Thank you, Bernie!! -- Bernie Sanders Shares His Blueprint for Resisting Trump

[Hassin Bin Sober]

The man is on a mission. And it shows.

Bernie Sanders Shares His Blueprint for Resisting Trump

http://www.alternet.org/activism/bernie-sanders-tells-rachel-maddow-how-resistance-was-instrumental-delaying-gops-health


Republican leadership failed to secure enough votes from Congress Thursday to repeal the Affordable Care Act. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) attributes its failure to a burgeoning resistance movement.

On Thursday, the Vermont senator explained how civic engagement translates into policy changes in the nation's capital.

"Republicans historically had their town meetings. Thirty or 50 of their friends would show up, and they talked about cutting the deficit and cutting Social Security and Medicare, and everybody would applaud," he told Rachel Maddow Thursday. "But now you've seen people coming and saying, if you do this, my wife is going to die and I'm not going to let you do that."

[bettyellen]

1. Much credit goes to the former congressional staffers who put together Indivisible.... so they could

organize their own rallies and hold local town halls.

[seaglass]

7. Yes, Indivisible did an awesome job getting people to Town Halls and getting people calling.

An amazing and clearly effective organization.

[Freethinker65]

53. Agreed

[pangaia]

77. I AM AN INDIVISIBLE You better believe it !!

Except we have a problem, our 'reprehensible' is Chris Collins.

[Hortensis]

124. Yes. This is a true grassroots firefight for democracy,

nonpartisan, non-factional determination to stop what the REPUBLICANS are doing to our nation.

[Warren DeMontague]

2. Kick and Rec for SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS!!!!

an IMPORTANT PROGRESSIVE LEADER!

[rock]

3. Funny how the veils peel away

When the trouble falls close to home.

[Tatiana]

4. Credit goes to Ezra Levin and Sarah Greenberg, Angel Padilla and other Congressional staffers too.

These young people are leading the way. Ezra is in his early 30s! They aren't afraid to fight and they are pushing the older, more staid leadership in the right direction.

There is a reason why Bernie received so much support from young people.

[Kentonio]

32. Huge credit to all of them fighting the good fight!

[Talk Is Cheap]

5. This may be the best time ever for Dems to wrestle rep voters away from the Rep party...

...and onto the Dem party!

[beam me up scottie]

6. BERNIE SANDERS totally ROCKS!! He's a TRUE PROGRESSIVE!!

I LOVE Bernie and I appreciate his PASSION, his DETERMINATION, his FOCUS on defeating Trump and the Republican agenda and the FACT that he never forgets it's a coalition of WOMEN, MINORITIES, IMMIGRANTS and WORKERS who make this country GREAT.

Bernie doesn't make it about him - when he speaks it's ALL about US!!!

This is a day to celebrate - we won a victory today because liberals didn't give up. And Bernie has been leading the fight for single payer universal health care for decades. We can fight to save the ACA and still remind people that health care should be a basic human right in this country.

So keep SHOUTING for those of us who aren't being heard in Washington, Bernie!



***

Ps: I wanted to see how many people would take my over the top hyperbole seriously and y'all certainly didn't disappoint. It's like I threw a grasshopper in the chicken coop.

Isn't this a silly thing to get our feathers ruffled over? Seriously?

No matter which politician is your favourite - whether it's Hillary or Obama or Bernie we should all be able to praise them here without being attacked for it. If Hillary's tweets excite you, or pics of Obama make you swoon or hearing Bernie gets you fired up - then that's a GOOD thing. It means we're involved, we're invested - we're inspired by our liberals. And isn't that why we're all here?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

8. You are correct!

[beam me up scottie]

14. He's also part of our DEMOCRATIC Leadership - our Chairman of Outreach!

It's REFRESHING to see people acknowledge his efforts and his position.

I'm glad our Democratic leaders recognized his ability to get our youth fired up about politics and involved, they realize he ran a campaign on small donations and still managed to electrify millions of supporters. And this after starting out with such a small following. Who knew the firebrand from the tiny state of Vermont would go on to receive such an overwhelming response to his message?

And here he is, still fighting for us. He never stopped or even slowed down after our devastating loss in November. In fact I think it energized him, and we need his optimism now more than ever.

[George II]

13. That's funny, Nurse Jackie posted this about a Democratic Senator here on DU just a few days ago:

AL FRANKEN totally ROCKS!! He's a TRUE DEMOCRAT!!

That was a thing of beauty! I love to listen to him speak... so calm and measured. He's focused and on-point.

He's friendly and disarming... but you know he means business. He doesn't need to SHOUT to be heard. His demeanor and sincerity are what command attention. He doesn't need to rely on distracting gimmicks.

Man, oh man! That was great!

We need more TRUE DEMOCRATS like Al Franken!

Honest tagod... he makes me PROUD to be a Democrat!

A great example of a post for others to follow.

[NurseJackie]

15. Oh my goodness!

[synergie]

18. The sacramental wine seems to be flowing in this revival tent :-)

[NurseJackie]

20. Champagne for everyone!! (LOL)

[synergie]

22. Champagne is establishment and elite! Andre Cold Duck? Champagno?

[George II]

39. Joe Biden did it best...

http://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/3073392/original/?width=381&version=3073392

[KittyWampus]

19. That is really strange.

[synergie]

23. Pulling a Melania? I wonder if McIvers will get credit for this as well?

[sheshe2]

37. Oh my!

Interesting, I thank you George for posting this and of course Nurse Jackie for writing it.

[synergie]

16. Peace be upon him. Amen.

[nini]

25. LOL.

You should avoid twitter right now. He is getting raked over the coals for his crap.

[R B Garr]

83. Wow, George II is right that you copied NurseJackie's

thread!

[ismnotwasm]

9. Glad to see him following the excellent example of our Democratic leaders!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

12. Of which he IS one!!!

To the Chairman of Outreach for Senate Democrats Bernie Sanders and other leaders like The Honorable Chuck Schumer - Senate Democratic Leader.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/11/16/senate-democrats-tap-bernie-sanders-lead-outreach/93960822/


WASHINGTON -- Bernie Sanders will now have a Senate leadership post to help further his “political revolution.”

