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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLike all other wingers, Pence's dining abstinence rule is all about his own dick...
He's clearly concerned about contracting Winger Wandering PeePee Syndrome, especially while helping to destroy America in that Loose Jezebel infested Sodom and Gomorrah known as Washington D.C.
Pence's outrageously sexist discrimination against the opposite gender is problematic on two separate conditions:
One: As an elected public official, he's most likely breaking Federal statutes against gender discrimination.
But Two: As an ostensibly straight male, his guideline is singularly based on his own attraction to women.
Think about this for a moment. What kind of mindset are we dealing with here? For one, he would have a lot in common with men who force women to wear burkas, men who blame women for being raped because of what they're wearing and pretty much most of the male characters in "A Handmaid's Tale."
If Pence were hypothetically gay (go ahead and laugh) and said that he wouldn't dine alone with other men, that behavior would still based on his own ideas about who he's sexually attracted to. Either way, none of it would be in consideration of the other person.
Let's also consider that, either way, he's not even regarding the likelihood that those singular men or women diners wouldn't be sexually attracted to his regression enhanced replicant ass. It's all about him.
Pence just basically outed his own sick mindset with this bullshit. As if we didn't know that about him before.
He's one scary motherfucker... Gawd help us is he replaces Cheetolini.
FDT&MP.
Vinca
(50,170 posts)forced to dine alone with him. Old Pence needs to locate a time machine because he's definitely not from this century.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Somehow women are the ones whose lives suffer W because of shot like this. Ugh.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)He says he won't dine with women in places where alcohol is served.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Volaris
(10,260 posts)What a fucking worthless excuse for a grown ass Man.
Mariana
(14,849 posts)without his wife present, apparently. I think the dining alone with women thing and the alcohol thing are separate issues. What they have in common is that his wife gets to babysit him in both instances. He's made it her responsibility to make sure he doesn't lose control, with women and with alcohol. I wonder what other temptations she has to protect him from.
He had infidelity problems before when drunk. This is the deal his wife made with him for her to stay with him.
I just can't wrap my head around it any other way.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,482 posts)dchill
(38,321 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)his dick might be wandering. The worst homophobes usually have inclinations they can't handle.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)sheshe2
(83,341 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Why even say anything about this in public? I've been aware of Billy Graham's personal rule for years about not being alone with any woman not his wife. Say what you will about it, Graham never had a Jimmy Swaggart or Jim Bakker problem. It precludes any gossip and considerably reduces the chances of a false accusation or blackmail. But that's the life for a charismatic and handsome preacher.
But for a politician to adopt the rule and talk about it in public? What's the point? It invites scrutiny, begs for ridicule, and gives the appearance of smug sanctimony. If Pence is ever caught in a compromising position, it will increase his embarrassment exponentially. Just conduct yourself in accordance with your own personal rule, and the chances are really good that nobody would even notice.
dmr
(28,321 posts)Why? Who cares? Everything seems to boil down to sex with these people.
What's the point of broadcasting any of this? It's not anyone's business.
If late one night, in the White House, Ivanka says, "Hey, Mike, let's go down to the kitchen and make a ham sandwich", all he has to say is "no, thanks".
He need not say any more. His current explanation is pretty repulsive.
(besides, can Ivanka even make a ham sandwich?)
rurallib
(62,346 posts)I sometimes think they get off on money more than sex.
Bettie
(15,998 posts)seriously, I doubt any of these people even dress themselves.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Thinking he is now a "leader" and others will do as he does. That helps put women back in their place.
VOX
(22,976 posts)What a fuckwad. Can't stand that overly cared-for face and hair.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)I'm playing armchair psychologist, but he strikes me as Rick Santorum 2.0. He tries so much to show how macho and straight he is but he's really got something to hide. He's homophobic to prove he's not gay.
