Are conservatives nuts?

[ProSense]

Conservatives Claim Roberts Upheld Obamacare Because Of ‘Cognitive Problems’ Due To Epilepsy Medication
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/29/508761/conservatives-claim-roberts-upheld-obamacare-because-of-cognitive-problems-due-to-his-epilepsy-medicine/?tw_p=twt

Conservatives Find A Way To Blame Obama For Monster Colorado Wildfire
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/conservatives_blame_obama_colorado_wildfire_air_tanker.php

Oh my!

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Are liberals nuts?

This is not a game we should play.

[ProSense]

6. Wait

"Are liberals nuts? This is not a game we should play. "

...who the fuck is playing a "game"?

The claims being made in the article are straight out of Cuckooland.

If you want to defend the claims, feel free to do so, but please don't introduce bullshit false equivalencies and red herrings.

Oh, I forgot to answer my own question: Conservatives are fucking nuts.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. I am just pointing out

That people were outraged when a certain loud mouth wrote, "liberalism is a mental disease."

And yes, it is a game, not a healthy one.

[ProSense]

11. What the

That people were outraged when a certain loud mouth wrote, "liberalism is a mental disease."

And yes, it is a game, not a healthy one.

....hell does that have to do with the OP?

Some people were "outraged" by a silly comment unrelated to the OP?

No, it isn't a "game," but you're determined to introduce one, apparently.

Also, the question wasn't: Are conservatives the only nuts?

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. I just pointed out that yes

It is one, and a dangerous one. It is part and parcel of the creation of the enemy and dehumanizing the other side. You're good at it, but it is dangerous. Go quote me all day. I called you on it, and that's it. I find it disgusting regardless of who does it. So were you outraged about Wiener's little gem about liberalism being a mental disease? If you were, read the OP you just posted...

[ProSense]

15. Clearly,

"It is part and parcel of the creation of the enemy and dehumanizing the other side. You're good at it, but it is dangerous. Go quote me all day. I called you on it, and that's it. I find it disgusting regardless of who does it."

....you're determined to play by yourself.

Here's the deal: Your cheap psychology doesn't work. I don't care what you find "disgusting." Conservatives are nuts. Deal with it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Don't complaint then when they do it to you

And it is not cheap psychology...it is very well trodden terrain, or are you calling people like Lifton hacks?

Go on, little one, keep playing the game. When you collect that bitter harvest, don't cry.

[ProSense]

20. What?

"Don't complaint then when they do it to you"

Unlike you, I don't give a shit what conservatives say. They're nuts, remember?

I mean, please stop trying to project your sad for them onto others.

Maybe your time would be better spent among them explaining that you believe they're misunderstood and unfairly maligned. You could console them by telling them that you wish people wouldn't call them nuts.

IOW, you're wasting your time (and cheap psychology) on me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. You are accusing me of being a conservative?

My lord, thanks for the laugh...this is rip roaring funny.

You owe me a keyboard.

Your problem here is that I compared your antic's to Wiener's (I refuse to use his stage name) because they're the same.

Yup, Malkin's claim is not just wrong, and ignores a few facts, but it s not certifiably crazy. Don't worry, she thinks you're crazy too, and me...to her we are the enemy, who should be destroyed, killed, cleansed. This applies to Wiener's too. Their first step there was doing the same shit you are doing. It is well trodden and well known. Bitter harvest lays at the end...

But you called me a conservative for calling you on dehumanizing them, funny shit indeed, given that I am way to the left of POTUS or you blue dogs. I guess I hit that nail on the head, and you don't like it.

You, my friend, are funny.

Will you continue to get personal?

[ProSense]

27. No, but

"You are accusing me of being a conservative?"

...I would suggest that you reread what I wrote until you understand it.

Hint: Consoling a conservative (similar to insisting that others not criticize them) does mean that you are a conservative.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. You should write comedy

And you are getting even more personal

Hint: Asking is somebody is crazy IS dehumanizing. Very different from calling them on their lack of facts

[ProSense]

40. Hint

"Hint: Asking is somebody is crazy IS dehumanizing. Very different from calling them on their lack of facts"

...I don't care.