The Vermont independent will be the chair of “outreach” for Senate Democrats next Congress, Senate Democratic Leader-elect Chuck Schumer of New York announced Wednesday. He will be the first independent to hold a party leadership position since the modern leadership structure began in the early 20th Century, according to the Senate Historical Office.

[democrank]

10. Setting a great example of civic engagement.....one of Bernie's strong points.

Thank you, Bernie.

[mountain grammy]

11. K & R

[KittyWampus]

17. Actually, it was Congressional staffers who got Indivisible going. Not Sanders.

[synergie]

21. But he's in charge of Indivisible, and the Resistance, and Emerge and PantSuit Nation!

He knitted every pink hat, also his idea!

Made all those clever signs and personally administers each individual group that the regional PSN groups turned into!

He is behind all things, and all praise is his and his alone. Anyone who dare question this is an apostate and must be put in their place as the enemy of all pure Democrats, a group that he must lead, but is far too pure to be a part of.

[nini]

26. I'm so over him

You hit the nail on the head

[bluedye33139]

27. lol

[Starry Messenger]

29. Ha!

[George II]

30. Excellent points. Thank you.

[NurseJackie]

31. Wow! I did not know that! Thanks for sharing! (LOL)

LOL

[synergie]

50. lol

[Kentonio]

33. You must feel really proud of yourself

Attacking a lifelong progressive at a time when we're facing the biggest right wing threat to our future.

[randome]

34. Um, the attacks come from Sanders first and foremost. You agree with that, right?

Saying that we're 'feeble' is an attack, right? It sure as hell isn't constructive criticism.

At some point, I would think many of you would question why so many posters on DemocraticUnderground.com find Sanders' bland dismissals of our party to be unsavory.

I mean, you can understand that point of view, right? Because I understand yours.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Kentonio]

35. I think people are seeing them in very different ways.

To some they are actual attacks on the party, which indicates a person who is an enemy or at least hostile to the party.

To some of us however these aren't attacks from an outsider, these are criticisms from someone who not only shares our goals and ambitions but has a long record of fighting for them at times when the party hierarchy hasn't shown the same determination and resolve.

Thank you for your reasonable post btw, I'm always happy to discuss things rather than fight, because I think when the partisanship is set aside the differences between people here are actually very small.

[synergie]

42. Yeah, those that enjoy attacking progressives, Democrats and the party see these attacks

as something glorious, those who see the hostility and the attacks for what they are see it as not helpful.

He is an outsider, he chose to be one, and many go out of their way to tout his rights to be an outsider, and that's fine. This is not helpful, it's not constructive, and it's helping the actual enemy, who should be the focus of our fight. Instead, we have people scolding the progressives, Democrats and the party that is doing the actual fighting. Doesn't matter how your bias colors it, it's not helpful and it's not welcome.

Also, if you welcome reasonable posts, why don't you engage in them? When you choose to fight, even on posts that are obvious jokes, tweaking the over the top nonsense from people, you're not showing yourself to be happy to discuss things.

Enough already with supporting the elements that are here to be as unproductive, insulting and inflammatory as possible, even if you're not doing it yourself that's harmful, when you purposefully do that yourself, it's rather hypocritical.

Bernie is on a book tour, to sell books, he's not engaging in a one man revival tour. It's what politicians who write books do. That's not a judgment, that's just simple fact, let's not pretend it's something its not. Give him credit for what he does, which is quite a bit, in his role as Senator, but when he runs off at the mouth and engages in supposedly "friendly" fire, he deserves the legitimate criticism for that.

Recall that the very ones heaping the beatific praise upon him are the very ones who insist that criticism is good and noble, how come if he's an insider as you claim, we are not allowed to criticize him as one of our own?

You can't have it both ways, and all these special rules that only apply to Bernie and no one else.

[Kentonio]

89. Ok so you reply to a post thanking you for being reasonable by going on the attack?

Fair enough, the majority of your post is ridiculous nonsense, not to mention pretty offensive to a very large group of progressives.

Attitudes like yours are the reason the GOP weren't dead and buried years ago. You don't get to decide what is constructive, your vision of what works has led to pretty much every level of governance in the country being painted red.

Glad we had this reasonable and productive talk. Have a nice day.

[synergie]

92. You weren't thanking me for anything, nor were you being reasonable.

Sorry, but there was nothing offensive in my post, dismissing it, in the manner you're doing is not reasonable, and it is offensive to the large group of progressives it smears.


Sorry, but blaming me for the GOP is really silly, hardly reasonable and an act of profound projection. You have no idea what my vision is, but you seem to be appointing yourself to decide what anyone thinks or says. You might want to examine your own vision and attitudes. I'm seeing a lot of people engaging in some deplorable behavior and then gas lighting those they attack with classic projection. This is literally how the GOP works, perhaps if those scolding others for pointing out facts they don't like would stop acting like the GOP, we might have a better shot at fixing what's wrong.

I'm sorry that you believe that hurling insults and gaslighting amounts to reasonable or productive talk, that's not how that works. Perhaps someday you and your horse will figure this out and then we might all work together to fix the mess that such ridiculous nonsense has created, in the mean time, step aside, the rest of us have work to do.

[Kentonio]

109. Why are you pretending you have any interest in discussion?

You don't want to listen to the left, you just want us to shut up, and when we refuse you accuse us of undermining the party.

Sorry, we're not going anywhere.

[brer cat]

113. You don't own "the left"

and neither does Bernie. Many Democrats who are liberal and progressive are justifiably tired of his constant criticisms of the party, and see no reason to breathlessly follow his every utterance; some, including former supporters, are simply bored by him. This attempt to paint those who don't join in the worship services as the "other" is one of the most divisive tactics on DU.

[BainsBane]

114. Thank you!

It's all the more absurd since the standard is not ideology or views on issues but absolute reverence for one man. That is as far from leftism as anything I can imagine.

