Jesus... 'Paul Ryan: Repeal Health Law Because Rights Come From God' - Rawstory

[WillyT]

Paul Ryan: Repeal health law because rights come from God
By David Edwards - Rawstory
Sunday, July 1, 2012 11:55 EDT

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Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) is arguing that President Barack Obama’s health care reform law should be repealed because rights come from “nature and God,” not the government.

During an interview on ABC, former Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy’s widow, Victoria Kennedy, told host George Stephanopoulos that the Supreme Court had made the right decision by upholding the Affordable Care Act.

“This health care reform was the cause of my husband’s life,” she explained. “He believed that it was a moral issue, that it defined the character of who we were as a society, who we were as a country, and that decent quality, affordable health care should be fundamental right and not a privilege.”

But Ryan rejected Kennedy’s assertion and promised to completely undo the law.

“We’re going to repeal the entire law and then we’re going to advance patient-centered reforms that address these kinds of issues,” the Wisconsin Republican said.

“I think this at the end of the day is a big philosophy difference,” he continued. “What Ms. Kennedy and others were saying is that this is a new government-granted right. We disagree with the notion that our rights come from government, that the government can now grant us and define our rights. Those are ours, they come from nature and God, according to the Declaration of Independence — a huge difference in philosophy.”

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Link (w/Video): http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/01/paul-ryan-repeal-health-law-because-rights-come-from-god/

[msongs]

1. republican "Patient centered reforms" = get sick and die to preserve profits nt

[livetohike]

2. He's insane n/t

[warrior1]

3. he's out of his fucking mind

[Bluerthanblue]

4. then there are no such things as "illegal aliens"- because

the right to live and work is something 'god' granted.

And there is no "right" to own property. that right is also god given.

[Live and Learn]

36. And we have the right to grow medicinal plants ourselves.

Surely that is a God given right.

[handmade34]

63. +1

[Volaris]

74. It also means there The Govt. can't

deny a Person (ANY Person) things like Habeas Corpus or Due Process, REGARDLESS of whether or not that Person is a Papered Citizen, or Foreign National, or Enemy (non)Combatant.

If the Constitution merely codifies Natural, God-Given Human Rights into a Governmentally-Enforceable Law Code, (as Paul Ryan insists it does) then everyone of those guys rotting in Gitmo need to be either charged with a crime, released into the custody of the Judaical System, and given their Due Process, or released IMMEDIATELY.

Unless that understanding of the Constitution only is allowed to work in PAUL RYAN'S political favor. (Which, natch, is exactly what he is getting at. Because he's an intellectual lightweight, a propaganda whore, and an overall fucker of Mothers.)

[madmom]

5. Maybe ryan should forgo any healthcare when he and his family gets sick and let god handle it!

[thelordofhell]

6. Hey ryan.........Jesus HEALED the sick!!

[CTyankee]

17. Yup. Seems to me that for the "son of God" healing the sick was on the top of his agenda...

A biggie on the "to do" list.

[ChazII]

60. And he did it for free. n/t

[CJCRANE]

7. "We disagree with the notion that our rights come from government,

that the government can now grant us and define our rights. Those are ours, they come from nature and God, according to the Declaration of Independence — a huge difference in philosophy.” (Italics and bold are mine).

Um....then what exactly is the U.S. Constitution?

He hasn't really though this through...

[dtom67]

39. Republican Alzheimers disease

Doubting Thomas : " Hey Paul ! finish this sentence: ' I love the Bill of .....' "

PRyan: "Bill of sale!"

DTom: I know you love money, but that is the wrong answer. Try again

pryan: " Bill of fights!"

DT: I know you hate anyone who isn't rich, but that is the wrong answer. Try again.

cryanpryan: " Bill of Toucan Sam !"

DT: I know you are fruit loops, but you are wrong again.Try....
on second thought; shut the fuck up Paul Ryan !!!

Note: Doubting Thomas has never met mister Ryan and no such conversation has ever occurred. I would like to meet him, but only so I could kick his ass around the F'ing block.

[kentuck]

8. In the movie, Great Balls of Fire...

Jerry Lee Lewis gave his cousin, Rev Jimmy Swaggart, a new piano. When Jimmy Swaggart shouted out, "Thank you Jesus!", Jerry Lee said, " Don't thank Jesus. Thank Jerry Lee!"

