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Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:39 AM Apr 2017

The Dems do have a nuclear counter strike, and all it takes is one Dem Senator.

One Dem Senator can object to every call for unanimous consent, forcing multiple votes throughout what would be ordinary Senate procedure and slowing EVERYTHING in the Senate to a snail's crawl pace so slow that absolutely nothing could ever be accomplished in the Senate ever again.

Basically, any one Senator can shut down the Senate pretty much by themselves with this procedural move.

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The Dems do have a nuclear counter strike, and all it takes is one Dem Senator. (Original Post) Foamfollower Apr 2017 OP
I hope our senators learn of this soon and fast! caroldansen Apr 2017 #1
That's what the republicans did when the Dems were in a majority in Obama's first term. shraby Apr 2017 #2
Do we have a single senator that is willing to take this step? Bettie Apr 2017 #3
Franken? WinkyDink Apr 2017 #10
It would slow things down, not stop them onenote Apr 2017 #4
because it might help to stop a madman? mopinko Apr 2017 #5
thumbs up for this reply ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #8
Amen Frequent Ranter Apr 2017 #14
Oooh, let's be afraid of the VERBIAGE! WinkyDink Apr 2017 #11
"Politically foolish" Bettie Apr 2017 #12
For those that disagree with me (which is fine), a question: onenote Apr 2017 #13
You are correct-this is allowed under Senate rules Gothmog Apr 2017 #6
yep..time to give conservatives back some of their medicine and if democrats don't beachbum bob Apr 2017 #7
There's not much MAD in that "counter strike" FBaggins Apr 2017 #9

shraby

(21,946 posts)
2. That's what the republicans did when the Dems were in a majority in Obama's first term.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 08:22 AM
Apr 2017

Put a hold on everything.

Bettie

(16,049 posts)
3. Do we have a single senator that is willing to take this step?
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 08:24 AM
Apr 2017

I would hope so, but I fear that the answer is no.

I get the impulse to play fair, but at some point, someone needs to say enough and get their hands dirty.

onenote

(42,499 posts)
4. It would slow things down, not stop them
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 08:35 AM
Apr 2017

Last edited Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:51 AM - Edit history (1)

and would be politically foolish.

The repubs are having a devil of a time getting anything done (and the things they are doing are energizing Democrats). Shutting down the Senate would allow the repubs to shift the narrative from their own failures to the Democrats "blockade". Why would we do that? Why make every story start with "overcoming Democratic blockade, the Republicans in the Senate passed a bill to do etc. etc."

ProfessorPlum

(11,253 posts)
8. thumbs up for this reply
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:37 AM
Apr 2017

Democrats can't seem to understand that fighting against evil isn't rude. It's crucial

 

Frequent Ranter

(55 posts)
14. Amen
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 11:10 AM
Apr 2017

We need some sharp, old-school Democratic elbowing here!

Oh, yeah, uh, I apologize for framing you in the Study with the Knife.

Bettie

(16,049 posts)
12. "Politically foolish"
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:48 AM
Apr 2017

In what way?

Why can they do all of this stuff and for our side, we're supposed to simply suck it up and silently acquiesce to their agenda to avoid appearing foolish...obstructive...rude?

onenote

(42,499 posts)
13. For those that disagree with me (which is fine), a question:
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 11:01 AM
Apr 2017

Assuming the Democrats pursued a strategy of blocking anything and everything -- what do you see as the end game?

I see the following two options for the repubs:

1. Capitulate and not pursue their agenda, which will anger their base no end and put their own re-election prospects at risk.
2. Let the Democrats slow things down, possibly even shut down the government, blame the Democrats (a message the media will latch onto if history is any guide) which will energize their base for 2018.

I prefer an energized Democrat base and a demoralized repub base. And I think the best way to do that is to oppose the repubs vigorously but not indiscriminately block votes on anything and everything. For some things, we will lose, like the privacy repeal, and that repeal not only energizes our base but gives us a great issue to campaign on in 2018. On other issues, like health care, the budget cuts, the Senate repubs themselves are likely to have trouble going along with Trump's agenda and whatever might come out of the House. The message of a repub-controlled legislature that can't get things done, not because of Democratic obstruction but because of their own ineptitude is a much better message going into 2018.

But, that being said, if you have a different idea of how a blockade strategy would play out over the next 20 months (leading up to Nov. 2018), I'm sincerely open to hearing and considering it.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
7. yep..time to give conservatives back some of their medicine and if democrats don't
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:34 AM
Apr 2017

we deserve all that comes our way and can't complain about any of it

FBaggins

(26,714 posts)
9. There's not much MAD in that "counter strike"
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 10:16 AM
Apr 2017

Nor is it the final point in the escalation. The majority necessarily has more power to hurt the minority than vice-versa.

What happens when the chair doesn't "hear" the objection? "Hearing no objection, it is so ordered"? Or trim the Senate budget by cutting the number and size of committees and committee staffing in a way that hurts us more? Or block Democratic amendments to legislation?

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