[sheshe2]

131. Sweet. [phone]

[synergie]

121. Well, at least you dropped the pretense to "reasonable" attempts at "discussion".

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I am the left, I have no problem listening to my peers.

You seem to be the one literally telling me to shut up, when I merely point out that what you're doing is attacking the party.

Sorry, but no matter how rude people are, or how they pretend to be interested in discussion that is composed entirely of belligerent insults, we will not be silence by anyone or the horse they rode in on.

We also won't be scolded, lectured to, attacked or abused, and when faced with assaults, we will speak out and call out those whose aims are not to help the left, Democrats, liberals or progressives. What we've learned is that many who claim to be these things are not being honest, and that's apparent in word and deed.

Sorry, but I for one, will not be intimidated by those choosing to gaslight and project, I don't take orders from those on high horses accusing everyone around of their own behavior.

I will call out absurdity when I see it, and I will not shut up, no matter how abrasive the ad hominen, that is not how liberals roll, perhaps that is a lesson you need to learn.

[sheshe2]

132. Boom!

Nicely done.

[Kentonio]

137. So twice now I've called you out on unreasonable behavior

And your response has been to turn around and just repeat it back as if you were the one being attacked.

Yeah, there's a word for that..

[FDRsGhost]

94. "Bernie is on a book tour, to sell books, he's not engaging in a one man revival tour." WHAT?

Is this a book tour?

What is with the hate around here about Bernie? Granted I'm new but honestly I don't understand it. It's a real turn off for the site. The guy is out there kicking ass and fighting for all of us yet some on here can't stand the guy. Yeah, I simply don't understand and wonder if I'm on the correct site.

[synergie]

95. Um, do you not understand how book tours work?

Media appearances, and other activities to raise one's profile. Writers, even politicians do it all the time. "Debating" Ted Cruz is something to garner some attention.

I don't know what's with the hate here, but I'm certainly not expressing any toward Bernie, though I'm being subjected to quite a lot of it from his acolytes.

You're new here, perhaps you're a bit confused, just cause people insist that comments are hateful, it doesn't automatically follow that they are. This site, like many others, has its own population of people who thrive on fostering negative feelings for reasons of their own.

This is a site for Democrats, when a guy who says he's on our side attacks the party, it's natural for people to criticize him, especially when it's mildly. That's not hate. You're at the correct site if you're supporting Democrats, if your game is to attack them, and anyone who dares to call out attacks on Democrats, then that sort of nonsense is not welcome here, no matter how certain people might cheer out that sort of abuse.

We were a pretty cohesive group for awhile, but something seems to have changed that. We don't know if it's visitors from Conservative sites, other malicious actors, but they're here and they're kicking up a fuss by creating drama where there was little before.

Oh, and when people are on book tours, they can do other things, town halls and multiple media interview are how they promote their book and increase sales, so yeah, this looks like a book tour. Why else would one elevate a turd like Cruz? Also, there is nothing wrong with that, that's literally how PR and book sales work. Hope that cleared up your confusion.

[FDRsGhost]

100. Can you link us please to something which shows Bernie promoting his book

in an interview? Actually I'd love to see a few things if you don't mind because that's how a book tour works, people go on the air and they talk about their book. Self promotion if you will. He's not done that and I certainly haven't seen him on any talk show like say "Inners" where Chris has introduced him as "Author Bernie Sanders....".

You';re being subjected to things because you're wrong. Period. You're trying to basically say that Bernie does nothing and all he';s doing is out selling a book which is completely wrong and you know it would be my guess too.

He's out there TALKING with people in counties Obama carried, Hillary lost and who voted for Trump. Did you see his West Virginia town hall? My guess is no.

He isn't attacking Democrats, he is constructively criticizing them and there's a huge difference. I'm sorry if you don't like what he says but he speaks the truth and only that. He has called for change and that is something which has to happen considering all the losses our party has suffered through in the last few years. There is nothing wrong with that. Think of it as taking a painting class, every Wednesday you are critiqued by your fellow classmates on your work. The aim is to get better and to learn. Are you aware that party leadership had a very big discussion about the losses which occurred? http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/obama-democrats-party-building-234820

Yes I'm new here but that doesn't mean I also don't know the rules. I've read the site for over 10 years and recently started posting. I think the problem here is you see what Bernie says as an attack where as I see it constructive. Opposite ends of the coin if you will. Little drama before? The primaries on here were Wrestlemania.

[synergie]

102. I'll leave it up to you to figure out how PR works in an age where bookstores live on the internet.

Yup, media blitzes, where there are several interviews per day are indeed self promotion. Which you can pretend is something evil, and not something that politicians do.

Sure, cause Senators are addressed as Senator, that's their title. I can link you to how titles work, but I'll leave that up to you too. Seems like you have a lot of homework to do, and your reading skills seem a little rusty, as you demonstrated when you completely made up words and a meaning in the bit you quoted from my post.

I'm not actually wrong, but at least you admit that I am indeed being attacked. I actually didn't say any such thing at all, in fact I said the exact opposite so your defense of the rather nasty attacks against me, sorta fails, but thank ever so much for confirming that people are indeed on the attack. I think you guesses are as bad as your reading comprehension, which you've once again proved isn't great, since you assert things that are specifically the opposite of what I actually wrote.

Again with the terrible terrible guesses, the poor assumptions and the failure to comprehend words I wrote, in favor of your own biased strawmen, which you use as your justification of the attacks you admit are being made against me.

He's attacking Democrats, there is nothing constructive in what he was saying on maddow. I'm sorry that you don't actually pay attention to words and that you think that attacks of any kind are justified, there is something very very wrong with what you're doing here.

You know, you don't seem all that new, and you do seem to know your way around the rules, you attack and insult with a practiced disingenuous. I think the problem is that you wish to see attacks against Bernie so you just create them, while ignoring actual words on your screen. As I said, you were reading incorrectly, surmising badly, assuming atrociously and excusing attacks, based on that bias you conceal so poorly.

