Trump's exit plan - will it be suicide or resignation?

[Doodley]

Everything he has done has failed. He cannot trust anyone. Even Steve Bannon's Breitbart is attacking him. He is in freefall over healthcare, and Repugs will never agree on that. He knows he faces humiliation over his wiretapping claims. Those so-called judges keep blocking his travel ban. The Russia problem won't go away.
The cruel and unfair media keep digging. Now there are lawmakers on the case. He is slumping even further in the polls. Turnout at his rallies isn't like the old days. The rest of the world are laughing at him.

No human being, not even Trump, can sustain this pressure. The pressure is building. Each weekend he leaves his job in a worse state than the weekend before. He is in over his head, surrounded by people who want to get rid of him. Something has to give. There is no way this can continue for much longer, and he knows it, but how will it end?

[smirkymonkey]

2. He's not known for keeping his cool under pressure.

I think it's just a matter of time before he does something destructive. Let's just hope he doesn't take us all down with him when he goes.

[tblue37]

3. Stroke. nt

[Stinky The Clown]

4. Your post made me smile. More broadly the further I read it.

I hope he SUFFERS.

I hope he's unbearably MISERABLE.

I hope he makes Nixon's talking to paintings seem tame.

[truebluegreen]

15. The greatest suffering the world could inflict on Trump

is going broke, for all the world to see. Leaving office in disgrace would help.

[SammyWinstonJack]

42. That would please me immensely. That and LOCK HIM UP!

[akbacchus_BC]

5. I hope he resigns, the asshole has no idea how to govern.

He is a clown incarnate and even a clown this prick cannot emulate. Who elected this fucker? I hope when they lose their medicare they will be sorry! How on earth people voted for this shitstain?

[Charles Bukowski]

32. Questions that scholars will be debating until the end of time.

Questions like "How in the blue fuck did this simpleton get elected?!!! Jesus Christ on a bike!!

[Mendocino]

6. No matter how someone

thinks, exists or lives with themselves is a reason for suggesting that they should end it all. I dealt with a very close family member who attempted suicide, and it is no matter do be bandied around so flippantly.

[Jonny Appleseed]

10. Not everybody views life and death the same as you

Just gotta deal w it

[Mendocino]

12. Have you ever dealt with suicide

?

[murielm99]

19. We are close friends with a family

who had to deal with this. It has been eleven years, but there is still a hole in their lives. They will never be the same.

We have done what we can to help. My adult children have done the most. But nothing fills that void.

One other thing about this family: they help others. When my son-in-law died so suddenly, they were the first ones there for all of us.

We live in a small town. There is an informal network here of parents who have lost children to accidents, suicides, SIDS, you name it. They support each other.

Suicide is a terrible thing.

[Jonny Appleseed]

22. Yeah

Even if i didn't who cares? Every person is entitled to weigh the concept of human mortality however they see fit. You can believe a human life is a sacred entity, or you can believe it's just bioelectric charges releasing a bunch of neurochemicals on a hunk of carbon that's tethered to a giant rock that that's in orbit around one of trillions of (objectively) tiny balls of gas.

So in synopsis, wanting Donny-boy to champion a tournament of 1-player Russian Roulette is a perfectly acceptable sentiment and you don't need to guilt people into thinking otherwise.

[whathehell]

67. Sorry, but I'm guessing many here don't think it's "perfectly acceptable'

Some would say that your "neurochemical on a hunk of carbon" view of human beings is more allied with a fascistic philosophy than a progressive humanistic one, so yeah, I'd say there
just might be a need to guilt them or to at least, keep them out of powers.

[whathehell]

55. Agreed.....I hope I never hate anyone that much

I find it ugly and dehumanizing.

Richard Nixon once said that you have to respect someone in order to hate them...I have no respect for Trump, but I do recognize him as a (seriously flawed) human being...I wish him no particular harm. I just want him gone.

[FSogol]

60. Same here. n/t

[True Dough]

71. I'm with you, whatthehell

Ugly and dehumanizing indeed. We just need him out of office, as you said.

[whathehell]

72. Thanks, True Dough

I appreciate you're saying so.

[True Dough]

73. I am genuinely disturbed

by the level of vitriol that I read from some member of this forum on occasion. There's plenty of room for political and ideological opposition, but to wish others dead or to suffer severely in a physical sense, well, I'm not going there.

