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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan we maybe stop using the expression "LOCK THEM UP"...
Or "LOCK HIM UP"?
In my humble opinion, we should never under any circumstances reflect their lockstep thought processes.
" They should be facing charges, or ought to be incarcerated because", or something along those lines, at least shows there is some thought involved, instead of a knee jerk, purely emotional "Seig Heil!" typical Trumpster outburst.
This has been a public service announcement from orangecrush.
Your mileage may vary.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Lock Him The Fuck Up!
Better?
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Thanks for trying, though.
Are you saying you disagree with the point I am trying to make?
I can't see the thought process.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)For further clarification.
Hope that is helpful!
gopiscrap
(23,736 posts)most fucking morons with basement IQ's (who always vote republican) wouldn't understand a more nuanced message
Doreen
(11,686 posts)gopiscrap
(23,736 posts)most trump voters have an IQ in negative territory
Doreen
(11,686 posts)gopiscrap
(23,736 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)I must admit though that there are smart repukes and they scare me the most because they should know better.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)The smart repukes are too smart for their own good.
And an I.Q. score doesn't show the beauty and wisdom in your heart.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)The facts, maam.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)We are communicating poorly.
Bill Clinton was a master of the art.
FarPoint
(12,321 posts)No...Lock him and his crime family Mafia thugs up..
Lock them ALL UP.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Submariner
(12,503 posts)How's that for ya!
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)Well, I do. So, "No".
Ms. Toad
(34,060 posts)Far too many around here (and in the Democratic party, generally) have decided that if it worked for the Republicans, we should adopt it and give them a taste of their own medicine - not recognizing that their medicine is a part of who they are; a part of what makes them so cruel that we won on AHCA because more than 22 of them believed the AHCA was not cruel enough.
We can't adopt their tactics without becoming them, becaue the means are not distinct from the goal, they are part and parcel of the goal.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)For understanding exactly what I was getting at with my post.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)"Lock him up" is just one example.
The puerile name-calling, generalizing, and disdain are right out of the Shitgibbon's playbook.
A shame.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Thank you.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Given what I have heard about prison, I don't think I could take any kind of delight in someone having to live that horror.
tavernier
(12,375 posts)but we are the party of imagination and originality, so borrowing from the dolts is, IMO, lazy, and we can do much better.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)We are smarter than that.
liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)Fuck being classy. This is war. Lives are on the line.
LOL Lib
(1,462 posts)This is war. This is not going to go away just because we ask pretty please. The scum of the earth has risen to the top and replaced the cream that was Barack Obama.
tblue37
(65,290 posts)frogmarch
(12,153 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Falling into their way of thinking is a trap.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)LakeArenal
(28,813 posts)As I wanted to stop using the term "nasty woman ". That is a gop term that I find offensive and want never to "stick". As a matter of fact, they have a whole vocabulary I wish would disappear. We can start with "republican".
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Right on point.
LOL Lib
(1,462 posts)Ruffles the repuke feathers. I embrace their evil and it can no longer be used as a weapon to minimize me or any other woman who does the same. Does it offend me if someone calls me a bitch? Nope! C word? NOPE! Once someone goes there I take pride in knowing that I occupy space in their head that they will never get back without serious introspection. Most are incapable of such a turnaround. They will waste their lives obsessed by thoughts of nasty women, while I forge a path littered with obstacles laid by old men long dead. I only fail when I allow one of those obstacles to halt my progress. Please do not give my enemies power by empowering their words.
LakeArenal
(28,813 posts)I just find it unnecessary to use many pejoratives in an exchange of ideas. Quite frankly I'm not a bitch or nasty. Whether some gop thinks I am is irrelevant to me. I know what space I take up in the universe. If they or you choose to use words as weapons that's up to you. You must feel their words have power. So you use them. I find them unessecarily negative. I wish it would go away. You don't. There you go.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Bumper sticker phrasing is short and to the point.
gopiscrap
(23,736 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Is for demagogues like Trump.
Obama never had to stoop that low.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Not the cries one expects to hear from an angry mob.
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randr
(12,409 posts)PatSeg
(47,374 posts)It really bothers me when Democrats imitate outrageous things that republicans do or say. Oh, I can't say that phrases like "Lock him up" don't pop in my head now and then, but I would hope that we would always try to take the high road. That doesn't mean we shouldn't fight back and fight hard, but with truth and principles, not lies and hate.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)My way of thinking.
That's why we are democrats.
PatSeg
(47,374 posts)The world sure doesn't need more "republicans"!