They were indeed terrible during the primaries, where all sorts of personal attacks were seen by some folks as "constructive" when they were anything but. Guess you weren't around AFTER the primaries, when many of the most toxic players left us in peace, and we were all busy discussing how to fight Trump.

Might I suggest that you let go of whatever you're imagining from the primaries that YOU refer to, stop fighting them and excusing abuse, and grab a dictionary and try reading the actual words that are there, not what would be handy to excuse the level of abuse you've chosen to excuse. Literacy and honesty are you friends. Period.

[FDRsGhost]

104. That's fine considering I work in marketing :)

If you're going to market something then it would be best to actually talk about the product which you are marketing, right? He hasn't. Nothing out there shows him screaming time after time "buy my book" and if you truly believe that is his aim, Bernie is the worst advertiser of his own goods ever.

Sure, cause Senators are addressed as Senator, that's their title. I can link you to how titles work, but I'll leave that up to you too. Seems like you have a lot of homework to do, and your reading skills seem a little rusty, as you demonstrated when you completely made up words and a meaning in the bit you quoted from my post.

Okay, what is with the passive aggressiveness here in your post and the outright condescending attitude coming from you? Let's act like adults, shall we? I've not come across with anything in the way of an ad hominem attack on you with personal insults have I? Not at all so let's have a discussion instead of baiting people into emotional and irrational discussion. What did I make up as far as words go and meanings?

I'm not actually wrong, but at least you admit that I am indeed being attacked. I actually didn't say any such thing at all, in fact I said the exact opposite so your defense of the rather nasty attacks against me, sorta fails, but thank ever so much for confirming that people are indeed on the attack. I think you guesses are as bad as your reading comprehension, which you've once again proved isn't great, since you assert things that are specifically the opposite of what I actually wrote.

Um, I haven't attacked in any sort of way. I asked you to show us proof that Bernie is selling his book which you haven't provided. My reading comprehension is just fine, thanks but let's stay on topic and focus here shall we?

Do you think all and and any criticism isn't warranted against the party when we just lost to the most unqualified person ever to run for POTUS? That we have lost over 1,000 seats and that we now only have 26% of the electorate and millions have left the party? Do you not think that's worthy for discussion?

I see Bernie doing nothing wrong. I also don't see anything wrong with what Schumer said about the Obama administration in this tweet here but because it's somehow Bernie he gets trashed? Nawww, not getting it sorry.

Link to tweet

You know, you don't seem all that new, and you do seem to know your way around the rules, you attack and insult with a practiced disingenuous. I think the problem is that you wish to see attacks against Bernie so you just create them, while ignoring actual words on your screen. As I said, you were reading incorrectly, surmising badly, assuming atrociously and excusing attacks, based on that bias you conceal so poorly.

I don't have time for this, I simply don't. I wanted an honest discussion but you're simply wanting to argue and throw stones. I don't seem that new here? I am new to posting but said I've read the site for over 10 years. When you're ready to talk let me know and I'll gladly discuss things with you.

Who's re-fighting the primaries? Have I even spoken about them at all? Abuse? What? Yeah, sorry but you've lost me and seem to be twisting things to fit your narrative. I'm out bro, have a nice day.

[synergie]

106. So doing research isn't your forte?

If you wanted an honest discussion, you're going about it all wrong. Here's a hint: excusing attacks on people for any reason is wrong. Period.

Also, it's a book tour:

http://2paragraphs.com/2017/02/bernie-sanders-book-tour-turning-into-a-movement/

Lots of spin, not so much honesty, certainly no facts, but, I'm not a "bro" and enjoy learning what Bernie's out there doing, and go buy his book on Amazon, that's an outcome he'll appreciate, since it is a book tour after all.

And welcome back, whomever you are. No one has time of dishonest play acting, but way to master the site, you're sure a quick study for someone who has so many problems reading what people actually write (as opposed what you imagine they did), and not being able to do a quick google search for Bernie's 2017 book tour.

[George II]

139. The Chicago Tribune and Seattle Times, among other media outlets, reported on it:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-bernie-sanders-book-tour-20161115-story.html

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/bernie-sanders-visits-seattle-wednesday-on-book-tour/

[riderinthestorm]

143. Those articles are over 4 months old. He's not on a book tour

You won't find him hawking his book, not even when he was "on tour".

[George II]

145. It wasn't just a 2-day book tour, it lasted quite a while...

....(and may still have some stops along the way, I don't know)

For some of those appearances on the tour there were some unconventional arrangements, too.

[riderinthestorm]

146. Nope. It ended December 2nd

http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/where-is-bernie-sanders-speaking-next-book-tour-rally-event-speech-schedule-our-revolution/

[beam me up scottie]

99. Is that what he's been doing all this time?

Here he is selling books in West Virginia ...oh wait, no - that's Bernie hosting a town hall in West Virginia:

Here he is selling books in Michigan - rats! Sorry, that's Bernie at a health care rally to save the ACA:

Here he is selling books to women in Vermont - wait, no I'm wrong again, that's Bernie at the Women's march:

Here's Bernie selling books to workers in Mississippi - whoops! My bad - that's Bernie standing up for factory workers in Mississippi:

And finally here he is selling books in Topeka. Dammit! Wrong again - he was speaking to Kansas Democrats:

I've been to signings where the author promotes his book and they don't look anything like what Bernie's doing in those videos. He must be doing it wrong.

[synergie]

105. Gee, it's amost like books are sold online these days!

And look at him all alone rallying everyone, by himself, single handedly. On the National Day of Rallies he was at everyone one, all on the same day. No Democrats ever do anything, just Bernie!

Oh wait:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-protest-defense-obamacare_us_587bd3e9e4b09281d0eb741d?ncid=engmodushpmg00000003

Oh and yes, he's on an actual book tour.

http://2paragraphs.com/2017/02/bernie-sanders-book-tour-turning-into-a-movement/

Facts are hard for some people to accept, not sure why literally everything said about Bernie, not matter how benign, or how true must be twisted into something else.