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Ok I will ask, is Paul Ryan a member of the Opus Dei

no, I am not kidding. That is classic far right Catholic thinking.

Well CNN does answer that question partially

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/23/opinion/stanley-conservatives-catholics/index.html

[pnwmom]

31. Thanks for the interesting link.n/t

[white_wolf]

10. Anyone who thinks rights come from God should read the damn Bible.

God wouldn't even give his people the right to eat shellfish, pork, or wear certain types of clothes.

[Waiting For Everyman]

11. And if that were true...

there would be no such thing as rights of corporations, or corporations' existence at all for that matter. Or does Ryan think corporations were mentioned on Moses' stone tablets somewhere?

So did they come from nature, or God? I'd like to hear Ryan enlighten us on that.

[malaise]

12. So what was he doing hugging up that atheist Rand

Fuck off Paul Ryan!

[cascadiance]

67. Here's the real god that Ryan does his f'ing communion with!

Just like he followed hypocrite Ayn Rand who took Medicare and Social security under her husband's name when she was dying of cancer from her tobacco habit which she claimed didn't come from smoking.

Just like he follows these Koch bums who's father got most of their family's fortune from cavorting with Joseph Stalin financially, who they also turn their backs on.

and just like that f'ing Ryan did himself when he SPITS on the same people that helped give him Social Security survivor benefits to finance his education that gave him his future then that he wants to take away from everyone else!

He and all of his Republican f buddies just want to bring back corporate health insurance DEATH PANELS and therefore to help them in their mission to kill off poor people that they love stealing wealth from and justify it in any way possible.

[malaise]

70. For real

Love it

[undeterred]

13. And God wants the 60 million uninsured to suffer and die.

[muriel_volestrangler]

32. Yes, that is the Republican Credo

I'd love someone to ask them exactly where they've got an enumerated list of rights from God from, so that they can say health isn't among them.

Maybe they think the Texas Republican Party Manifesto is divinely inspired?

[AngryOldDem]

52. It's His will, after all.

(as if it's needed)

[cascadiance]

68. Republicans are the ones that want to us to RETAIN corporate health insurance death panels!

[BumRushDaShow]

14. "according to the Declaration of Independence"

WTF? This is a government that was established by The U.S. Constitution, ratified some 11 years later idiot.

Was he trying to tie his illiterate remarks to July 4? Will he now start saying that Paul Revere rode around yelling "Give me Liberty or give me Death" too?

We the people, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty, to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution of the United States of America.

[muriel_volestrangler]

40. Even in the Declaration we have:

all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

and then, for the first greivance:

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good

So the Declaration is clear that the rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness (which are not the only rights - 'among these') need to be secured by government, and that government must pass laws for the public good.

[BumRushDaShow]

46. But if you continue to use the Declaration as a citation rather than the Constitution

the lunatics will ultimately continue to cherry-pick from it. For instance, this -

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

where the "ends" would be defined solely by them and not any sane person. It seems they want to foment something with their relentless propaganda and talking points, in an attempt to eventually associate the President with King George III.

I.e., the Declaration was addressing the colonial system of the time and the Constitution defines the current system.

[zbdent]

15. Let's have Mr. Ryan go over to Iran and such

and see how much he likes his "rights" over there ... and how well God intervenes in keeping him alive.

[Scootaloo]

35. He has a dick and screams about god an awful lot

He'll do fine in Iran.

Provided he doesn't shave too close to the skin.

[zbdent]

76. oh, I forgot ...

remind those he'll be around that he's one of the ones who wants to nuke them ...

[TeamPooka]

16. then grant the people the rights you say come from God Rep. Ryan

instead of fighting them off.
Hypocrite.

[Bluerthanblue]

18. all laws should be repealed given that thinking-

except for the one about not eating from the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Which was broken long ago. ???

He makes absolutely no sense with this argument.

[kentuck]

21. He's talking like that dumbass, Romney...

"Freedom and opportunity" are not going to feed your kids when they are hungry.

Is it a "God-given right" to be without a job for 2 to 3 years?