Conservatives are nuts.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. When Wiener does this again

Don't complaint..

And enjoy the winds, for you shall reap the whirlwind.

[ProSense]

46. Question:

"When Wiener does this again"

...who the hell is "Wiener"?

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Savage, wiener is his real name.

[ProSense]

54. Wait

"Savage, wiener is his real name."

...so you were using the nut who is responsible for the "epilepsy" charge in the OP to refute that conservatives are nuts?

Summary: Nut says something nutty, sparking outrage. Fast forward, and that same nut says something nutty. You claim it's a "dangerous game" to call a nut a nut.

Is it really a game when a nut is playing all by himself?

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. Liberalism is a mental disease

I remember the outrage. You play his game. Go on. You even think it's funny. Go on.

[ProSense]

57. Do you agree with the nut? n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. As much as I agree with you

None whatsoever...

Framing the other side as less than human is very dangerous, no matter what side does it.

I was outraged by him, and by you...the only saving grace is you do not have his platform, not even close.

Enjoy the wind, for you shall reap the whirlwind.

[Bake]

41. Please, ProSense, allow me to settle this for you.

Yes. They are nuts.

That was easy.



Bake

[ProSense]

45. .

[bupkus]

66. Are you serious?

Those nutty conservative bastards have this nation to the point where liberals are afraid to call themselves liberals, having sheepishly opted for the ridiculous term PROGRESSIVES as if they're selling car insurance, and you're worried about what conservatives might do if we point out the fact that they are indeed nuts?

Are you nuts too?

If I go to an asylum and a patient calls me nuts that doesn't make me nuts and I still recognize who the real nut is.

Likewise today's conservatives. They're living in an asylum of their own making screaming out the windows at everyone passing by calling them nuts. But everyone passing by still knows who the real nuts are. Those conservatives screaming "NUTS!" from the windows of their asylum.

[nadinbrzezinski]

68. Actually never mind

Enjoy the wind...

[Wait Wut]

33. ...

ohshit.



Game?








Set. Match.

[Enrique]

31. very relavant point to make

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Thanks

Wiener has gone further from there in his dehumanizing campaign by the way.

[AsahinaKimi]

76. Why did he have to pose with the

Golden Gate behind him.. HE really does not represent the BAY AREA.. never in a million years.

[Taverner]

2. Um, yes...

[polichick]

3. A number of studies have shown how fear-based they are...

So they tend to be irrational and paranoid, if not certifiably nuts.

[countingbluecars]

4. If not nuts,

desperate at least.

[elleng]

5. Yes

[HopeHoops]

8. Mine doesn't, but the oxycodone sure as shit does!!!

[Glorfindel]

9. Why, yes; yes, they are. And in other news, water is wet

and fire is hot.

[B Calm]

10. I was listening to a Chicago right wing radio

show host this morning bitching about Obama Care. He said he just bought some property in Canada and was thinking about moving.

Gee someone needs to inform him about Canada having single payer health care. I wonder if he knows same sex couples are allowed to be married in Canada.

Yes they are all NUTS!

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. A guy on my local right wing station called in and played Taps in the background

He said this was the end of America and June 28, 2012 will go down in history as a day as bad as 9/11/01.

[B Calm]

16. I usually don't laugh when I see someone crying,

but this is way too much. Hell I'm on the floor rolling in laughter. .

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. I was rofl listening to him

Even the host (a right winger) was holding back laughter.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Talking point since yesterday at usual places

The second is armed uprising.

I still will refrain from dehumanizing them.

[randome]

23. Good for you. I agree.

Sorry, ProSense, but picking a couple of quotes out of the blogosphere doesn't really tell us what 'conservatives' think.

[ProSense]

25. Really?

"Sorry, ProSense, but picking a couple of quotes out of the blogosphere doesn't really tell us what 'conservatives' think."

"A couple of quotes out of the blogosphere"?