[Lordquinton]

115. What's wrong with selling a book?

[beam me up scottie]

116. Ouch.

[synergie]

117. I honestly have no idea, I said he was on a book tour, and your friend who shares your love of

weird looking hello kittyie (what is that anyway?) been offended for some reason.



What is so offensive about saying an author of a recent book is on a book tour, that's usually what media blitzes are about after all. Pretty normal, but for some reason, people are pretending it's some sort of attack on Bernie, I've been attacked and accused of fomenting hate.

What exactly is so wrong with being on a book tour, and why are the pitchforks out when someone states the simple fact that Bernie is on a planned book tour?

Also, you seem to have gone through some trouble to find images, were you suggesting that these folks in a high dudgeon now were also upset about *those* books? Are you suggesting that what's going on here is some sort of bad feelings being carried over? All of the authors you chose are indeed attacked here for various reasons, usually simultaneously for doing something and not doing it, at the same time.

Hmmm, that is an interesting point you've brought up. I wonder why book tours are the epitome of all evil all of a sudden.

[Lordquinton]

123. Speaking of books, here's a nice quote

"Me thinks the lady doth protest too much."

[synergie]

128. Agreed, but your buddy does love those video clips.

Is she going to be okay, now that all the drama over the book tour she didn't know about turns out to be a book tour in fact?

I hope you're there for her, with more non sequiturs from Shakepeare, some soothing of this deep upset is in order.

Me thinks you should read the rest of the scene, perhaps some story time among your friends will soothe this turmoil that seems to have been put in play for reasons best known amongst yourselves.

Have a blessed day.

[R B Garr]

118. LOL, apparently it depends on who is demonizing the

book writer for political reasons. Some writers are exempt from scrutiny while being critical of others.

[The Big Ragu]

125. okily dokily neighburrito

we got you down for "demonize Bernie at all costs for everything real or imagined."

Thanks for participating!

[synergie]

126. Bless your heart, you got me down for somethign you made up why pretend it's my participation at all

when it's literally something made up that my actual word belie?

Thanks for introducing yourself, there seems to be a continent of folks who seem to be on the attack and don't let facts or actual words stand in their way.

[The Big Ragu]

136. Same to you.

[R B Garr]

110. It's not like celebrity endorsements come with

a specially worded announcement. No one says, Hi, I'm a celebrity and I'm going to use my well-known name to influence you into writing a check to buy my book so I can increase my bank account. That's not how it works. They lend their name and that is the promotion. LOL, it doesn't need a special announcement.

[MuseRider]

154. Damn, I was at the Topeka

rally. If the photo was 2 people to the left I would have been in it! I am glad to see that WIBW caught it all, it was inspiring. No mention of his book, nope none. In fact, if it was not for DU I would not even know about that damned book. I have not heard of it anywhere else. Oh well, it does not matter because Bernie does not give a shit if people want to say horrible things about him or dislike him because his thoughts on why the Dems have lost most of the country hurt their fee fees rather than stirring them up to work on what is not obviously working. Bernie Sanders cares about getting things done and he will not be stopped by the frothy hoards of haters that occasionally stop in to every post here or wherever else they manage to post. At this point I find them funny and/or sad. WTF ever. Nice post BMUS

**an afterwords. I know a LOT of people in the party living where I do. The people I know as the most moderate and insistently Democrat status quo were at this rally. They were screaming and yelling him on (our former governor was not however but that is not a surprise), in fact they were perfectly happy to have him here. And y'all ask what's the matter with Kansas. We know what is the matter and we also see who it is with the ideas to get us out of it eventually.

[riderinthestorm]

144. Welcome to DU. Sorry about the pushback here @ Bernie

You're not alone here tho.



The Bernie Sanders group has a lot of friendly faces and great links.

[G_j]

40. "At some point, you would think many of you would

guestion" ... why so many great long time DUers seem to rarely bother posting here anymore.

there is still a wealth of information here, productive discussion? not what it used to be..

[BainsBane]

44. I see the entire argument that Sanders is responsible for defeating Trumpcare

as an attack on the hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of citizens who mobilized at townhalls and congressional offices to press the issue. The victory belongs to them. To attribute it to a politician is a deeply conservative understanding of social change. I think it unfortunate that some feel it necessary to rhetorically disempower the people.

[randome]

46. Agreed. Hero worship is so unseemly.

It reduces every one else to being inconsequential.

[synergie]

54. This a few degrees beyond mere hero worship

[synergie]

41. Ah, but I'm not attacking any progressive. I am however tweaking those that

actually spend a lot of time and effort attacking actual progressives, real Democrats and who apparently were not so concerned with the actual right wing threat when it could have been stopped.

All this religious fervor and praise heaped on a man who didn't actually do the work that he's being praised for is troubling. Do you feel proud of yourself for attacking someone *making fun* of those who seek to pretend that the actual grass roots organizers who worked hard for the campaign against right wingers, Russians and purists, who picked themselves up after the devastating loss by 70,000 votes, hundreds of thousands of votes not counted or supressed, and knit the hats, organized the marches, traveled and then went home, got their friends and families together to make phone calls, organize town halls and applied the ACTUAL pressure to achieve our goals, was the work of some Senator who didn't have anything to do with it?

None of them did, this was us, do you feel proud to cheat us of the credit for our good and hard work?


Praise Bernie all you want, I'm sure many will enjoy seeing him and hearing him at his nationwide media and book tour, go buy his book, attend his speeches, whatever you'd like, but please spare me the scolding for calling out the silliness of those who seem to be waxing ridiculous by heaping praise upon his hallowed head for things he did not do.

Attacking actual lifelong progressives out there doing the work, making the calls, writing the letters, post cards, emails, and showing up every week at the offices to make their voices heard is nothing to be proud of. Regardless of which side you supported in the primary, it's beyond pointless to be carrying out that animosity 5 months later, to pretend that the people doing the work are nothing, while the man that didn't have anything to do with, and who never claimed to, should be praised.