The other person he sort of reminds me of is sexual predator Josh Duggar, who had a very strict upbringing and even stricter rules regarding the 'courtship of his wife' (the TV show was a guilty pleasure, forgive me). While dating, they were only allowed to 'side hug' and never were allowed in the same room alone. When he put a ring on it, they were allowed to hold hands. Their first kiss was at the altar. Years later, it's clear he doesn't love her (finds some on the side via Ashley Madison) but she's spineless and stands by her man. Knocks her up to prove a point.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,737 posts). . .solve the problem right then and there. . .
meow2u3
(24,745 posts)That's how we deal with our pets because they're incapable of self-control.
If he wants to act like an animal, why not treat him like an animal? No self-control? No nads for you!
DinahMoeHum
(21,737 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,788 posts)klook
(12,134 posts)they want my precious bodily fluids.
ellie
(6,928 posts)IndianaDave
(611 posts)And for him to bring it up publicly tells me that he thinks it's a sign of being virtuous. But I think he's a really odd, socially underdeveloped person. Or, even better, what you said!
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)To protect them both from all the "Sluts" lurking around every corner....
This is one really perverse pair.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Turbineguy
(37,212 posts)Every woman on the Planet wants to jump in bed with him.
Obviously.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)EL34x4
(2,003 posts)In the Machiavellian world of Washington DC where his every move is watched by people who want to buy him, blackmail him, defeat him and destroy him, he doesn't want to have to explain cover photos on the National Enquirer of himself dining out with women who aren't his wife.
I'm sure there's many politicians in DC who adhere to this same policy (and many more who wish they had).
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)stainless steel kitchens?)
IronLionZion
(45,259 posts)the Vanilla ISIS or Ya'll Qaeda will probably piss off enough of the low tax and pro-war factions of the GOP and split them apart.
Pence is doing something behind the shadows of Orange Shitler who makes headlines. It would be best to get rid of both of them at the same time and deal with Paul Ryan until we can win election again.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)SunSeeker
(51,369 posts)brush
(53,473 posts)No, Pence, your stick-up-the-ass-prudery is such a huge turn off it's LOL funny.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)However.
There are professional issues here. Yes, Michael Pence, there ARE professional women. Bottom line, if you have a business lunch and women are involved in whatever the lunch is about, you HAVE to have them at the table.
Gawd, I hate religious wackos.
christx30
(6,241 posts)dining with women professionally at all. He just doesn't want to dine alone. So if Sharon wants to have a business dinner, Mike, Joe, Steven, Sarah, and Jennifer have to join them. I see no problem with a business meeting with everyone in the office.
Tabloids can be vicious when it comes to "I saw so-and-so out to dinner with a certain intern." Watch TMZ some time if you want to feel like you lost a piece of your soul. That kind of tabloid BS is something no one needs.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)You're "sure" Pence doesn't have a problem dining with professional women? Did he tell you that? Because usually, religious nuts don't do exceptions; sin is sin, and apparently for Pence it's a sin (or an "occasion of sin" whatever the hell that means) to dine with a woman or women without his wife present. So unless Karen Pence goes to every business lunch he attends, he can't have women there.
He's a hide-bound, hypocritical, rigid so-called "Christian."
Hulk
(6,699 posts)....if it doesn't affect ME personally....fook'm.
My US rep, herrera-beutler is cut from the same cloth. Because she cashed in on Obama-care for her infant that was born with complications...she's ALL for ACA...as it pertains to her. However, she'll vote AGAINST IT FOR YOU!!
Fook'n idiots! Selfish, self-centered hypocrites.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)" Oh lord forgive me"
Oh, oh. He's dining with a woman!!
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,098 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Pelosi is in the position she is in. Worse than a black president, no doubt.
mountain grammy
(26,571 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,035 posts)...and wifey knows it -- hence the rule.