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)The energy associated with those words is the same energy that fuels their hate.
I want no part of it.
PatSeg
(47,374 posts)You shouldn't imitate that which you oppose. Unfortunately, we often do just that. It only fuels the hatred and creates an endless vicious cycle.
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FakeNoose
(32,620 posts)Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)When 3 gets your point across?
I'll stop using it when they ARE locked up.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)That's what they do.
MFM008
(19,804 posts)And we try to go high.
We lose.
We watch them run our lives and destroy
The planet.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Look at what's happening now.
Their dishonesty and greed are going to be their ruin.
GaYellowDawg
(4,446 posts)How many Republican governors and state legislatures are there vs 2008? What's the makeup of the House of Representatives? The Senate? Who's sitting in the White House? Which party was able to spit on the Constitution by holding the Supreme Court at 8 justices and steal a spot?
We may win in the long run, but we got immolated in the short run.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)And the first 100 days of his administration are going to give us both the house and senate back.
That's my prediction.
Then justice will take it's course, unobstructed
GaYellowDawg
(4,446 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)exboyfil
(17,862 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)And far more intelligent!
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)But if it makes you feel better "tRump for Prison 2017".
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Sheeesh
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I'm rather tired of the left either lifting their language, or even using it sarcastically (#MAGA!).
dawg
(10,622 posts)live just to throw people's stupid shit right back into their own damn faces.
LOCK HIM UP!
0rganism
(23,937 posts)i'll say this much: the GOP already has an easier time with messaging than Democrats.
which one rolls off the tongue at a political rally or protest?
"LOCK HIM UP"
or
"the perpetrators should face charges and be incarcerated on conviction"
try chanting each of them three times and see which one works out best for you.
hell, let's drop the tongue bit entirely. which one works better in a fund raising email?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Was an absolute master of explaining Democratic ideas in a language that the common man could understand.
I do not believe that our party should lower ourselves to the level of a demagogue.
JHan
(10,173 posts)Yeah, Bill was a great charismatic leader who was not a demagogue..
Because come rain or shine, we don't vote for demagogues.
Nothing we're doing here is remotely close to demagoguery.
We should not tone police ourselves in the face of a horror show of a presidency that wants to overrun every bit of progress we've had over the past 80 years.
We're just democrats enjoying some schadenfreude pie.
And it's a delicious pie:
1 cup dark brown sugar
1 cup dark corn syrup
1/2 cup molasses
1/2 cup (1 stick) butter
1/2 cup semi-sweet chocolate chips or chunks
3 large eggs (I used brown eggs in keeping with the spirit of things, but white eggs are fine)
2 teaspoons cinnamon
1 splash Kahlua or other coffee liqueur
1 graham cracker pie crust (9 or 10 inches). Choose regular or chocolate graham cracker crust according to taste.
Preheat your oven to 375 degrees (Fahrenheit). Melt butter in largish mixing bowl; add in corn syrup, molasses, brown sugar and cinnamon. Mix well. Melt chocolate; fold into existing mixture. Add eggs and Kahlua; mix vigorously until mix has an even consistency. Pour into pie crust (depending on size of crust you may have a little filling mix left over).
Shove into oven, center of middle rack, and bake for about 45 minutes. At 45 minutes, poke pie with butter knife. If butter knife comes out clean, your pie is done; otherwise give it about another five minutes.
Once you take the pie out of the oven, let it set at least 20 minutes before you dig in. Its really good when still warm, however.
Serving recommendations: small slices (this is an awesomely rich pie) and an ice cold glass of milk to go with it.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)For the absolutely wonderful recipe!
JHan
(10,173 posts)0rganism
(23,937 posts)when Democrats force ourselves to engage in disciplined nuanced communications, we put ourselves at a significant disadvantage competing against an opponent with considerable marketing expertise and no compunctions about aggressive sloganeering.
and when we funnel ideas through a select number of approved sources talented enough to express a body of such subtleties and details masterfully, we get accused of elitism.
our politicians should not feel bound to an overly complicated set of messages and talking points. even moreso, the people who bother to take time from their days to rally in support of our politicians should not feel those bindings. imho. i'm far more concerned about the tendency of our rallies and protests to erupt in violence -- vandalism of commercial districts followed by overzealous police response, driving an unhealthy distance between our various causes and the communities they would most benefit.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)With the examples of democratic ralllies erupting in violence with destruction of property.
0rganism
(23,937 posts)quite the opposite for the Trumpists
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)RoadhogRidesAgain
(165 posts)Wake the fuck up. Taking the high road is open invitation for the GOP to walk all over us.