[Kentonio]

88. Actually if you climbed off your high horse

You'd see that most of us are extremely pleased to thank the tireless work of those at grassroots making these movements tick. What is kind of sad though is the way that any praise shown towards a progressive leader who is also working his ass off in his 70's traveling the country seeking change is met with (the same people every time) posting snarky, nasty little digs.

[synergie]

91. Actually, that's you upon that horse.

Join us down here, where you can see that what you're saying is not the case at all. What's sad is that you keep insisting that the tireless work being done by people is somehow due to the guy who is on a book tour currently and is seeking to sell his book. The same people every time do turn those snarky, nasty digs at anyone who dares to point out facts, like he didn't organize the grassroots, and deserves no praise.

I wonder why people are so busy being so snarky and rude to those of us who are simply pointing out who does deserve the credit, and objecting to those who give it to a guy who isn't pretending to lay claim to it. Thread after thread, post after post, filled with bile and nasty comments, hurled at us, while the scolding goes on.

That high horse is blinding you to where the nasty little digs are coming from, and yeah it's from the same people every time. Why the dedication to division? Why the need to dig in so much and deny what's plainly happening?

[FDRsGhost]

96. Alright, I'm confused by your statements

ttacking actual lifelong progressives out there doing the work, making the calls, writing the letters, post cards, emails, and showing up every week at the offices to make their voices heard is nothing to be proud of. Regardless of which side you supported in the primary, it's beyond pointless to be carrying out that animosity 5 months later, to pretend that the people doing the work are nothing, while the man that didn't have anything to do with, and who never claimed to, should be praised.

If I'm reading this correctly, you're saying Bernie isn't an "actual progressive" yet he co-founded the Progressive Caucus and is the most progressive senator in the senate? When it comes to issues, Bernie is 100% progressive and nothing but and if you truly believe he isn't, I'd like to know what it is you consider him to be.

Your pov on the whole "book tour" thing is concerning however. To use that talking point while not acknowledging he is holding rally's all over the place to engage people, town galls, doing every talk show circuit possible, on and on and he hasn't plugged his book at all in any of it. In interview after interview, he doesn't even mention his book. Do you know what he mentions? How disastrous Trump is.

[synergie]

98. You're not reading it correctly.

I'm confused as to how you could get that meaning from it. I didn't say any such thing.

He's on a book tour, and he's not "engaging people", you posted a "debate" with Cruz. Where is the talking point?

I think you need to read again for comprehension, you're literally making up claims I didn't and it seems to be biasing you.

Where did I state that Bernie is not an actual progressive? I didn't type those words, yet you seem to be taking that and running with it.

Where is he holding these rallies? And you do realize that book sales rise with the visibility of the writer, right? It's how PR works, and what's concerning is that having made up your mind, by reading incorrectly, you've decided to create a whole thing about someone saying a man selling a book is on a book tour is an example of hate.

I know you're new here, but whipping up imagined hate based on a poor reading and your own bias is not really how we do things here.

[Dem2]

36. Lol

I was wondering how far I had to read into this thread before seeing a post like this.

[synergie]

48. Seems to be in vogue around here, sans the sarcasm tag.

[sheshe2]

38. +1000!

[BainsBane]

43. Some people will always see the world in terms of great men

in which citizens are insignificant compared to the political elite. It's a conservative worldview that has undergone a resurgence across the political spectrum in recent years. It's how they pretend FDR created the New Deal out of noblesse oblige while ignoring the mass mobilization that forced him to act. We've seen a remarkable outpouring of civic activism, but some are unable to appreciate the power of the populus to affect the world around them. Any non-reactionary reading of history demonstrates that social change has always been brought about by the people, and that those in power only act when their hands are forced. To rhetorically erase citizens from this victory and instead credit a member of the political elite shows a profound discomfort with popular mobilization, suggesting allegiance to a social hierarchy in which a few men rule over the population. It's not surprising that such a concept of "progressivism" is aimed at turning the clock back half a century to when that social order was even more rigid and hierarchical than it is today.

[synergie]

49. Well said. Though there seems to be a more than a bit of religious zeal

with this cult of personality. Ironic considering that this small group is the one preaching against so called "identity politics", right?

[R B Garr]

82. That's hilarious!

So true.

[NastyRiffraff]

107. Brilliant, Synergie

Praise Him! Adore Him!

[Gothmog]

119. Great post

[riderinthestorm]

24. K&R! nt

[FDRsGhost]

28. GO BERNIE!

Always fighting for us and bringing in a lot more people into the party! Give them hell Bernie and keep on fighting for US!

[NastyRiffraff]

108. Is that gif supposed to be COMPLEMENTARY?

It just looks...well...weird.

[jalan48]

45. News tends to be slower on the weekend so it's good we have the Us vs. Them to fall back on.

[elleng]

51. Guess so.???

Making me SICK, NO WAY Democrats and/or Progressives will succeed if these ridiculous 'spats' continue.

[jalan48]

58. I'm a Bernie supporter just being a smart ass.

[elleng]

59. You were RIGHT,

and I 'thanked you!' Guess too 'subtle.' THANKS, keep it up!

[jalan48]

61. Sorry-I'm watching Oregon-Kansas B Ball and am a little slow on the pick-up.

[elleng]

62. OK! Enjoy the game!

[jalan48]

64. Thanks-Go Ducks!

[NurseJackie]

60. They can stop tomorrow, if the attacks on the party stop. Democrats are not "feeble". Democrats...

... are not "opportunists". Democrats are not "ideologically bankrupt". It's unclear why anyone is surprised at the push-back and negative reaction from loyal Democrats. I mean, seriously now... can you IMAGINE the outcry if Donald Trump had said such nasty things about our beloved Democratic Party and its leadership? Would Donald Trump get the same "kudos" and praise and atta-boys and fist-pumping cheers for being so "honest" and "telling it like it is" ... I think not! The whole thing is just so unseemly and unnecessary. Why would anyone want to cause these divisions and amplify the distrust that many are feeling?

Making me SICK, NO WAY Democrats and/or Progressives will succeed if these ridiculous 'spats' continue.

