em, apparently, though!

It was 'round by Orleans that I saw that behemoth! Like greased lightning, he was!

[UnrepentantLiberal]

60.

[MADem]

61. How did you do that?

I think you found a bug--no subject line text!!!

Impossible to open by clicking on it--I had to open the whole thread!!

[UnrepentantLiberal]

64. There was a thread about it.

You just hit the space bar in the subject line or the body and it works the same as typing a character.

[MADem]

65. Ah HA!! So it's a FEATURE, not a bug! nt

[UnrepentantLiberal]

66. I don't know.

Could be a hybrid.

[DirkGently]

7. Excellent!

[liberal N proud]

8. Cool

[ellie]

10. Very cool!

Go wolf!

[DJ13]

14. I think Maria may still divorce him

[YvonneCa]

17. SO glad I read to the end of this...

...thread. That's hilarious!

[Odin2005]

26. DUzy!!!

[msanthrope]

70. I second that! Duzy!! nt

[classof56]

18. I'm delighted to know OR-7's journey has been successful and harm-free so far.

There used to be Oregonians who would've liked to stop Californians at the border. OR-7 has turned the tables, so to speak. Be safe, Big Fella. Lots of predators of the two-legged kind who are out to get ya!

Central Oregon Fan of Wolves in the Wild

[Brother Buzz]

19. Do wolves eat coyotes?

[Vanje]

20. yes

[Brother Buzz]

22. If they eat feral pigs too...

I might just find him a mate then offer him a ride to my neck-of-the-woods.

[hunter]

57. Feral pigs and an overpopulation of deer can really mess up a garden...

... or a wilderness.

Welcome to California, Wolf.

[Major Hogwash]

24. Post of the day!!!

This makes me happier than hell.

Thank you bunches.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

27. Hey California take good care of our wolf! Port Orford, Oregon.

[i_sometimes]

49. Port Orford?

On DU? Guess I shouldn't be surprised...
Was down for a surf on Sunday, long drive from Coos Bay!

Hi!

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

72. Hi back to you!

We live 5 min.walk from Hubbard Creek Beach.
Came up from La Jolla about 6 years ago.
Surfed since the fifties.

[steve2470]

29. kick and rec ! nt

[Shankapotomus]

33. Is that good or bad?

Do we want wolves in California or do we not want wolves in California?

[UnrepentantLiberal]

48. Why would you not want wolves in California?

[Shankapotomus]

78. Okay

So we want wolves in California. They way the op sounded was like it was a big emergency that a wolf crossed into California I didn't know what it meant.

[pengillian101]

35. Seems wolves are doing well. Maybe too well in some areas.

With delisting of Gray wolf, Minnesota Legislature to consider hunting season.

By Nathan Bergstedt Grand Rapids Herald-Review | Posted: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:00 pm

The U.S Fish and Wildlife Service announced last week that it will publish the final delisting rule on Wednesday, Dec. 28, for the gray wolf in Minnesota and the Western Great Lakes region. The wolf will then be officially taken off the federal Endangered Species list 30 days after the published rule. The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (DNR) will then be responsible for wolf management in the state.

This will be the third time in the past decade that the gray wolf will have been delisted. Previous attempts were overturned after legal challenges to the delisting were brought forth, both times having to do with procedural technicalities. The gray wolf is considered a success story of the Endangered Species Act, with current populations more than double the goal set by the recovery plan. There are currently about 3,000 gray wolves in Minnesota: the largest population in the lower 48 states.



Gray wolf

'HUNTER MAY BECOME HUNTED - The Minnesota Legislature took action this summer to waive the five-year waiting period after delisting before a hunting season can be considered. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service will publish the final delisting rule today for the gray wolf in Minnesota. If a wolf season is approved, Minnesota would join Alaska, Idaho and Montana in the list of states where wolf hunting is legal. (Photo by MacNeil Lyons, National Park Service) ' http://www.grandrapidsmn.com/news/article_5b3dec30-30eb-11e1-9aea-001871e3ce6c.html

Here's another account:
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20111227/OSH0101/111227046/Wisconsin-looks-limit-hunting-since-gray-wolf-removed-from-endangered-species-list?odyssey=mod|defcon|text|FRONTPAGE

And another with video.
http://www.northlandsnewscenter.com/news/video/Gray-Wolf-Population-Recovery-Goal-is-Achieved-136333603.html

[Cleita]

37. How cool.

I used to love to listen to the wolf pack baying during the night when vacationing in Montana in a remote area that had wolves. I hope the authorities protect it and any mate he might bring with him. That part of California is very rural and the locals may not be wolf friendly.

[marasinghe]

38. now that's more like Christmas.

good for you, Jerry Brown.
(to forestall the intelligentsia - i realize he had nothing to do with this; but, i think a canine can smell the difference in mood, statewide.)

thanks for the news, X-S.

Happy New Year

[bigwillq]

39. Cool!

K and R

[postulater]

42. And I thought you were posting about Scott Walker.

He is there tonight for a fund raiser.

The guy who complains about outside influence.

[Kablooie]

43. Oh no! Grandma's house is in Redding! Just a few miles away.

[ellisonz]

44. woot

[Warren DeMontague]

45. I blame the pornification of society.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

46. That is too cool.

Great news.

[bemildred]

56. Lets find him a lady friend, we could have wolves in California. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

62. I'm scared

nt

[pinto]

69. Great report on one small gain for wolves' range.

[greendog]

73. Congratulations! Now you're just a few short years away from...

...a full blown wolf war circus.

In Montana wolves are the new terrorists. They have almost supernatural diabolical powers. When they finish eating all the deer and elk they'll start eating small children. They'll probably wash the kids down with your 24 pack of Budweiser. And they wont even say thank-you!

Good luck!

[DeathToTheOil]

77. There's a Bear in the Woods

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