It's time to fight fire with fire
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Completely agree. Being the well behaved adults on the stage has not served us at all. If we need to sink to their level to start winning and getting the message out, then so be it.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Winning two elections.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)If the other side is cheating, and we're "playing by the rules" to "set a good example" we will ALWAYS LOSE.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Because we took the high road.
We lost because of Russian interference supported by traitors in the Trump campaign.
And I promise you it will not end well for them.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)To disagree.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Than demagoguery and the GOP.
That we can govern effectively, as contrasted with the chaos we are witnessing now.
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)Break them on the wheel? Draw and quarter them? The last four are kind of harsh, but they may deserve it.
Wait, drown them slowly in hooker urine?
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)And an independent investigation?
You know, things that actually can happen.
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)"lock up." Silly me.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)That might show people who read this website to see how Democrats think and react, how we are completely unlike the Trump people and the GOP, not just the opposite side of the same coin.
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)But REASON is our most formidable weapon.
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Thanks.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)From the investigation.
If I am correct, his second is an Obama appointee.
Hopefully this person will have that power.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)I do follow the news.
liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)From throwing it.
We don't.
liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)to win. If it takes being mean, so be it. Enough of this not stooping to their level bullshit. This is war.
still_one
(92,118 posts)rights, women's rights, healthcare, and has so many conflicts of interests, it is pathetic. I have to shake my head and wonder about this concern.
blue neen
(12,319 posts)But, if you don't like it, come up with something better. Thanks.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)I like that better.
blue neen
(12,319 posts)You get three words. GO!
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)blue neen
(12,319 posts)Better get it down to three syllables....and hurry, by the looks of things, we're going to need it very soon.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Have a good night!
Fuck 'em
JHan
(10,173 posts)Lol.
Im outta fucks to give wirh those traitors.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Word for word, it fucks US.
nini
(16,672 posts)Those you talk about are hopeless and kissing their butts isn't going to help. If they've decided to align with those traitors me wanting throwing their words back at them to all be locked up wont' sway them.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)We will have to stop talking. You go first LOL
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)criminal mob friends colluded with the Russians and are eventually convicted of comitting a crime, they should be locked up.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)sheshe2
(83,728 posts)sheshe2
(83,728 posts)that wishes to pass legislation to mass murder millions of Americans so the richest 400 people will then see millions in tax cuts then yes, I want them locked up.
ACA Repeal Would Lavish Medicare Tax Cuts on 400 Highest-Income Households
Each Would Get Average Tax Cut of About $7 Million a Year
http://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/aca-repeal-would-lavish-medicare-tax-cuts-on-400-highest-income-households
That makes them murderers and thieves. Lock them up.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)sheshe2
(83,728 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Taking the low road didn't lead them to victory.
It led them to destruction.
GaYellowDawg
(4,446 posts)1. Trump and all the traitors in his campaign/administrationshould be locked up. Not pardoned, not put on probation, not put in some country club minimum security institution. They should behind thick bars with peeling paint and concrete floors. Locked. Up.
2. I want Trump voters smacked in their faces with their own words. I want them to realize, deep down, just how badly they messed up, and I want them constantly reminded with their own words. "Lock him up." "Is this how you MAGA?" "F**k your wall." If we don't, then it will be 4 years down the line and we'll hear about how Trump was a "Democrat plot" and how all the decent Trump people voted against him. They need to hear their own words hit them over and over and over so that denial is not an option.
3. Regarding "lockstep" - individualism is to be valued, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with party unity in the face of what we oppose. We don't have to be a herd of damn cats all the damn time. And not every chant - not even every purely emotional chant - is automatically equivalent to "Seig heil", and only a demagogue or a fucking idiot would claim that equivalence. Or do you think that "No more war!" - a purely emotional chant - is a Nazi chant? The term "Godwin's Law" is as terribly overused as Nazi analogies, but it applies here.
4. I'm guessing you completely missed the irony of telling us what we shouldn't say whilst claiming to combat lockstep. "Don't be in lockstep! But follow these rules for dialogue!"
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)"No More War"
"Yes We Can" =
Positive messages.
GaYellowDawg
(4,446 posts)It's OK to be in lockstep and chant, so long as you approve. That's what I thought your message was upon first reading, but thanks for confirming.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Or, in your case, red clay?
Have a great weekend.
GaYellowDawg
(4,446 posts)You have a great weekend, too.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)world wide wally
(21,740 posts)We are saying it based on justice.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)And I guess I'm not communicating my point of view well.