These insults and attacks feed the flames of distrust and divide the party. A divided party is a weakened party. Why would anyone continue to do the things that are obviously dividing the party?

It's a mystery to me.

[elleng]

63. These should not be read as insults and attacks,

but those who WANT to do so, will.

Bernie Sanders Has A Message For Disenchanted Trump Voters

Source: Crooks and Liars

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) delivered a fiery joint rally on Capitol Hill on Wednesday. The object of their scorn? Trump's new National Economic Council director, Gary Cohn.

" we are going to send the special interests packing, and we are going to once again have a government of the people and for the people," Sanders reminded attendees.

Sanders is now calling on Trump voters to hold the billionaire they elected accountable.

"The truth is, very, very cynical lies appealing to working families all over the country: draining the swamp, taking on Wall Street," he said. "But the reality is today that he has more billionaires in his administration than any president in American history."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141738162

[Omaha Steve]

65. Very well said

[NurseJackie]

66. It's difficult to imagine that ANYONE would be motivated to support a party that was "feeble"...

... or "corrupt" or "ideologically bankrupt" or "opportunistic" or "the same as" the GOP.

Sorry, Elleng... those ARE attacks. Those ARE smears. We wouldn't accept it if Donald Trump were saying those things about our party. Why should anyone be given a free pass? Until the attacks stop, the division will continue. It's as simple as that. I guarantee it. With division comes weakness. With weakness comes loss. Fact. Stop encouraging it. Stop making excuses for it. Or... live with the consequences of having a divided party.

[elleng]

67. SAVE OUR HEALTH CARE RALLY BERNIE SANDERS, CHUCK SCHUMER, CINDY ESTRADA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11179767

[Warren DeMontague]

68. Yeah!! And Remember that time Bernie Sanders called the DNC under DWS "worthless"?

Oh, wait, that was Senator Harry Reid.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/311506-reid-dnc-was-worthless-under-wasserman-schultz

[beam me up scottie]

69. *GASP* He said WHAT??? THAT'S BLASPHEMY!!!

No REAL Democrat™ would EVER criticize the party.

[elleng]

72. Imagine THAT!

[beam me up scottie]

74. Unforgivable! (not) ONE OF US! (not) ONE OF US! (not) ONE OF US!!!

[George II]

76. He also uttered these nuggets:

“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”

“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’”

“Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?”

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party."

There are others if you're interested.

[beam me up scottie]

78. LOL!

[George II]

79. Cute.

[R B Garr]

81. Since when is quoting Bernie's own words

a Whoosh. That whoosh would be on you.

[Omaha Steve]

80. Again no link for your posts

No date etc...

[synergie]

85. They're gathered in a politico article that has been much discussed, and they're from throughout

his career. He's been confronted with them in many interviews and admits and defends them.

It's not difficult to find them, they're quite famous. Just highlight the quote you'd like and paste it into google, then you can address your doubts.

[FDRsGhost]

101. Dem leadership said bad things about Obama too

It happens and I don't understand why Bernie is under a microscope here and its become a talking point when....

Link to tweet

[George II]

142. An excerpt from the article:

Reid said he hopes the DNC picks a chair who is "full-time," unlike "that congresswoman from Florida."

So his choice a few weeks ago would obviously be the candidate who ultimately became the chairman.

[Warren DeMontague]

147. Yes, everyone including Tom Perez agrees that DWS did an atrocious job.

Good thing Perez and Reid don't try and post their opinions here, though, because every time I mention the same thing, or bring up her factual record of voting in the house to send medical marijuana users to federal prison, someone hits the alert button.

[George II]

148. That's not the gist of the excerpt I posted. You misrepresented my excerpt. And...

...sending medical marijuana users to federal prison isn't even mentioned in your link.

PS - she was among many Democrats who voted against that amendment.

[Warren DeMontague]

149. DWS voted repeatedly against the Rohrbacher-Farr amendment.

Which forbids the DEA from spending tax dollars in states that have legalized medical marijuana to drag cancer grannies off to prison for eating pot brownies, etc.

DWS has voted against it every time it has come up. That's simply part of the factual record.

And it's not like she's not aware of the stakes- in her own state of Florida, she coordinated with Sheldon Adelson (of all people) to try and defeat Florida's Medical Marijuana amendment 2- successfully in 2014, unsuccessfully in 2016. Meanwhile, though, in 2014 the state of Florida was busy doing things like following this 54 year old medical marijuana patient home from a hydroponics store, whereupon she was facing 10 years in prison for the pot plants she was growing to treat her arthritis pain.

And yes, DWS is in the house of representatives, HOWEVER she took an interest in state-level legislative activism specifically to try and stop medical marijuana reform in Florida. Again, while simultaneously voting to keep federal funds for the DEA to come in and ignore those state-level medical marijuana laws as well.

[George II]

150. The amendment says nothing about dragging "grannies off to prison for eating pot brownies"....

...that's a bit melodramatic, don't you think?

There are many issues that come up in the course of a legislator's term, many. Singling in on just one issue is overly critical. I'm sure one can find an issue with every office holder with which one has a disagreement.

I'm very close to my state representative and senator, and we've had several disagreements on policy issues over the years. But I'm not going to go on a one-many campaign against them simply because we don't agree 100% of the time.

[Warren DeMontague]

151. It says the DEA should leave medical marijuana patients alone in states that have legalized medical

marijuana.


"melodramatic"? When you have police following arthritis patients home from hydroponics stores so they can monitor their basements for pot plants?

10 years in prison for some plants to help with arthritis pain?


Maybe the "melodrama" is on the part of authorities who still enable this sort of draconian bullshit at taxpayer expense.

[QC]

152. Imagine, being to the *right* of Dana Rohrabacher.

Imagine, getting into bed with the vile Sheldon Adelson to deprive sick people of a measure of comfort.

But to some all that matters is the letter on the jersey.

[Warren DeMontague]

153. I know, right?

Seems to me one thing all good progressives should be able to agree on, our tax dollars have better things to do than drag people in wheelchairs off to prison because they're obtaining "unauthorized" relief.