On his radio show yesterday, right-wing host Michael Savage — who has previously called autism a “phony disease” — claimed that Roberts’ epilepsy is the root cause of his “cognitive dissociation” in the Obamacare ruling:

The criticism caught on in some circles. Wayne Laugesen, the conservative editorial page editor for the Colorado Springs Gazette, linked to Malkin’s post this week in his own piece titled “Obama shrunk aerial firefighting fleet.” A writer with PJ Media mentioned the Gazette opinion in a blog post under the headline “Colorado Burns. Are Obama’s Environmental and Defense Policies to Blame?”

I supposed the "armed uprising" (plucked out of the "blogosphere) in response to the SCOTUS ruling is a sign of sanity?

Hey, you don't have to agree, but I think they're nuts!

[randome]

42. A good many of them are nuts. We have fewer Progressive nuts.

The only thing Obama has demonstrated is this: you never, EVER descend into bickering or putting your enemy into a corner with labels. That is a sure-fire way to escalate the fight and to make it last longer.

He wins because he does not stoop to their level. He will win re-election as President because he is...Presidential.

Just a quibble over your choice of words, nothing more.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. yes

[KansDem]

17. Yes.

Next question...

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. Hey

Did you see this http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002876726

[KansDem]

44. Yes! I read it earlier...

We're in the 25th district (Rep. Barbara Goolsbee Bollier--R).

Although a Republican, she did vote "no" (only one of two Republicans to do so) on the bill to make it illegal for union dues to go to political campaigns:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread666927/pg1

And this, in the wake of "Citizens United"...

Congratulations on the work of your Rep. Slattery! Someone has to tell the Governor!

[proud2BlibKansan]

52. Bollier is not bad

I'm in her district now since the new lines were drawn. It's the 31st now.

[Avalux]

26. Not nuts. Amoral, greedy assholes who will lie without care to get what they want. n/t

[Ghost of Huey Long]

70. there is that too

Is it possible these 'people' were just never disciplined as children?

They act like three year olds who were never taught proper manners or morals.

[Avalux]

77. They were probably disciplined in the wrong ways for the wrong reasons....

and never taught the golden rule....

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

That's what's missing with them; they just don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves.

[Rambis]

28. Yes (nm)

[coalition_unwilling]

29. I'm not sure 'conservative' describes them correctly, although

they may label themselves by that name.

I want to say 'reactionaries' is more appropriate, since they seem to seek a return to some imagined 'Golden Age' when {insert any non-white, non male demographic group here} knew their place.

That said, their thinking (if one can call it that) borders on delusional or even crosses the line into delusional territory. Makes me wonder how sober-minded individuals like Colin Powell and Chuck Hegel can still remain in the Republican Party.

[Ghost of Huey Long]

72. 'reactionaries' yes, good term

But what is it called when they just start making shit up to react to?

[riverbendviewgal]

30. My boyfriend is a firefighter

I read him the article and he laughed when I came to the "CNN drops". He is being converted now from his conservative views slowly but surely...He even watches Rachel Maddow now..and is liking he wit and how she presents things.

I sure hope the fires are contained...We had our scare up here in Northern Ontario a few weeks ago...It is pretty scary.

[NRaleighLiberal]

32. Some are afraid, some are manipulated, some are willfully ignorant. no single root cause/issue.

[GoCubsGo]

47. And, many are "all of the above".

Actually, the vast majority of them are afraid. That's what makes them conservatives. They are afraid of any sort of change, and they fear anything or anyone that is different than what they know in their own narrow, sheltered lives. That fear makes it easy to manipulate them, and it also makes it easier for them to ignore the facts that disprove their beliefs.

[NRaleighLiberal]

48. Bingo. That is what I feel as well. That change thing - they just can't do it.

[randome]

55. I think fear drives them, too.

Fear of the modern world and their shrinking relevance in it. Fear of death, which causes a corresponding grasping for religious life rafts. Fear that the world is leaving them behind.

[Ghost of Huey Long]

73. I know it isn't rational but, if they fear death and believe in God...

Shouldn't their behavior be...the exact opposite of what they are doing?

If I were them, I'd be handing out the money I have been hoarding to the poor people who need it ASAP, desperately trying to make up for the fact I have been a selfish greedy bastard my whole life, knowing that when it comes down to it, you can't fool God. Do they think they are going to buy God off?

