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Tue Mar 28, 2017, 11:05 PM

We have got to change the narrative from climate change to the dangers of pollution

It is too easy for these dopes to say climate change is a hoax. That gets them out of a whole lot of responsibility as I see it.

We have to show them the damages that burning fossil fuels causes to their own families and especially children if we are going to get them to see anything differently. Even with that there are some, like Trump, who just don't give a shit about the toxins seeping into their kids. Money motivates them more than anything. But there are others who perhaps just need a clearer understanding of the immediate dangers of these toxins

We need to ask them how they feel about supporting government bills that create an unhealthy environment for their children or grandchildren. They need to know that money cannot protect them from the carcinogens that end up in our air, water and ground.

I would love to see an ad campaign like the ones they have now for smoking. They scare the shit out of you but I bet they are effective.

And I know a lot of people don't want to really look at these because it is freaking scary. But if we want them to see it we have to see it.

This site lists the 10 most dangerous toxins created from burning fossil fuels. I've copied the ones that I recognize and maybe others will recognize too.


I'm listing these by most recognized toxins. They are listed differently on the site


Benzene is a well-established carcinogen with specific links to leukemia as well as breast and urinary tract cancers. Exposure to benzene reduces red and white blood cell production in bone marrow; decreases auto-immune cell function (T-cell and B-cells); and has been linked to sperm-head abnormalities and generalized chromosome aberrations.


Fossil Fuel Source: Natural Gas
Formaldehyde is a carcinogen with known links to leukemia and rare nasopharyngeall cancers, according to the International Agency for Research on Cancer. Formaldehyde is highly toxic regardless of method of intake. It is a potent allergen and genotoxin. Studies have linked spontaneous abortions, congenital malformations, low birth weights, infertility, and endometriosis to formaldehyde exposure. Epidemiological studies link exposure to formaldehyde to DNA alteration. It is also contributes to ground-level ozone.


Fossil Fuel Source: Coal
Mercury is a dangerous neurotoxin. It damages the brain and the nervous system either through inhalation, ingestion, or contact with the skin. It is particularly dangerous to pregnant women and children. It is known to disrupt the development of the in-vitro brain. In low doses, mercury may affect a child’s development, delaying walking and talking, shortening attention span, and causing learning disabilities. High dose prenatal and infant exposures to mercury can cause mental retardation, cerebral palsy, deafness and blindness. In adults, mercury poisoning can adversely affect fertility and blood pressure regulation and can cause memory loss, tremors, vision loss, and numbness of the fingers and toes.


Fossil Fuel Use: Natural Gas
Radon is a colorless, odorless, tasteless radioactive gas which causes lung cancer. It is the second largest cause of lung cancer in the US after cigarette smoking. About 20,000 people per year die from lung cancer attributed to radon exposure according to the National Cancer Institute. Further, there is no known threshold below which radon exposures carries no risk.

Silica (Silicon Dust/Fracking Sand)

Fossil Fuel Source: Natural Gas 
Crystalline silica (“frac sand”) is a known human carcinogen; breathing silica dust can lead to silicosis, a form of lung disease with no cure.
Silica is commonly used, in huge amounts, during fracking operations. Each stage of the process requires hundreds of thousands of pounds of silica quartz–containing sand. Millions of pounds may be used for a single well.


This site talks about how children's health will improve if we clean up the air


Among the conclusions: by reducing air pollution we will see fewer babies born at low birth weight, and fewer children suffering from asthma and neurodevelopmental problems such as lower IQ and ADHD. Lowered emissions of CO2 and mitigation of climate change will reduce the number of children dying as a result of floods and drought, and fewer children will suffer from heat stress, malnutrition, infectious disease, respiratory illness, and mental illness from displacement, social, and political instability.
Reducing dependence on fossil fuels is a "moral imperative," according to Perera. "We can advocate and we can act. We can cite the scientific and economic evidence and advocate for harmonized and holistic environmental and climate policies at the community, state and global health--policies that place the wellbeing of children at their center. In our individual lives, we can reduce our carbon footprints by avoiding burning in the home, by buying locally grown foods, driving energy-efficient vehicles and using public transportation where possible. And through our consumer power we can help shape markets toward green products produced sustainably."

