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tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 05:35 PM Apr 2017

Misguided Attacks on the Liberal Elite

Bernie Sanders’s Misguided Attacks on the “Liberal Elite”

Rather than highlighting class differences, the phrase beclouds them.

“We need a Democratic Party that is not a party of the liberal elite but of the working class of this country,” Senator Bernie Sanders declared at a rally in Boston last week. This has become a very common refrain for Sanders specifically and the progressive left generally. After the election, Nation editor at large D.D. Guttenplan declared that liberal elites who spurned populism are responsible for President Donald Trump, while Chris Hedges argued last month that Trump’s greatest allies are, unwittingly, liberal elites.

“The elites, who live in enclaves of privilege in cities such as New York, Washington and San Francisco, scold an enraged population,” he wrote at Truthdig. “They tell those they dismiss as inferiors to calm down, be reasonable and patient and trust in the goodness of the old ruling class and the American system.”

Those damn liberal elites! They sip Starbucks in their Priuses while headed to a Harvard lecture about Hollywood film—or to the Hollywood set of a film about Harvard. These corrupt effete meritocrats are the truly powerful ones in America. May populism rise up and destroy them, so that inequality and smugness alike will vanish from the Earth.

But it’s worth asking: If all these full-throated attacks on liberal elitism ended with the ascension of a racist, sexist authoritarian who has a gross history of mistreating working people, then is attacking liberal elitism really the proper strategy for the opposition to Trump? Maybe the left should think about going back to attacking a more tried and true bugaboo: the wealthy.

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More at link: https://newrepublic.com/article/141828/bernie-sanderss-misguided-attacks-liberal-elite
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Misguided Attacks on the Liberal Elite (Original Post) tammywammy Apr 2017 OP
It's rich in irony, too, considering the rallies LisaM Apr 2017 #1
This is why I have "Bernie" and "Sanders" as two keywords in my "trash" list. Squinch Apr 2017 #2
Telling someone what they're doing wrong and what they could do to correct it Warpy Apr 2017 #3
No.. he's wrong.. he needs to be called Cha Apr 2017 #5
I criticize politicians, I can criticize choices by Dems but.. "Liberal Elite" is a code phrase.. JHan Apr 2017 #22
Well, that doesn't matter much now since Perez and Ellison Warpy Apr 2017 #23
True, I have faith in them... JHan Apr 2017 #24
Skin would be thin if Sanders had a clue, he doesn't.. sound bite shit that has no basis in reality uponit7771 Apr 2017 #32
Conservatives are so thin skinned they'll take anything they can out of context Warpy Apr 2017 #33
K&R betsuni Apr 2017 #4
Great article Gothmog Apr 2017 #6
The right uses liberal elite as a rhetorical distraction Cha Apr 2017 #7
It is just more divisive rhetoric. brer cat Apr 2017 #8
I agree, it's nonproductive divisive rhetoric. tammywammy Apr 2017 #9
Hypocritical, too. Cha Apr 2017 #10
This is the same rhetoric the RW uses about "liberals". You can hear this tripe on R B Garr Apr 2017 #11
Exactly or anyone calling themselves a "progressive". tammywammy Apr 2017 #12
+1000 sheshe2 Apr 2017 #15
That is exactly what it is. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #30
Great post, and a good reminder about priorities and his R B Garr Apr 2017 #34
First Off Me. Apr 2017 #13
Yes, his attacks look like sour grapes whining because R B Garr Apr 2017 #18
As For No Working Class People In Cities... Me. Apr 2017 #25
And, it was his third house. LisaM Apr 2017 #26
Agreed Gothmog Apr 2017 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Apr 2017 #14
"Bernie is well aware of that misconception, and exploits it for political gain." SunSeeker Apr 2017 #28
Sanders push on the Democratic party did not end with that result. It ended with a party that JCanete Apr 2017 #16
The 50% + 3 million MAJORITY who voted for Hillary are NOT ELITES. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #17
No Democrat or progressive should ever use the word "elite." Lonestarblue Apr 2017 #19
The term "Liberal Elite" is a phony term used by those who can't get their own way, almost... George II Apr 2017 #20
It's unbelievable that so-called progressives (SCPs) NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #21
All the while minimizing the impact of Russia and James Comey. Message to BS: If you can't win..... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2017 #27
What an idiotic hateful, right wing pandering lie: SunSeeker Apr 2017 #29
I'm becoming increasingly disappointed in Bernie Sanders. yardwork Apr 2017 #31
Funny the only elitists I know are conservatives crazycatlady Apr 2017 #35
This is exactly what I was saying BainsBane Apr 2017 #36
I think I'm special, but mischaracterizing me as "elite" Hortensis Apr 2017 #38
K&r UTUSN Apr 2017 #39

Squinch

(51,059 posts)
2. This is why I have "Bernie" and "Sanders" as two keywords in my "trash" list.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 05:40 PM
Apr 2017

"The Liberal Elite" is a specious myth originated by Republicans to divide Democrats.

I can't speak for Independents, but within MY party, I think only the less intelligent fall for it.

Warpy

(111,392 posts)
3. Telling someone what they're doing wrong and what they could do to correct it
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 05:40 PM
Apr 2017

is only an attack if they're thin skinned conservatives who think having a little money makes them right about everything.

The rest of us might not like criticism, but if we think there is a point and it's constructive enough to offer solutions, we usually manage to modify a few things and try to do them better.