[randome]

75. The 'fear of death' I'm referring to is the growing realization that...

...their religion may be wrong. The more educated the world's populace becomes, the more secular. How long can organized religion hold sway when we have gone 4,000 years without a Second Coming? 6,000 years. 10,000 years.

[Ghost of Huey Long]

78. yes, I get the impression they don't believe their own religion

or else they wouldn't act like that.

[Ghost of Huey Long]

53. but all are propagandized- I think we all know who is really responsible for this

The corporate media. Republicans are morally weak, self serving and easily led...which is why the corporations prey on them for support.

[NRaleighLiberal]

63. as most of us know - ads work on people - and non stop propaganda works all too well.

[Ghost of Huey Long]

67. ads? Heck, it's the entire broadcast on every network!

n/t

[bemildred]

34. We're all nuts, some of us are more nuts than others. nt

[RegieRocker]

61. No truer words posted in this thread

[Initech]

35. Not just nuts - certifiably bat shit insane is more like it.

[GoneOffShore]

36. Not nuts, but venal, cynical and dishonest.

[gordianot]

37. I prefer increasingly irrational it seems to be getting worse.

Fox news has much to do with the current state of affairs.

[Ghost of Huey Long]

51. the media is fueling their arrogance, empowering the stupid to embrace their mental state

This is why I have come to the conclusion that taking back our media is the only way to save our Country.


I have often wondered why logic didn't work on them, thought if they just knew the truth they too would be angry.

But now it seems they have been in denial so long, carefully schooled by the corporate media in their ignorance, their egos will not allow them to see how far they have fallen. that they have been following the lead of sadistic sociopaths. It is impossible to have a discussion, because they have no facts but feel they do, no grasp on the issues but when confronted just yell loudly.

A Democracy cannot exist without a free press just as a conversation cannot exist without respect for differing views. We need to have a national conversation that discusses what the real issue is:

It is not the difficulty of the problem which we have; it is the fact that the rich people of this country—and by rich people I mean the super-rich—will not allow us to solve the problems, or rather the one little problem that is afflicting this country, because in order to cure all of our woes it is necessary to scale down the big fortunes, that we may scatter the wealth to be shared by all of the people.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

50. Well, what's that saying about repeating the same action and expecting a different result?

Impoverished right wingers who keep voting for tax-cutting and regulation-cutting trickle downers and expecting their lives to improve?

[sinkingfeeling]

58. Did you really need to ask?

[stranger81]

59. Stupid or mean. Mean or stupid.

That generally explains why most repugs I know are repugs.

I can think of a couple of rare exceptions in my own experience -- few enough to count on one hand.

Nuts? I'd chalk most of that up to stupid.

[hobbit709]

62. Next rhetorical question?

[hack89]

64. Both sides have their fair share. nt

[Motown_Johnny]

65. Yes, I would argue that it fits the definition of dementia

We have scientific evidence that conservatives react more strongly to stimuli that elicit a fear response. We also have scientific evidence that Conservatives tend to believe false reports even when they are proven to be false. To me this fits the definition of a mild form of dementia.


http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/... /


^snip^

Deep-seated political differences aren’t simply moral and intellectual: They’re also biological.

In reflex tests of 46 political partisans, psychologists found that conservatives were more likely than liberals to be shocked by sudden threats.

Accompanying the physiological differences were deep differences on hot-button political issues: military expansion, the Iraq war, gun control, capital punishment, the Patriot act, warrantless searches, foreign aid, abortion rights, gay marriage, premarital sex and pornography.

"People are experiencing the world, experiencing threat, differently," said University of Nebraska political scientist John Hibbing. "We have very different physiological orientations."



http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2008/09/why...