Fossil fuel combustion endangers children's health in two significant ways: Scientist reviews the evidence
Children are vulnerable to toxic air pollution and the stressors of climate change
June 21, 2016
Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health
Fossil fuel combustion and associated air pollution and carbon dioxide has been identified as the root cause of much of the ill health of children today. Because of their inherent biological vulnerability, children now bear a disproportionate burden of disease from both pollution and climate change.


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Maraya1969 Mar 2017 OP
lostnfound Mar 2017 #1
Maraya1969 Mar 2017 #4
jimlup Mar 2017 #2
Moostache Mar 2017 #3
jimlup Mar 2017 #5
Maraya1969 Mar 2017 #6
jimlup Mar 2017 #8
Amaryllis Mar 2017 #7

Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Tue Mar 28, 2017, 11:18 PM

1. Also perhaps showing smog in other cities around the world...

Pointing out that US air is more breathable than china because our laws have protected us, and how effective renewables can be, America as leader into the future, we don't need to fall behind

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 28, 2017, 11:37 PM

4. Good point

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Tue Mar 28, 2017, 11:21 PM

2. I respectfully disagree

while fossil fuel toxins are bad they are not bad enough to change anything. The fossil fuel industry has made a living by denying climate change. Yet it is very real and a very serious threat to our way of life. We have no choice but to continue to push the correct science. Eventually, the facts will prevail. Let's hope it is soon enough that our grandchildren will actually have a reasonable world when they are adults.

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Response to jimlup (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 28, 2017, 11:30 PM

3. Grandchildren of the adults today will HATE us...

Their world is going to be a dystopian hell hole of resource wars, famine, massive genocides (sanctioned by the West to eliminate 'surplus' population in India and China) and basically the beginnings of a future Mad Max-esque further future. They are likely to be the last generation of humanity born into a stable, modern civilization because by the end of their lives, things are going to be really, really bad.

We had a chance to avoid all of this starting back in the oil embargo and the 1970's. We have Reagan to thank for destroying that chance and every Republican since has been equally awful for the environment at the behest of big business.

I know that I am very sorry for the plight they will suffer and have penned my confession/apology to them and left it in my safe deposit box. I hope I am wrong, but I know better because I can interpret scientific papers and data well enough to know when reports are intentionally emphasizing one plausible conclusion over a MORE plausible one. The climate is destabilized ALREADY and the amount of warming already baked into the equations is more than enough to trigger the feedback loops and worst effects TODAY.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 28, 2017, 11:40 PM

5. Well said


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Response to jimlup (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 28, 2017, 11:47 PM

6. Did you read the links? Because there is a reason why asthma, ADHD and other neurological

disorders in children are concurring at a much higher rate than before.

The one site talked about Fort LeJune where soldiers were exposed to Benzene and how they are having bad effects now. One of them is a friend of mine. Every single one of the people she knows from that time in the army has immunological disorders and strange diseases. Now she is having this thing where her bones are breaking because they are not getting enough blood, (something like that).

My point is , yea climate change is terrifying but these people are DENSE. And they have found a way around climate change by saying it is a hoax. But they can't hoax out benzene and maybe the fact that their kid has asthma or ADHD

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 29, 2017, 10:51 PM

8. Yes I understand

but I believe we have no choice but to push on with the climate change issue as well. It isn't either or and climate change is about to bite back hard. We need to meet the 2050 Paris Agreement goals. It will require multiple energy resources and good sound strategy to actually do that.

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Response to jimlup (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 28, 2017, 11:51 PM

7. We can push both. OP has a good point that there are people who will relate to polllution who

don't relate to climate change. We don't want our air to get as bad as China's, etc.

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