[whathehell]

75. Yes, so am I

although I sometimes think it's little more than bid for attention.

[defacto7]

7. He won't off himself...

His personality type doesn't do that. The compulsive liar, those with narcissistic-disorder are never wrong right to the last; they don't change. If he went to prison he'd be yelling how he was set up and that he has always been right. I wouldn't doubt that somone would take him out though. There's a lot of that. Once "they" are done with him, he's gone one way or another.

[treestar]

47. I agree; and neither would he resign

He has been lucky all his life. He lives in his alternate reality. No matter how bad we think it is, he thinks he is winning.

[Dave Starsky]

62. The ONLY thing we can hope for is that he will tire of it...

and quit of his own accord. The best we can do as Americans is make sure that day gets here for him as quickly as possible.

Even Godzilla finally got tired of stomping on Tokyo and marched back into the sea.

[dchill]

8. Defection to Russia.

[Tatiana]

9. Putin might not allow him to do either (of his own volition).

My vote is for "suicide."

He'll never willingly resign. He has too much arrogance for that.

[Lisa0825]

11. Perhaps a CIA hit made to look like suicide. nt

[world wide wally]

18. Or even a Russian hit

[Initech]

13. I'd say neither. A coronary is most likely in his future.

Considering his weight and his "diet" - neither are good for a man of his age. It's a toxic storm waiting to happen.

[regnaD kciN]

38. FSB assisted?

I mean, should the revelation of his ties to Moscow turn him from an asset to a liability.

But he certainly won't kill himself. Not his personality type.

I'm more worried that, if backed into a corner, he'll respond by declaring martial law.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

14. Neither. He will leave under great protest only.

Keep in mind that Richard Nixon, a man vastly more stable and in touch with reality than Donald Trump could hope to be, didn't leave office until it was glaringly obvious he needed to.

Trump inhabits a fantasy world. He is completely surrounded by buffers to reality. This has been his life forever. He hasn't a clue what reality is. He has no actual connection to reality.

To suggest suicide is genuinely offensive. While I'm not a fan of Donald Trump, to suggest this is beyond the pale.

Nor will he resign voluntarily, as Nixon did. Nixon at least had a history in electoral politics, and was finally able to comprehend that his position was not sustainable. Donald is completely removed from the real world. His entire life he's been surrounded by sycophants who've told him over and over that he's just fine, perfect, the right man for the job. He's never been told no, which is why various courts ruling against him on Muslim bans is so perplexing to him No? What's that?

If and only if there is a massive uprising against him, or actual court proceedings against him will he resign. But I wouldn't bet on it.

[gopiscrap]

16. hope it's the first, save the taxpayers some cash

[jesskirablue42]

17. jesskirablue42

It would be the utmost in fitting justice for me to see HIM locked up. After all the slander and lies and ramping up of the mob into a frenzy with cries of "lock her up"..to get HIM locked up would be poetic. I'm down for a life in prison once it's proved what a traitor he is.

but yeah, suicide is not really anything to wish on anyone, I'm in agreement with that.

[Historic NY]

20. He's a fucking coward...........

period.

[ashling]

21. He's operated his businesses for years like the pirate he is

let him walk the plank!

[MFM008]

23. anything that gets him out

is good for me.

[SammyWinstonJack]

43. Yeah, me too, but public humiliation and broke would be great.

Oh and throw his grifting, lying, traitor ass in prison. Even better!

[madokie]

24. tRump is one sharp cookie

he's like a rat turd, pointed on both ends

Sara palin's word salad ain't got shit on tRump is all I know for sure

[vlyons]

25. The most "graceful" and "face-saving" way out for him

from his perspective is to resign for "health reasons." Things are't going to get better for him, because he is his own worst enemy. He can't stop shooting his big mouth off with inappropriate lying bullshit, because that's a lifetime habit that he cannot break. He is surrounded by grifters and sycophants, who tell him what he wants to hear. But eventually, resigning will be as easy as pulling the plug on a failed casino and putting it into bankruptcy.

If he has to lie and pretend that he had a heart attack or some other health problem, so be it. I don't think this will happen soon. He will hang on as long as possible. It won't be suicide, because he's coward, and can't let go of all his money and property so easily.