^snip^


Why the Facts Don't Matter in Politics
Posted on: September 15, 2008 2:54 PM, by Jonah Lehrer

I think this experiment helps explains a rather disturbing amount of our political discourse. What it neatly demonstrates is that the main reason so many campaigns traffic in dishonest allegations and pseudofacts is that, when it comes to voters, the facts don't really matter. Most of us are just partisan hacks:

Political scientists Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler provided two groups of volunteers with the Bush administration's prewar claims that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. One group was given a refutation -- the comprehensive 2004 Duelfer report that concluded that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction before the United States invaded in 2003. Thirty-four percent of conservatives told only about the Bush administration's claims thought Iraq had hidden or destroyed its weapons before the U.S. invasion, but 64 percent of conservatives who heard both claim and refutation thought that Iraq really did have the weapons. The refutation, in other words, made the misinformation worse.
A similar "backfire effect" also influenced conservatives told about Bush administration assertions that tax cuts increase federal revenue. One group was offered a refutation by prominent economists that included current and former Bush administration officials. About 35 percent of conservatives told about the Bush claim believed it; 67 percent of those provided with both assertion and refutation believed that tax cuts increase revenue.





http://www.medicinenet.com/dementia/articl...

^snip^


Dementia Facts Medically Edited by: Charles P. Davis, MD, PhD

Dementia is a term that describes a collection of symptoms that include decreased intellectual functioning that interferes with normal life functions and is usually used to describe people who have two or more major life functions impaired or lost such as memory, language, perception, judgment or reasoning; they may lose emotional and behavioral control, develop personality changes and have problem solving abilities reduced or lost.


There are different classification schemes for dementias roughly based (and with overlap) on observed problems; some frequently used are cortical (memory, language, thinking, social) , subcortical (emotions, movement, memory), progressive (cognitive abilities worsen over time), primary (results from a specific disease such as Alzheimer's disease and secondary (occurs because of disease or injury).

[Ghost of Huey Long]

74. Can we just have them institutionalized? Millions are suffering because of their psychosis

It is really insane of us, when you think about it, to allow these sociopaths to make the world miserable for everyone just because of their issues.

Why are we enabling the most demented, evil, greedy among us to run our government and pretend they represent us?

[sabrina 1]

69. I wouldn't say that every Conservative is nuts. But what they do is to hire certifiable

nuts to their upfront work for them. People like:

Hannity ~ he has a serious problem with anyone pointing out facts to him, and will even walk off a show when his idealogy is challenged. There is something very wrong with someone who cannot bear to have his world view proven wrong with indisputable facts. He descends to the level of a spoiled two year old throwing a temper tantrum. Don't know if there is a name for his condition, but it's not exactly normal.

Savage/Weiner ~ Anyone who has listened to him for more than five minutes, if they cared about him, would try to get him some help, although that may have been tried already.

Limbaugh ~ Drug addict, liar, used to be somewhat amusing, but now is just so far gone, I guess whatever the diagnosis is, it has be degenerative.

Fox/Murdoch ~ An entire network, with few exceptions who actually believe that there is no obligation for a news organization to tell the truth. Pathological seems to fit.

Breitbart & Co ~ Off the wall without a semblance of integrity or sanity, ranting, raving, lying, bigots. I'm sure there is a name for whatever ails them also.

O'Keefe ~ A perfect stooge for the far right, willing to do anything for money and 'fame' or 'infamy'. Definitely exhibits signs of serious personality disorder.

In fact it's hard to find one of their spokespersons who doesn't exhibit serious signs of some kind of psychological disorder.

Those behind the scenes seek out these kind of people. They put them out front, use them to rouse up the masses, while they remain in the background, anonymous. To hire sane people would not achieve their goals, sane people would question what they were doing. But the MO of almost all members of the Rightwing Noise Machine is to create and hate 'the other' and to be willing to spread it around and to fuel irrational anger by instilling fear in those listening.

I doubt those pulling the strings believe much of what their stooges spew over the airwaves, but it works for them. And assuming they are not insane themselves, that makes them even worse imho.

The whole 'movement' is insane but there are many ordinary people who are not, but who do have certain fears that are exploited by the propaganda machine.

[treestar]

71. Michelle Malkin on that fire is just plain certifiable

And hypocritical. Proving again that conservatives have no principles. They are against government spending unless they are for it. They are for war until they are against it. They are blindly partisan is their only guiding principle.