Andrea. Mitchell just said on MSNBC

[Zoonart]

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That she hears that there are Whitehouse staff people purging their phones of tweets and messages because they are afraid that they will be subpoenaed.

12:55 on MSNBC- "From single source...former transition team members purging .." I wanted to be precise. Just went back and rewatched this.

[VMA131Marine]

1. Which, in and of itself, is a crime!

[Zoonart]

2. Sounds like panic is setting in.

[leftynyc]

43. No - I don't think so

This was during transition. I don't think the records law comes into play until he's actually in office.

[tblue37]

57. Obstruction of justice, destroying evidence--those laws don't wait for him to become president. nt

[leftynyc]

72. There isn't a criminal case on

the table yet and if they haven't been told to turn over the records, they can do whatever the fuck they want with them (during the transition)

[tblue37]

78. The investigative committee told them to preserve everything. nt

[BillyBobBrilliant]

90. They only 'asked' them

to preserve their social media entries...And you know how well 'asking' a three year old not to do something works.

[pnwmom]

60. I don't think it is legal to purge because you think you are under investigation.

Wouldn't that be obstruction?

[TheBlackAdder]

64. It's not the crime that's going to nail a lot of these people--it's the coverup!

[unblock]

82. it's only criminal obstruction if you're informed there is an investigation.

otherwise anyone who disposes of anything risks prison if there just happens to be an investigation going on that they didn't know about.

in short, you can't be found to "obstruct" an investigation that, as far as you know, doesn't even exist.


in this case, they may have been informed -- or it may be enough that they should have known.

it may also be a crime if the documents are covered by various records laws, though i'm not sure that applies to the transition.

[C_U_L8R]

3. Do they think hitting delete actually erases anything?

They may be even bigger idiots than we suspected,

[Zoonart]

8. Is there any remaining doubt?

[Bengus81]

15. LOL....yeah like deleting a file on a hardrive means it's gone forever.....

Let em thinking that way..............

[itcfish]

35. I was thinking that

I heard You can never really erase anything

[padfun]

69. If it is on a hard drive, you can delete (wipe)

If it is on a server that is backed up, there will be copies out there somewhere.

[woodsprite]

70. Once the "tweet" is out of the bag.....

Same with email. It has a half-life. It may take awhile to find it all, but most likely you'll be able to piece it together at some time if you're really looking.

[enid602]

79. karl

Karl Rove did a pretty good job of deleting 20 million Executive Branch emails in 2007.

[usedtobedemgurl]

88. No! Don't you remeber the rumor mill about HRC?

She took a hammer to her stuff. I can only assume that is what they talked about doing if they ever got this close to being caught. Whatever they accuse the other side of they usually do themselves.

[SunSeeker]

38. Exactly. It just flags what that person found incriminating. nt

[Fast Walker 52]

42. the big quesiton is whether Trump was really dumb enough to leave electronic data that implicates

him in collusion. I'm betting he was in on it, because he's just that way.

[Mars and Minerva]

48. I think they will just nail everyone around him and then SQUEEZE!!!

Squeeze them until the POP!

[mobeau69]

51. Yep, the correct squeezing protocol is from the bottom up.

Just like toothpaste!

[colorado_ufo]

71. No -that is what Ivanka is for.

Remember his preference for use of a courier for critical information?

She is his Uber for information (e.g. vacation in Croatia with Putin's girlfriend, ALONE, leaving her new baby at home). It's just a lot more convenient and safe to give her an office in the West Wing.

[Fast Walker 52]

74. hmm, true...

if there's ONE THING he probably knows, is how to evade the legal system.

[SmartRat]

85. Which begs the question...

Who else is on a skiing vacation in Aspen right now?

[colorado_ufo]

92. It is supposed to be a "large" family gathering

necessitating over 100 security people.

I live about 90 minutes from there. Perhaps I should check it out . . .

(Just kidding!)

[Bucky]

84. I dunno. He seems łike the type to have a lot of messy details handled by underlings

Someone who twitters that much doesn't have the skill or discipline of the micromanager

[Fast Walker 52]

91. as long as he had knowledge of collusion, he is toast

he didn't need to micro-manage

[MelissaB]

4. Wow! K&R

[LOL Lib]

5. Good! That tells me they are scared.

Scared and dumb because the tweets can be recovered from Twitter I would think.

[crazylikafox]

6. Yup. They're burning the evidence. And Repubs just shut down the investigation.

We must be getting close, boys & girls.

[GulfCoast66]

17. In the house

The Senate has always been where the action will take place.

[dixiegrrrrl]

23. And Repubs just shut down the investigation.????????

I musta missed something......can you elaborate for me pls?