I don't think he will there for 4 years. Since he can't change, and he will keep doing and saying stupidities, his poll numbers will go lower and lower and lower. The American people, yes even many who voted for him, will be glad to see him go. We will be glad because we know how dangerous he is. His base will be glad because they backed such an unpopular loser.

[Liberty Belle]

28. He would view a health issues as admitting weakness.

If he resigned, he would be more apt to say he's needed by his business empire or maybe that he's stepping out to avoid conflicts of interest and has great confidence in Pence to run the country.

In one sense though Pence could be worse.

Because Trump is a narcissist he wants to be popular. He knows the GOP health plan is so bad, if he signed it everyone would hate him. one thing he does have is backbone--he's a fighter, and could choose to fight the Republicans in Congress and insist they either come up with a better plan, or he won't sign anything - no repeal of Obamacare.

That's better than Pence who would probably sign whatever the worst extremists want.

If Trump stays in, we're more apt to see investigations get going eventually, or even an independent prosecutor who could dig up enough dirt to take out some cabinet officials or even members of Congress if they were complicit in sabotage by the Russians.

We'd have to get very far down the line of secession to have any hope of real improvement.

[vlyons]

33. Being stubborn is not the same as having a backbone

He will only go if he sees impeachment as imminent. So we have a long way to go before we get there, if at all. Yes he might resign for business reasons, but that would be admitting that he had business conflicts of interest all along. We will just have to deal with Pence when we get there, if at all.

I think the whole Republican party is in deep doo-doo come the next election.

[not fooled]

40. His Waterloo

might well be the disastrous dump/ryancare bill. He previously thought his threats to campaign against pukes who opposed him would enable him to force this turkey through.

Now that it's becoming clear he can't con or lie his way out of this disaster, he loses a lot of power.

[Hekate]

26. DTs is his very own Precious; he's such a narcissist that he could never self-harm....

He will have to be forced out in some fashion.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

27. if he's impeached, he'll sue for hundreds of millions.

It's like a tic. A knee-jerkreaction.

[Skittles]

29. neither

he will be toast the minute the Greedy Old Pig party decides he is no longer providing enough cover for their dirty work

[Thekaspervote]

30. Oh I think given being impeached or resigning.. he will resign

As far as wishing for his demise, I understand anyone saying that. He has raped, pillaged, harmed in more ways than one can count

[vlyons]

34. I don't wish him ill.

I don't wish ill for anyone. But I can foresee that his karma will unfold in most unpleasant ways for him. He has brought disgrace and misfortune upon himself. I will be happy when once again we have an honest and honorable person in the WH.

[Dave Starsky]

31. The great tragedy of Trump is that he could have avoided all of this...

Just by not being a YYUUUGE fucking asshole. Is it really so hard for him? He seems like he's in a competition with himself every day to be the most evil bastard he can possibly be.

[PJMcK]

53. Donald Trump has always been this way

Those of us who live in NYC have had to watch this cretin for decades. His lies, braggadocio and bullshit never cease. Importantly, he's always wrong. Failure surrounds everything he does for everyone except Trump and his lawyers. In fact, everything he's ever done sucks.

How anyone could look at him and think he's a success just demonstrates how shallow and uncritical far too many Americans have become. I saw a meme in someone else's post that said, "Donald Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man; he's a stupid person's idea of a smart man; and he's weak person's idea of a strong man." That says it all.

[Dave Starsky]

56. That is a perfect description.

Funny that a dude who spends so much time obsessing over being worshiped and adored spends almost every waking minute ensuring that people hate him.

[Cat in the Corner]

35. Not suicide

Sorry, suicide is too good for him. I want him to live while his entire empire collapses around him until he winds up, Howard Hughes-like, holed up in Trump Tower, enduring the scorn and ridicule of the entire world. I want his entire ego to collapse into itself until he is rendered down to nothing more than the miserable, loathsome, vile creature that is the essence of his personality that he must live with for the rest of his pathetic life.

[Rollo]

36. Ether would suffice...

Although one of the options would no longer inflict his presence upon the planet.

[Dolt45]

37. Whatever happens

Don't feel sorry for him. He has a debt load of karma coming for him.

[sunonmars]

39. He will blame everyone but himself, he's the sort of guy who will scorch the earth because he got

left out of the team....in other words, pure psychopath.

He'll take everyone down with him, thats my take.