Hope you're enjoying some great spring weather!
Afromania
(2,768 posts)Put them on trial so we can lock them up.
dem4decades
(11,282 posts)Either would be fine with me. And I wouldn't mind singing a little ditty about treason either.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)It is to get a break from Trumps tweets and his supporters lies, not to hear something that was screamed by rabid Trump supporters at hatefests repeated word for word ad nauseum.
I really don't understand the problem, I guess.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)upsets your sensibilities.
WE AIN'T PLAYING TIDDLYWINKS.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Certainly doesn't play tiddlywinks (or even winkydinks!) and they certainly are doing a top notch job of exposing these traitorous scumbags.
When these folks have to take action to save us from a domestic/foreign coup, you know we are in grave danger.
My choice of words is pretty colorful too
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)with traitors and men who would steal from MEDICAID AND MEALS ON WHEELS.
No, you're right. No more "LOCK THEM UP!"
I'LL GO STRAIGHT TO "STRING THEM UP!"
Howzat?
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Both my medical coverage and my disability benefits.
I understand the emotional reactions completely.
The problem with allowing emotions free reign is that they are, by evolutionary nature, far more powerful than the rational part of our mind.
I feel that shifting the emphasis from the former to the latter is in our interests.
Emotion can motivate people to act, and that is good.
Acting without thinking strategically is bad.
Just my opinion.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)We're on a roll!
Btw, I'm honored by you posting on my thread.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)general (or acting attorney general), or historically, with the president."
Good luck with that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_prosecutor#Initiating_a_special_prosecutor_investigation
And BTW---this has zero to do with your topic.
P.S. Nobody likes any suggestion about curbing their speech. Capisce?
still_one
(92,118 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Plenty of room here for civil discussion.
Catherine Vincent
(34,488 posts)I didn't like it when those morons did it and we shouldn't respond in kind.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)The last thing I want to sound like is them.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)Because the President isn't the only TRAITOR in the White House...
HipChick
(25,485 posts)keep with general population in Prison?
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)At least a few of them, went to a minimum security fed prison in Pa. called Allenwood.
There is lots of info online about that.
However, incarcerated is still incarcerated.
It was surely an educational experience and a radical change of lifestyle for them.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)I hear what you're saying, I once was all for the high road myself.
But I'm 67 years old, and have fought this battle all my adult life. I've watched JFK, MLK, Jr., and RFK get shot down like dogs, as were 4 students at Kent State. I've lived through the lie that was Vietnam, and the "high crimes and misdemeanors" of the corrupt Nixon crew. Reaganomics, Iran-Contra, the insane hatred of the Clintons, an impeachment (lying about a blow job), the 2000 election fiasco, WMD and the Iraq invasion/occupation based on a LIE. Barack and Michelle Obama disrespected on a shameful scale that exposed a newer, more virulent strain of blind hatred and racism. And a nation now so ideologically divided that a solution or compromise is seriously in doubt. The final insult, a hate-spewing reality-show buffoon stealing an election by colluding with a hostile, totalitarian power. As things stand right now, the parallels to 1930s Germany are very real, and not some nutty conspiracy crap. We've got one foot planted in fascism. It's do-or-die time.
So forgive me if my emotions run hot, because as you can see by my history, there's a highly personal stake in seeing our country do what's right for its people. All of them, not just the uber-wealthy or privileged. I've been around long enough to observe that things are rolling backward. Our shared goal must be to change that.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Thank you and I am right beside you in this fight.
we can do it
(12,180 posts)Better?
JenniferJuniper
(4,510 posts)Traitorous bastards.
jrthin
(4,835 posts)Renew Deal
(81,852 posts)Chemisse
(30,807 posts)When they said it it was completely unjustified, and revealed that Trump followers respond with nothing more than blood thirst.
We are different and we should sound different. We have so much more to work with, Trump's offenses are very serious indeed, and we have the intellect to convey how dire the situation is without sounding like a lynch mob.
orangecrush
(19,516 posts)Exactly what I was driving at!
Cha
(297,123 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)orangecrush
(19,516 posts)In retrospect, this thread isn't really so much about three words, as it is about who we are.
Do we believe Michelle Obama's words about "taking the high road?"
Hunter S. Thompson once said that there was one good thing about Nixon - if you were against him, you could be sure you were on the high road.
Nixon and Trumps low road lead to destruction.
When we allow ourselves to get caught up in their adherents trap of fear and hate, the terrorists win.