Ryan, can you please just shut the fuck up?

[Bluerthanblue]

27. freedom and opportunity

aren't going to remove the cancerous lesion either.

More than him shutting up, I wash people would actually stop, listen and realize what garbage he is speaking.

WTF is wrong with people that they can support him?

[cheri010353]

22. He doesn't have to make sense.

His audience has been conditioned to just accept and absorb whatever their leaders (God's chosen ones) spew without question. If you question or doubt you will be condemned to Hell.

[TwilightGardener]

19. I'd like to see those "patient-centered reforms". Why not advance them NOW?

If it's the same BS like medical savings accounts, or coupons, or "interstate insurance options", etc., then we're right back to square one: people can't afford health care without insurance, and people can't always get or keep or even afford insurance.

[NavyDavy]

20. then they shouldn't have a problem paying taxes.....

didn't Jesus say give unto Caesars what is Caesars and give unto God what is Gods?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

23. What a loon!!!!

[ashling]

24. I agree with Ryan that the ACA is not really "patient centered"

Last edited Sun Jul 1, 2012, 04:19 PM - Edit history (1)

A truly "patient centered" system would be truly universal healthcare like in Europe you idiot!

[BootinUp]

25. Somebody save us from these nutbags.

[Solly Mack]

26. What an idiot.

[Phlem]

28. The worst part is

their base will fall for this. That just makes my stomach turn.

We are fighting willful ignorance folks. Arrogant, faithfully, willfully, ignorant republicans. They're everywhere, and I'd bet there's at least one in every family.



-p

[spanone]

29. heartless, soulless. it's beyond a huge difference in philosophy,

it's a huge difference in Humanity.

and they speak of God...what comedy/tragedy

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

30. God = Ayn Rand

[RKP5637]

33. As usual, often what they say is a WTF, because they are unbalanced people and are

often sociopaths. We have a fair number of sociopaths IMO moving up the ladder. Run away capitalism and the god-thing in the US anymore gives them free reign to advance with willing lemmings and the ever-faithful.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. Which one? "Man is the only animal to have discovered the One True God...several of them" Twain

[ArcticFox]

37. so let's just repeal the whole government

oh wait, he would probably do that too.

[LiberalFighter]

38. What rights do believers have related to their religion?

Or how about the rights expressed in the 10 Commandments?

Seems to me it is all about what they can't do vs what they can do.

[tawadi]

41. Good God

Maybe that is not the appropriate expression.

[sulphurdunn]

42. Rights from where?

"We have rights because we conceived them, asserted them, fought for them and created the machinery for protecting them. Our basic document of government, the Constitution, begins with "We the People," not "We the Worshipers."

Edd Doerr,
President, Americans for Religious Liberty

[Marrah_G]

43. These people are out of their fucking minds

[The Wizard]

44. Some say

Paul Ryan should be on the wrong end of a sucker punch. No matter what, he'll always be a jerkoff.

[Frustratedlady]

45. OK, so how many times have we seen charges filed...

against parents who let "God handle" their child's illness? How many times has the court taken over and given the state the right to treat that child?

How many times has the child died waiting for God to handle it?

[perdita9]

48. Ryan's an idiot

[perdita9]

47. Paul Ryan needs to read the US Constitution...

...and stop taking his policy ideas from the Bible.

[AngryOldDem]

51. I'm convinced that most of these assholes must have failed high school civics.

They know so little about both.

Another gem from this morning: Ryan said that we should have access to insurance coverage. Big difference between that and actual medical care.

I love it when these so-called "Christians" show their true colors.

[NC_Nurse]

49. says the guy with govt healthcare benefits....he's the ultimate hypocrite.

[rurallib]

50. Is there a mental health provision in the ACA

Ryan needs a few sessions to become human

[HereSince1628]

53. Government derives its authority from the consent of the governed, it follows that rights

granted by the government therefor are also derived from the consent of the governed.

[One of the 99]

54. Paul Ryan is an evil little man nt

[Jim__]

55. Disease and death also come from god. By fighting against them we are defying god's will.

Clearly, Obama is the AntiChrist.

