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An Iowa state representative has caused a furor online by asserting that women who miscarry after 20 weeks of pregnancy should have to carry their fetuses to term.
Shannon Lundgrens comments came during a hearing this week on Senate File 471, which would pave the way for a state ban on abortions after the 20-week mark. The Iowa House of Representatives Human Resources Committee approved the legislation after a fetal heartbeat bill that would have banned abortion any time after a heartbeat is detectedas early as six weeks of pregnancywas scrapped. The legislation is now under consideration by the Iowa House, and if it becomes law, Iowa would be the 18th state to ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy.
Lundgren, the manager of Senate File 471, represents rural Dubuque and ran for office on an anti-abortion platform. She was asked by state Representative John Forbes if, under the proposal, his daughter, who is 20 weeks pregnant, would have to carry her child to term even if a doctor told her there was no longer a heartbeat. Is that good medicine? asked Forbes.
This bill wasnt written for the intent to protect or govern on the side of the woman. It was written to save babies lives, giving the choice and being the voice of those babies...that dont have one, replied Lundgren. I understand what youre sayingthis fetus, this baby, is not alive. I would concur that in that instance, if your daughters life is not in danger, that yes, she would have to carry that baby.
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http://www.newsweek.com/iowa-abortion-shannon-lundgren-miscarriage-dead-fetus-term-577289
Fucking nutcase
Needs to be slapped with a dead fetus.
SharonAnn
(13,771 posts)MFM008
(19,803 posts)Desperate to have kids found hers died at almost 5 months in utero. Drs were in no hurry to remove it even though it was dead I forget why. After a couple weeks they induced labor.
She eventually had 2 but I still remember that.
Oh by the way. Do a Google on " stone babies". You won't believe it.
niyad
(113,029 posts)a normal pregnancy. shortly before she was due, routine exam showed that the umbilical cord had disconnected, and the fetus was, in fact, dead. she was forced to wait until she went into labor a week later, going through 28 hours of labor-- to deliver a dead fetus. she never fully recovered.
honeylady
(157 posts)My baby died in utero at 8 months. The doctors wanted my body to do what comes naturally and I was forced to carry it for another 3 weeks. They finally induced labor after my feet and hands started to swell badly. A woman cannot carry a dead fetus for any length of time before she becomes poisoned by necrotic matter. These people are ghoulish.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)this is FUCKING disgusting. I despise these people.
Girard442
(6,063 posts)unblock
(52,113 posts)it's always been about controlling women.
so there's zero benefit to the fetus of being carried to term? they're not going to let that stop them from controlling women anyway!
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)LisaM
(27,792 posts)Who elects these idiots?
niyad
(113,029 posts)LisaM
(27,792 posts)I am also sick of the narrative - and the gaslighting that took place last year - that it's not important to have a woman president.
It's very important. It's probably the overriding issue of my life at this moment, and I fear I'm never going to see it.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)get the red out
(13,460 posts)Very theocratic, they probably envy Iran.
Wounded Bear
(58,584 posts)niyad
(113,029 posts)Marthe48
(16,894 posts)and not carry them to next term. What a total dumbass, corn-fed dumbass.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,540 posts)But only if said in private, that she has the 'corn cob up her ass' look.
niyad
(113,029 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)dalton99a
(81,386 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)a dead fetus removed from their bodies?
Does she know that dead fetuses do not grow to term?
Its not just that they control women - they don't have basic knowledge of biology.
niyad
(113,029 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)That's even more appalling.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,391 posts)and there's nothing left to save?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)an idiotic position? I swear, these people go OUT OF THEIR WAY to be as stupid as humanly possible.
lostnfound
(16,161 posts)Labor and delivery always carries an element of risk. We literally take our lives in our hands every time we become pregnant and chose to try to bring a new baby into the world.
Why endanger a woman's life for absolutely no benefit?
Of course I know why - because women's lov s are less valuable, less worthy of protection and less important. Not just less than a dead fetus. Less than nothing especially if we cannot procreate.
eShirl
(18,477 posts)Lungren: no it's not, it's pinin' for the fjords
I laughed.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)can be some of the most twisted people.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,576 posts)the woman can become seriously ill:
But who cares about women?
Docreed2003
(16,846 posts)A "Dead Fetus" is dead tissue...Dead tissue makes people really sick. You couldn't carry a "dead fetus" to term because mom would be in septic shock or dead herself. Fuck these morons. They want the world to think just like them and be just as ignorant.
Jonny Appleseed
(960 posts)If you're against abortion on religious grounds then not supporting removing a dead fetus is the the same as Christians that don't believe in medicine or operations. Which is obviously a religious belief and unconstitutional.
Girard442
(6,063 posts)If an OB/GYN removes a dead fetus, it might be sometimes difficult to prove that the fetus was truly dead. The forced-birthers figure that it's OK to put the lives of many women in jeopardy to disallow the rare situation where a live fetus is aborted but the doctor claims it had died before the procedure.
The message remains crystal-clear -- women's lives count for nothing.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,391 posts)if they weren't pretty damned sure that the fetus is, in fact, dead. It's not like women are just going around ripping fetuses out of their own body and claiming that they were already dead, right?
Girard442
(6,063 posts)...and nobody will go to jail for it. Any pregnancy that doesn't result in a live birth is, to them, likely a criminal act that someone tried to cover up. In their fevered imaginations, OB/GYNs will just do terminations willy-nilly and state after the fact that the fetus was not alive.
OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)of losing a child or known anyone who was. I miscarried at 10 weeks and can't believe for a minute there was any way the doctor could have kept my body from doing what it was going to do on its own. She is a hateful, sadist - neither of which is ordinarily associated w/ being "good" Christian.
Johonny
(20,817 posts)That replace a simple yes answer, because she can't say yes and she knows it.
Vinca
(50,236 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)There was a very sad example of this about a year and a half ago when a young pregnant woman (about 18) who lived in North Carolina experienced the passing of the child in her womb. No doctor in NC would abort because of the fear of being confronted by the state for doing so.
After a short time, the girl's grandfather became so upset over the whole situation he put his granddaughter in his car and drove to the Washington, DC area. He stopped at a hospital emergency room and told the personnel there what had happened. The young woman was immediately taken to be treated, but she was left without the ability to ever have children.
The Federal Government and State governments have no business interfering in these situations. But if they are going to comment, they should educate themselves on the facts so they do not mislead other woman possibly in the same situation. Additional comments like Lundgren made simply demonstrate a willingness to ignore the health and well-being of mothers in this situations. This must stop. Vote them out of office.
Sam
WoonTars
(694 posts)...
burnbaby
(685 posts)in the 80s. Apparently her placenta would stop growing at 8 months, so the fetus would die. They made her wait until she went into labor. It was terrible. I thought my cousin was going to have a nervous break down.
I would sit with her for hours back then... It took its toll on her, one I think you can only understand if you have been there
sinkingfeeling
(51,436 posts)the fetus is expelled from the womb. If a fetus dies in the womb and passes through the birth canal, it is a 'stillbirth'.
Carrying a dead fetus in the womb for months, could result in the death of the mother.
samnsara
(17,604 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)The traditional weasel word non-apology.
This from a woman makes even more of a disgrace.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)probably believes in killing witches too.
Turn CO Blue
(4,221 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Warpy
(111,123 posts)and see how much he enjoys the experience.
dae
(3,396 posts)Love it!
littlemissmartypants
(22,540 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,073 posts)You wouldn't be saving a fetus, you ignorant fuckwit. You'd be forcing a woman to carry around a corpse inside of her body.
I am so fucking sick of these people.