[Omaha Steve]

70. Chuck Schumer: The beauty of that message is it unites Democrats.

I like Chucks opinion on this instead!

OS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8848256

[elleng]

73. he revealed how much of it comes from Sanders, the message that is.

[George II]

71. Truth is, it was WARREN who organized the event, yet as usual Sanders...

....tags along and takes credit.

[Omaha Steve]

75. Link please

yet as usual...

[synergie]

86. Not difficult to find, if you need the links so badly, please google, and you'll find them easily.

Please let me know if this is difficult, not everyone is adept at googling. I'd be happy to help, if you let me know precisely what it is you wish to be linked to.

[Omaha Steve]

112. It is the custom on the DU to provide the links in support of your opinion when posting

Once you have been here a few years and become a star member you might pick up on the quaint tradition.

[synergie]

120. Oh, if you've been here a few years and have a star, it's the custom to demand links

to common and easily locate-able quotations in less than polite terms?

I may not have been here as long as you have, but I was taught to be courteous, It's a shame that becoming a star member has such terrible consequences to basic decorum.

I offered help since you clearly seemed to not know how to google a quote, and this is the response?

Also, "quaint tradition" that's what people term less than honorable behavior right? I believe slavery is called that very term in some circles.

[Omaha Steve]

122. As polite as you have been to others like me supporting Bernie in this thread

I was sure your intentions in the reply were nasty. My bad.

[synergie]

129. I've been nothing but polite, but you and others don't sem to extend that courtesy to me.

I'm pretty sure calling someone's intentions nasty is proof of where the nastiness is actually coming from, it is your bad.

What an assumption to make, makes one wonder where your mind is. Are you having a bad day, or hanging around people who are upset about something. Sometimes one tends to pick up negativity from one's companions, and it colors everything you see. Leads to lots of actual nastiness and mistakes.

Go out, take a walk, keep your distance from unpleasant people, it will change your outlook and make you less likely to reflexively assume such nasty things.

I've been nothing but polite, but those attacking me are rather nasty and not very subtle about it.

[Omaha Steve]

130. I have dementia

It's in my sig. I make mistakes.

[synergie]

133. I'm truly sorry to hear that.

I have been attacked quite a bit on this thread by people who literally don't bother reading what I wrote and instead assert things. Things have gotten quite nasty and they don't seem to attacking first and reading what I actually wrote never.

You'll understand where I'm coming from, I hope. There seems to be a reintroduction of a great deal of nastiness this weekend for some reason.

[Omaha Steve]

134. It happens

[Omaha Steve]

140. Yes I do

[synergie]

84. Sure, why let definitions and actual understanding the words and the intent get in the way of

interpreting attacks as something else entirely.

Bashing Democrats isn't going to do much to reach out to Trump voters, and your link doesn't explain how his attacks are not attacks. Wanting something other than what it clearly is might work for people, that's how Trump won after all, but it doesn't change the Senator's words and they were indeed denigrating the party. There is no getting around that, no how much you WANT to. Words have meanings, and that seems to be difficult thing for some people to grasp these days, much like those disenchanted Trump voters who WANTED so very much to pretend that Trump wasn't saying what he was.

Let's not follow that failed path, shall we, we know where that gets us.

Bernie made a mistake, it's okay to admit it. He's human and he's a politician, both of those are error prone.

[underthematrix]

52. Bernie did this? Um NO. Women

did this. Let's don't get it twisted. We women did this.

[JTFrog]

55. But that's not important.

You know, because identity politics or some fucking bullshit.

[underthematrix]

93. LOL!

[synergie]

87. Apparently some folks would like to erase the women (and men) who did all the work, so they can

lay all the credit at Bernie's feet.

It's important to note that Bernie himself, isn't claiming the credit, HE's crediting the citizens. Oddly some people are taking clips and pretending that he's on a one man crusade to bring the Good News that healthcare is important to country, tent revival style (or so it's implied), and giving the poor wimminz who don't know any better, instructions to follow, a blueprint apparently, about how to do civic engagement.

The poor dears were so busy knitting that they had no idea that healthcare might affect their lives or their families, and need the direction. It's not like we organized our own damned selves and have been civically engaged for quite some time now, without help or direction from Bernie. Bernie knows this, but his acolytes seem rather confused on the subject. It's like they were not paying attention or something, or were seriously confused as to who was doing what.

It's a bit odd that they go these lengths when the man himself doesn't make such assertions.

[betsuni]

97. I luv all your comments, thank you!

[sheshe2]

135. Hey.

Thank you.

Apparently some folks would like to erase the women (and men) who did all the work, so they can lay all the credit at Bernie's feet.

It's important to note that Bernie himself, isn't claiming the credit, HE's crediting the citizens. Oddly some people are taking clips and pretending that he's on a one man crusade to bring the Good News that healthcare is important to country, tent revival style (or so it's implied), and giving the poor wimminz who don't know any better, instructions to follow, a blueprint apparently, about how to do civic engagement.

I love this excerpt. "Some folks would like to erase women". Yes, they want us to sit down and shut up and become the invisible woman. WE are the ones that formed a march of millions all over the world and it was done in a short period of time. Bernie knows that, yet others wish to take that away from us. It was ours. All ours. We are not invisible and we are indeed indivisible.
This is not about one it is about all, I wish more understood that. This is where we are now. Our future, together.

[George II]

138. Selective editing.

[sheshe2]

141. ...

[guillaumeb]

56. Thank you to Sanders, and everyone who called, marched, wrote, emailed,

and pressured their Congress members and media outlets.

[elleng]

57. Thanks, guill.

[Skidmore]

90. A fine exmple of an OP to trashcan.

I trashcan all like this which seek to create division in þhe guise of unity.

[R B Garr]

111. Pretty much, especially with all the current Russian

meddling news that prove how that division was promoted. That is front and center current news.

[Kolesar]

103. I muted him and read facebook because he bores the shit out of me

Now I know three sentences that he said.

[Go Vols]

155. K&R

civic engagement translates into policy changes in the nation's capital.

Power to the people