[ThoughtCriminal]

56. Well if that's the case

I guess the whole Constitution is void. Can't have rights from man.

[Skidmore]

57. I posted on this this morning. Push back on this evil.

And it is evil. In their estimation you have rights only if you are white, rich, christian, and healthy. We also need to start associating another term with them--social Darwinists--as well as religious bigots of the first order. Why is our side so reluctant to fight fire with fire?

[amerciti001]

62. Good Question...

Why(?) are we so reluctant to stand up to these Bigots and Racists? Are we that timid? Heck, these same people( like Paul Ryan), are essentially saying- to kill off as many of you low class parasites, we'll deny you any health coverage to achive this means to and end.

As former Rep.Alan Grayson said "If you get sick-die quickly"

(

)

This is the Health Plan that the Republicans really want.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

58. So then, why, as a nation, do we not do those things God wants us to do?

If among our inalienable rights (given by God, Ryan says), are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and some folks of Mr. Ryan's ilk are all into that "right to life" (which apparently applies only before you're born), why are we depriving so many people of life - one of those pesky inalienable rights - by making access to health care impossible? Isn't that making baby Jesus cry?

[rrHeretic]

59. So which is it asshole?

Do our rights come from the magical bunny in the sky or from nature?

[elbloggoZY27]

61. Unreality in the GOP

This stuff about repealing Health Care Reform is about a real disconnect between the GOP and the citizens of the United States. These folks who took the oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies domestic and foreign are clueless. Those members of the Congress and Senate who hate the President and want to defy this great Document are the enemies of us all. They are putting politics out front of the people's welfare. 20 some million citizens do not have health care and these so called Representatives are standing in their way.

In my opinion there not a one of them that represent my views on this very subject and they have Health Care Plans.

So my suggestion to them is do us all a favor and just opt out of your Government Health Insurance Plans immediately and resign from Congress.

On Friday last in a 5-4 Supreme Court decision Justice Roberts stood up for the PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES. The GPO circus antics since that decision are repulsive to Veterans like myself who fought for the United States and put this Country First before ourselves.

[progressivebydesign]

64. Whenever i think they couldn't get more vile...

Ryan steps up to the plate and hits a home run. Hmmm.. like someone posted above, then there should be no illegal immigrants, because God didn't specifically say that people didn't have the right to go between countries. Problem solved.

And that tool is in the running for VP??? I hope that his quotes make it into the MSM eventually.. it's a pity that millions of Americans are deprived the privilege of finding out what total assholes the republicans are.

[proReality]

65. God runs an insurance company?

News to me.

[ladym55]

66. Why is our government filled with jerks who don't understand our government?

Li'l Paul forgot to study high school civics. There he might have learned about that quaint document known as the Constitution.

The Founding Fathers would bitch slap these right-wing Republicans for yapping about a Christian god constantly. The Founding Fathers purposely left god out of the government because it was such an epic fail in Europe. (Guess Li'l Paul didn't study history either.)

The big frustration is that these are right-wing dog whistles. Their base of uneducated, born-again whites will hear this same garbage from Pastor Bubba when he isn't harping about abortion bein' murder and Jesus opposing labor unions and gays bein' an abomination ... and they will buy it.

They will tell you with a straight face that it will be a "challenge" for us to deal with our personal health care and hold cookie sales when a church member's child gets cancer and uses up the family's life-time insurance benefits. I realize that ACA eliminates this last part, but trust me, I've heard so much about these pokey fund-raisers for families left destitute by health care crises, and they make me angry.

[kestrel91316]

69. .......including the right to die without ever once being able to pay to see a doctor.......

I fervently wish poverty and long, painful, lingering illness on this man.

[Snarkoleptic]

71. The Christo-Taliban is alive and well in America.

Seems odd since he's a huge Ayn Rand devotee. I suspect he's cloaking himself with jeebus-speak to lock-in the gullible single issue voters.
Who would Jesus deny healthcare?

[EC]

72. Wow, Paul...

doesn't the Constitution guarantee those rights that are already given?

[jwirr]

73. Ryan does not know much about in Bible. According to tradition the Apostle Mark was a physician.

So what was he doing working with Jesus?

[WillyT]

75. Evening Kick !!!