FSogol
(45,357 posts)Wiseman32218
(291 posts)When I was homeless and was living at the Salvation Army they had a policy that there had to be a witness whenever an employee would transport a person in need to prevent a lawsuit and as a witness to that effect. It made sense to me and still does. I was on several rides with the driver to provide that as a way to keep my eligibility for receiving assistance, it was the least I could do or live out in the cold.
leftstreet
(36,078 posts)I understand the Salvation Army situation you described, but you're talking about vulnerable populations.
Pence isn't likely to be dining with people at risk, so the comparison doesn't make sense to me
kskiska
(27,041 posts)SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)End Of The Road
(1,397 posts)that a woman might ravish him
(his wife knows he's not all that, hence he's safe dining with her)
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)He explained it that he doesn't want others to see him out taking a female to lunch that may be visiting our location and assume he is cheating on his wife because he doesn't want his wife embarrassed like that. He said it hit him when he was in the middle of just such a meal that it looked bad if anyone he knew saw him laughing and talking with a nice looking lady alone. From then on, he said to find another person to entertain the bigwigs if it happened to be a woman alone. I don't have a problem with that because his priority is respecting his wife. If this is all people have to gripe about Pence for, I'm disappointed.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and others who are so narrow minded they can't imagine a male and female co-worker or even a platonic relationship. By that standard, he can't go to lunch with his sister alone, since people who see them and don't know them will assume an affair. And it appears that if the lady is not "nice looking" he can go?
It just happened he had this epiphany while sitting across the table from a nice looking woman. No females alone at all since.
I don't have a problem with it. He sees it as causing potential embarrassment to his wife and doesn't want that.
spooky3
(34,302 posts)on his personal time, that's his business. But he cannot treat women, or a subgroup of them, differently from other people at work on the basis of their being female.
Put yourself in her position, particularly if most men in positions with whom you need to interact to exchange business info, build relationships, etc., were to follow the same rule. You are disadvantaged at work and clearly viewed exclusively through the lens of your gender in this scenario. And from an etiquette standpoint, what signal is he sending to women with whom he WILL have lunch, etc.? That they are unattractive, too old, etc.? Not good behavior.
The solution is to expect oneself to maintain standards of professional, respectful behavior at all times in any work-related setting, with members of all groups. and to ensure these standards are met.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)Not work, lunch as the babysitter for visiting higher ups in the company. Tradition dictates someone takes them to a local place for lunch. It is no longer him after he decided it looks bad. Nothing illegal about it. I applaud him for considering how his wife might feel if her friends saw him and assumed the worst.
spooky3
(34,302 posts)Workplace is covered, whether it is sitting in a meeting at the conference room or babysitting higher ups, clients, etc at an exclusive restaurant. In some cases employers are even responsible for how customers treat their employees.
The rights of female workers trump a male worker's discomfort. It's the same principle as if I had difficulty with eating at the same table with someone of a different race so my employer had to reassign someone else to host. Not allowable.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)It is not a "working lunch" so is unrelated to the job. It is only tradition, not required. They can get a plate in the company cafeteria like everyone else. Taking a woman out alone is not in his job requirements. Entertainment during non-working hours which includes lunch is not required at all.
This is one of those positions in which the pc police makes us look bad. If you really wanted to push it, I'm sure a man could say he was being sexually discriminated against by being forced to take a female out.
treestar
(82,383 posts)where he'd go dine with a male colleague, it is seeing her as sexual rather than as her job description. In short, it's 19th century thinking.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,698 posts)Who would want him?
alarimer
(16,245 posts)I maintain that this attitude is simply a reflection of his belief that sexual temptation is ALWAYS the woman's fault. This is not just an attitude in fundamentalists. It is seemingly baked into our culture. And some people do not respect boundaries. Those people suck, in my opinion. And should be avoided, called out, etc.
I think grown-ass people in modern, egalitarian relationships should be able to trust each other. If you can't (and if there's no reason not to trust them), you might be too insecure. So maybe a therapist is in order? Or, if they truly cannot be trusted, then a new partner is in order.