[crazylikafox]

24. Nunes held a press conference & announced that the Public hearings next Tuesday are cancelled.

There was still a big list of people scheduled to testify.

But he is letting Manafort volunteer to come & talk to the committee in a closed hearing.

[dixiegrrrrl]

68. Manafort is under investigation by Treasury and FBI

I just sent message to my Rep. Terri Sewell, Dem from Selma.

Man.....this is stunning event.

[mopinko]

25. nunes unilaterally cancelled today's open session.

that and the fact that he blew any shred of credibility the committee had w his turkey trot to the wh.

[crazylikafox]

27. more info:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141737304

[dalton99a]

7. It's always about the cover-up...

[mainstreetonce]

9. Someone should remind them

of all the accusations they lobbed at Hillary.

[Tatiana]

10. Wow these people are stupid.

Like the FBI hasn't been monitoring their tweets and doesn't already have the messages?

[TeapotInATempest]

11. They can "purge" them all they want

The messages are still stored on the servers.

[wordpix]

18. if you're in DC, get your scopes & watch what's happening on WH lawns

a lot of smashing of hard drives, I imagine

[underthematrix]

12. Isn't that illegal?

Federal Records Act and Presidential Records Act

[LiberalFighter]

32. Agree

[SunSeeker]

40. Of course. But so is treason, and treason carries the death penalty.

The Records Act doesn't.

[leftynyc]

44. They're talking about during transition

so it wouldn't be illegal. AFTER the transition and they're screwed.

[meadowlander]

50. I think it's still illegal to destroy evidence though,

regardless of the Records Act.

[tblue37]

59. Plus the Trumpsters were ordered by the investigative committee to preserve everything. nt

[DeminPennswoods]

67. Not just by the cmte, but by their own WH counsel

nt

[WePurrsevere]

13. Yeah, good luck with that. Deleting...

doesn't always totally delete.

Electronic data can almost always be recovered even off cell phones if you have the proper 'tools', knowledge and personnel. I'm pretty sure the IC have all that.

Plus it's a crime to destroy evidence. Best bet is to become a whistleblower and get protection in exchange for helping.

Mind you if they're innocent why bother doing all that? Only the guilty would bother.

[Volaris]

54. Nods head sagely

So sayeth Dick Cheney

[WePurrsevere]

58. Turn about is fair play after all...

Unless you're referring to me by that war criminals name... ??

[Volaris]

63. Not at all.

You're right on the money. Dick wants us to think if you have nothing to hide=nothing to fear. I disagree. But if that's gonna be the StatusQuo, then by god I wanna use it to take down some REAL damned traitors. Too bad that they just happen to all be republicans and theyll cry and have sadz that what's good for the goose is going to be good for the gander.

[WePurrsevere]

80. Ahh.. Okay...

We agree than. I have sort of an odd sense of humor that doesn't always translate to the written word so I wanted to be sure I wasn't being misunderstood.

I'm just so darn tired of hearing that nonsense, mostly from Republicans, that I couldn't resist throwing it back at them.

[The Blue Flower]

14. Now the FBI can add obstruction to their crimes

The entire party is now complicit in treason.

[GoCubsGo]

16. I guess they don't understand that that stuff never really goes away?

Or, that the DOJ likely already has copies of all of it? Morons.

[Baitball Blogger]

22. Don't you have to back it up to the cloud for it to remain permanent?

[GoCubsGo]

41. I think anything that is tweeted still remains on Twitter's servers.

If the FBI wants it, they'll get it, whether or not the original sender erases it.

[Baitball Blogger]

19. This is a criminal act, no?

[sarcasmo]

20. The FBI will just pull the phone records. Amazing how many people have no clue.

[Chiyo-chichi]

21. Acid wash and bleach, anyone?

Trump, Sept. 6, North Carolina: "But why do you acid wash, or bleach, the emails? Nobody even heard of it before. Very expensive. Just ask yourself."

[Thrill]

26. You can run but you can't hide

[meow2u3]

28. Twitter and the cell phone providers keep backups AFAIK

So it doesn't matter whether the White House staffers purge their phones or not. The truth will come out, at least on Twitter.

[TwistedTinkerbelle]

29. My my....And to think the Senate GOP just stripped their right to internet privacy.

So no hiding behind laws to protect their information on the internet. Ain't that some kind of special. Love it when it when their hatefulness comes back to bite 'em in the ass.

[Tanuki]

30. Rosemary Woods shows 'em how it's done:

As they say, the second time is farce.