[caroldansen]

41. If the FBI has something on him regarding Russia they would have to impeach him.

[milestogo]

44. Perp Walk in handcuffs and shackles

[burnbaby]

45. I predict a terrorist attack

and then the country will hail tRump..

or a war, but some big distraction

[Saboburns]

46. Me too

I been saying exactly this. And I think its gonna be a lot sooner than later. All hes got to do is kill a few, or bunch, of Muslims.

Killing Muslims does wonders for American Presidential approval numbers.

[burnbaby]

51. Not sure if this is true

as it was on my facebook, but there may have been an attack in Paris. Watch how he plays this should it be true

[Vinca]

48. Frog march in orange jumpsuit.

[nikibatts]

49. Instead of handcuffs, I believe they will come for 45 with a straight jacket. He is insane!

[global1]

50. The Humane Thing To Do Is Have Him Committed.....

his family should intervene here for their sake, his sake and for the sake of the country.

One caveat here is that we have to make sure that the Repug Party is tied to him so they are taken down with him. They were enablers from the start. They should have never let him run. They should have vetted him out. Demanded a medical report on his physical and mental state. Demanded he release his taxes.

Laws need to be changed to prevent something like a Trump never happening again.

Since the start this had been a stain on our democracy.

[KingCharlemagne]

52. 62 million Americans proudly voted for him. He defeated all challengers in his

primary. What law or laws would or could you change to prevent this entirely predictble consequence of capitalism and one of the capitalist parties from occurring?

[global1]

54. Vetting Of The Persons Physical And Mental Stability....

to prevent them from even getting so far as to be eligible to run. Also - all candidates must present their tax returns for a set number of years before their attempted run. Basically have some qualifiers set in place to prevent in the future what we are witnessing today.

[whathehell]

57. Candidates definitely need to be screened for mental fitness for the job..

A screening procedure would have saved us from this catastrophe.

[KingCharlemagne]

68. Well, on a practical level, you are advocating for a constitutional

amendment, since the constitution outlines the requirements for the position: minimum 35 years of age and native-born citizen.

[malaise]

58. I'd like to see him jump from the Tower

live on TV. I hope millions will pack the streets with signs like this - and scream "You're Fired" seconds before he takes the plunge.

[Foamfollower]

59. Resignation.

He is too much in love with himself to ever take his own life.

[DrDan]

61. alzheimers/dementia

[Orrex]

63. He'll be destroyed by a catastrophic explosion of narcissism.

[scheming daemons]

64. Mike Pence will be sworn in as President before Christmas 2017.

[L. Coyote]

65. Political asylum in Russia.

He'll sneak out in his giant jet, and he already has a billion stashed in tax havens .....

[anneboleyn]

66. He's a RABID narcissist. I can only imagine him lashing out wildly and trying to destroy everything

he can if he was forced to resign -- he will claim that the press, the FBI and CIA, evil democrats, bad republicans, Obama, etc all conspired to destroy him. He seems to me like a person COMPLETELY incapable of introspection or any self-critical thoughts (how many times has some reporter asked him if x y or z was a mistake or does he regret anything he has done and he just stares and says "no?&quot

[randome]

69. I've posted before that I hope some Republicans suffer for the rest of their lives.

But then I saw the Black Mirror White Christmas Special and I realized how easy it is to fall prey to casual vindictiveness. Even though I'm powerless to inflict suffering on anyone, it made me realize how toxic it is to keep such thoughts in place.

So...no, I hope he is ousted and greatly embarrassed. I'd be satisfied with that much.
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[Mad-in-Mo]

70. Resignation or Impeachment --- I don't care. But humiliated, broke, and in debt

would be perfect. Then he can either pull his lower lip over his head and swallow, or be sent to Siberia for the rest of his miserable life.

I worry about all the national security knowledge he may have now..... how do they remove that from his brain?

[TNLib]

74. Neither it will be impeachment or will be stuck with him

He's in too deep with the Russians to quit and he doesn't seem like the suicide type.

[Binkie The Clown]

76. Chased out of town by peasants with pitchforks. n/t

[asuhornets]

77. I'm betting on Forced resignation...n/t

[CrispyQ]

78. I'd like to see him in an orange jumpsuit. Without styling gel.

Okay, maybe I don't want to see that last one.