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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSenate voted 50-48 to kill your broadband internet privacy...
Ok, kids...healthcare merriment aside, time to get back to work.
The repubs just gave your ISP permission to collect anything and everything on your internet interactivity and sell it to anybody willing to pay for it. And that includes browser history, email, text messages, tweets...EVERYTHING! Your medical history, job searches, forms submissions...ALL OF IT. To any third-party willing to pay for it!
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/senate-republicans-are-preparing-to-kill-internet-privacy
The only repub to vote NO was Rand Paul. All Dems and 2 independents also voted NO.
The House votes on it next week so we only have a few days to pressure our Congressmen/women into doing the right thing. I'm skeptical but hopeful a miracle can still happen. Meanwhile, somebody needs to tar and feather that idiot new FCC Chairman!
I provided but one link to this devastating turn of events, but there are dozens more for more info and the strategy path to follow.
Hurry, the vote is next week. Thanx for listening.
coco22
(1,258 posts)RandySF
(58,805 posts)That's pretty much what they'll see if they take a peek at me.
meow2u3
(24,761 posts)such as Pogo, GSN, and Facebook games--as well as cats and cat videos.
Those are my interests outside politics.
Vilis Veritas
(2,405 posts)At least on the business plans. Not sure if it will be same for consumers.
As we still have 2 yr contract pricing, when all consumer plans have moved to month to month, with phones being purchased at full price.
This will definitely be an opt in deal, but I wouldn't bet on it being easy.
Peace
RealityChik
(382 posts)All of that would go away. The current law, passed by the Obama administration last fall (and this applies to ALL ISPs, not just phone service providers) mandates that they HAVE to offer the option to opt out of their data collection and sale. If the new rollback law passes, they can collect and sell all forms of your information to advertisers, law enforcement, your employer, your health insurance company, your bank, criminals, anybody, and even if, like the ever-deceitful Facebook, they say they are allowing you to opt out, there will no longer be a legally-binding law that obligates them to actually comply.
You actually trust Verizon to comply with your wishes without a law forcing them to do it? Boy, I don't! Does Verizon also provide your broadband and television services as well? This new privacy rollback applies to ANY internet service you subscribe to, not just wireless.
Add that to the planned expansion of this rollback to the "internet of things", and KellyAnne Conway will actually be right about your microwave (and other electronics) having the legal right to collect and sell (aka "eavesdrop" on your personal use of their products without needing your permission to do so.
I could be, and would love to be proven dead wrong in my interpretation of this new privacy rights rollback, but I intend to have VPN services installed at the router level at my home and subscribe to VPN service for all my mobile devices as well. If my ISP is willing to pay me royalties and a commission for the use of my private life for THEIR financial gain, I might be persuaded to be a little more reckless with my privacy.
chillfactor
(7,575 posts)I hope that includes the orange one, white house staff, and congress.
RealityChik
(382 posts)Doesn't apply to them. No surprise, right? Someone on Talking Points Memo already suggested crowdfunding a boatload of money to buy the personal internet info of all the aforementioned and post it all for public viewing. Some security dude shot that down immediately in the next post on the forum preview sidebar saying that for matters of national security, that cannot legally be done.
(TPM forums are a premium paid subscription service that I don't have so I was prevented from pursuing that thread any further than a big ol' login alert window telling me to either join or get lost!)
milestogo
(16,829 posts)And theirs has got to be worth more than most of ours.
Crash2Parties
(6,017 posts)crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)Maybe Rentboy.com or Ashley Madison part 2?
RealityChik
(382 posts)Don't even know how to USE the Internet. They get their staff to do it for them. So, unless their big money investment portfolios are steeped in internet related stocks that would take money from their pockets if the internet went down, they couldn't care less!
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)No finding out about all that porn they watch and download,that only applies to plans that Liburals are on.
Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)Those shady greedy bastards just won't stop, will they? Tsk tsk.
onenote
(42,700 posts)The FCC rules adopted last year hadn't taken effect and weren't going to under the Trump FCC. Which sucks of course.
RealityChik
(382 posts)I had forgotten about that. Some companies made a voluntary tightening of their privacy policies in advance of the law's effective date, but there was not yet a mandate in place.
A favorable House vote will take a miracle, as the public is still of the "I have nothing to hide." mindset without realizing the full impact of being subjected to having your whole life sold to the highest bidder without any personal benefit for allowing it to happen.
Cha
(297,200 posts)rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)From the official Senate roll call vote total, no Republican voted Nay. It's the first sign of Schumer ability to keep the caucus together.
NAYs ---48
Baldwin (D-WI)
Bennet (D-CO)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Booker (D-NJ)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Coons (D-DE)
Cortez Masto (D-NV)
Donnelly (D-IN)
Duckworth (D-IL)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Harris (D-CA)
Hassan (D-NH)
Heinrich (D-NM)
Heitkamp (D-ND)
Hirono (D-HI)
Kaine (D-VA)
King (I-ME)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Leahy (D-VT)
Manchin (D-WV)
Markey (D-MA)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Murphy (D-CT)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Peters (D-MI)
Reed (D-RI)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schatz (D-HI)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-NM)
Van Hollen (D-MD)
Warner (D-VA)
Warren (D-MA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
Not Voting - 2
Isakson (R-GA)
Paul (R-KY)
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00094
RealityChik
(382 posts)I'll have to find my reference again that listed him as a no vote. My source may have been wrong. I'll confirm shortly.
RealityChik
(382 posts)I couldn't find my original source as I purged my entire browser history yesterday but senate.gov confirmed your source. That says it all. Too bad 3 more repubs hadn't shown up for the vote!
22 repubs accepted major bribes...I mean campaign contributions from the telecoms.
Wish there was a way to shame them all.
rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)They can run ads and talking points That highlight your assertion that the Repubs are owned by telecoms. This bill will make a very simple "they sold you out for cash" message. That Democrats can hammer many Repubs Senators in 2018.
dawg
(10,624 posts)Props to my Senator for occasionally being one of the least deplorable of the bunch.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)sold your information. Its in the tiny print.
RealityChik
(382 posts)Except for tightly restrictive HIPAA exceptions, usually only allowing 3rd party access to services specifically related to treatment covered by your insurance. Otherwise your WRITTEN permission is required.
Any optional permissions are required to default to OPT OUT, unless you choose to opt in. Not the reverse.
I went to this website for an abbreviated plain English interpretation of the law, without the heretofores and pursuant tos in the official legal-speak version of the law.
https://evisit.com/hipaa-guide/
So, I'd be holding your insurance company accountable if they have convinced you otherwise. The HIPAA laws are a slog to read through, but HIPAA patient information sharing is pretty restrictive. I'm no expert, but my husband was on a complience committee for a Blue Cross affiliate when HIPAA first came out and I got more than an earful of rants about its restrictive access and required permissions in order to to provide or recommend treatment related products by 3rd party providers.
Anyway, worth checking out. Insurance companies are notorious for pushing against legal requirements to see how much they can get away with. Best of luck with that. Gotta hold ther feet to the fire sometimes to make sure they behave with your best interest in mind.
Omaha Steve
(99,628 posts)eniwetok
(1,629 posts)eniwetok
(1,629 posts)all our login info and posting traffic is in the clear.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,835 posts)Orrex
(63,209 posts)1. It will easily pass in the house, and the soon-to-be impeached traitor Trump will sign it immediately
2. Everyone who was going to vote Republican in 2018 will still do so regardless of this vote or any other
3. Third-parties will be overwhelmed with cat videos, if they're lucky
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)They'll have to buy more equipment to spy on their own customers so they'll need a rate increase as they do every Feb anyway. They SUCK!!