[LiberalFighter]

33. She was a twit!

[NurseJackie]

45. This popped into my mind as well.

[Rockhead]

31. Obstruction of Justice,,,,,

Tampering with Evidence.

plus, all the Service Providers will have the data, dumbasses.

[Grammy23]

34. So let me get this straight....

People working as staff in the White House were NOT briefed on proper records maintenance of all correspondence and phone calls involved in their jobs at the WH? Can we assume this since there seems to be an emergency (and illegal) purge of tweets and calls from their cellphones?

As I recall, shortly after the trump team moved into the White House, people who had served in previous administrations (Obama and Bush 2) talked about educating staff on proper protocol and behavior within the WH and seemed surprised that trump's staff seemed to be ignorant of standard protocols for the WH. Is it possible that no one briefed them on this stuff? Are they really that dumb?? Oh, well.....too bad for them and good news for those investigating these thugs and thieves! They are the gift that keeps on giving......

[Blue_Adept]

37. There was no time for that! There's an administrative state to dismantle!

[wordpix]

83. yes! and it's a Deep State, too!

pls. gawd let these awful ppl go down

[OnDoutside]

53. Ignorance is not a defense under the law.

[madaboutharry]

36. Isn't there an entire field of IT called

RECOVERY?

Don't they know that?

[Zoonart]

39. Right?

My niece's BF is a forensic IT guy. They are so stupid.

[askyagerz]

46. I caught that too

[33taw]

47. If it is digital, it can be recovered.

[lpbk2713]

49. Has Trump's tailor fitted him for an orange jump suit yet?

Damn I hope so.

[tblue37]

61. If he wears an orange jumpsuit, will he disappear? nt

[still_one]

52. I have to say I am a little surprised that she was slamming Hillary for something

[KittyWampus]

55. They were told not to do this already.

[tblue37]

56. That is a crime in itself, but these amateurs probably don't realize it because they know

nothing about the relevant laws.

[sakabatou]

62. Aren't there laws against them purging such info?

[FailureToCommunicate]

65. Lock 'em up and check the servers. Till then, there will be smoke over D.C. from all the records

purged, shredded and burned...

[world wide wally]

66. There will be hundreds of staffers filing complaints of being hacked over the next few days

[hedda_foil]

73. The phones would have to be subpoenaed, and the phone companies/NSA have the metadata.

On the other hand, it's hard to underestimate GOP allies in the brainpower department.

[maddiemom]

75. Our Constitution and existing laws provide no fair resolution for a situation such as this.

Check out the rules of succession. After the V.P., suspect for the same reasons as the POTUS, Speaker of the House Ryan (obviously not the genius we've been led to believe and taken to the cleaners by Joe Biden when the V.P. candidate) is next in line. After him, Orin Hatch, Pres, Pro Temp of the Senate. Republicans down the line, despite the Democrats' winning the popular vote for President and a larger overall margin in congressional races. But AFTER HATCH, we're down to Rex Tillerson, then Steve Munichin! After the last elected official in line, the whole cabinet appointed by the possibly impeached president are in line! Is there any provision for this? I haven't found it, and how could this situation have ever been anticipated? We have no provisions for a do-over election, Hillary caring to be re-involved or not. You may hate her, but she was definitely cheated. We have got to reconsider the electoral college, which has overridden the popular vote twice in sixteen years, and was meant to save us from an unstable president. The present situation is unbelievable, but must be addressed by Congress before 2020 . Can there be enough honest Republicans, as there were during the Nixon dilemma around now? Not likely, especially considering McConnell, who's been talking what should be considered treason since 2009.

[GliderGuider]

77. It just might be time to establish a new precedent.

Probably via the Supreme Court. After all, if the election was fraudulent, the entire line of succession is tainted.

[brooklynite]

76. Good thing that when you delete something from your phone, it disappears forever...

Doesn't it?

[FakeNoose]

81. It's easy to destroy the phone - or lose it in a river somewhere

I don't think you can destroy/delete any calls you made on the phone.
The server has a record of all calls made, even if you don't.

I guess we'll find out who the smart ones are - very soon!

[usedtobedemgurl]

86. You do not purge your phone of anything....

unless you have something to hide. The walls are closing in.

[yodermon]

87. Ha ha haaa, good thing they're stupid. That doesn't delete anything. n/t

[Zoonart]

89. Stupid doesn't cover it!

Every day, I can't believe what I'm seeing. They are so overtly a criminal enterprise...it makes my head hurt...and my heart. I don't understand why the Democrats are not screaming their heads off.

[ThoughtCriminal]

93. But...

their emails...

[Sparkly]

94. I wonder if that includes Nunes.