Maybe we really should give them a legitimate attack or two so they'd learn the difference.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
22. I criticize politicians, I can criticize choices by Dems but.. "Liberal Elite" is a code phrase..
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:46 PM
Apr 2017

that Authoritarian populists are using right now to get rid of the "Liberal Order". We can't afford rhetorical blunders. The aim right now is to destroy what the liberal elite has managed to do right, that is what Trump and his cohorts are doing right now by gutting agencies, starving clean energy funding, and they're aiming to destroy the social safety net.

Liberals using the same soundbytes of our opponents is just crazy, whatever their aims - And I'm suspect of Sander's aims here. It doesn't make sense.

Warpy

(111,392 posts)
23. Well, that doesn't matter much now since Perez and Ellison
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:56 PM
Apr 2017

have turned them out of their jobs. As long as they're not rehired, the party will have a much better chance of rebuilding.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
24. True, I have faith in them...
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:59 PM
Apr 2017

but it's disheartening to see this line of attack. More than ever we have to defend liberal values . And I wanna hear more from young dems like Ro Khanna who has some great ideas aimed at tackling economic inequality.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
32. Skin would be thin if Sanders had a clue, he doesn't.. sound bite shit that has no basis in reality
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 07:38 AM
Apr 2017

Warpy

(111,392 posts)
33. Conservatives are so thin skinned they'll take anything they can out of context
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:30 PM
Apr 2017

so they can howl about that and not bother to answer the content of the message.

This has been their shtik in both parties for decades. Surprised you haven't noticed.

It's not an attack if it's constructive criticism, that's the bottom line and conservatives need to get a grip.

Cha

(297,829 posts)
7. The right uses liberal elite as a rhetorical distraction
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 05:55 PM
Apr 2017

The right uses “liberal elite” as a rhetorical distraction. When the left uses the phrase, it plays into the hands of those who want to obscure class lines. “Liberal elite” makes people think of Meryl Streep or their local college professor, when they should be directing their ire at Jamie Dimon, Peter Thiel, Jared Kushner, and Donald Trump. So forget “liberal elites.” Let’s start attacking the real enemy, using language that clarifies rather than obscures. They’re “the rich,” “the plutocrats,” “the wealthy.” Perhaps we should even revive a well-worn but still relevant epithet: “capitalist pigs.”

When I think of "liberal elite" I think of susan Sarandon who voted for jill stein while she sits on her cushiony $50 Million Bucks and the rest of the Planet is Fucked.. except for those with the big bucks like SS, of course.

brer cat

(24,628 posts)
8. It is just more divisive rhetoric.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:13 PM
Apr 2017

The self-identified "progressive left" continues to tilt at windmills while the republicans trash our souls and lives.

Interesting article, tammywammy. Thanks for posting.

R B Garr

(16,998 posts)
11. This is the same rhetoric the RW uses about "liberals". You can hear this tripe on
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:24 PM
Apr 2017

Rush Limbaugh, almost word for word. There is no excuse for it coming from someone who claims to speak for Democrats.

 

WomenRising2017

(203 posts)
30. That is exactly what it is.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:29 PM
Apr 2017

It's a derogatory term aimed at people who fight for civil rights.

For someone who is a friend towards civil rights, he seems to place it very low on his priorities. From an article I read in December,

It’s not good enough to say, “Well, I’m not a racist, I’m not a sexist, I’m not a xenophobe, I’m not a homophobe, you gotta vote for me.” You need more than that! So it’s not like they’re just voting against somebody, they’re voting for somebody. And I think that’s where we have to radically sharpen our message.
http://www.gq.com/story/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-victory-interview-moty


First, civil rights are a very important part of the Democratic party. While Hillary Clinton is a strong advocate for civil rights, she also had a strong platform for economic policy and foreign policy.

Second, Donald Trump did campaign as "I am a racist, I am a sexist, I am a xenophobe, I am a homophobe, you gotta vote for me" and won voters because of that.

Third, nearly every legislation Trump has pushed so far has been in stripping away civil rights. None have been based on the economy.

R B Garr

(16,998 posts)
34. Great post, and a good reminder about priorities and his
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:46 PM
Apr 2017

limited messaging scope. She had a very progressive platform that also happened to be inclusive. To insinuate otherwise is not honest.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
13. First Off
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:36 PM
Apr 2017

I think Senator Sanders needs to stop calling Dems, any Dems, names. And really, who is he to judge? I think back on that pricey trip to Rome. the new vacation house, the fact he has a senate salary, healthcare, $3mil+ to run his office and pay for expenses. He's living a very privileged life, one many would be more than thankful for.

Secondly, why is he mostly attacking Dems when it's the Cons & 45 destroying the country? And calling him a fraud just doesn't cover it. BS seems to be into deconstructive politics where the Dems are concerned and if he's hoping they're going to beg him to run again (hardly) because he is just so pure, this is not the way to go about it.

R B Garr

(16,998 posts)
18. Yes, his attacks look like sour grapes whining because
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:27 PM
Apr 2017

the populous coastal areas overwhelmingly voted for Clinton. This is just more divisive attacks on Democrats with its origins straight out of Limbaugh land. Who does he think he is insinuating there are no working class people living in cities. I know union people here all over the place.

And you're right about his own privileged lifestyle. He bought a $600,000 house on a Senator's salary. Try buying a $600,000 house on a working class salary (that's about what an average house is here). He would shut up fast about calling those folks "elite". How outrageous and out of touch can you get.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
25. As For No Working Class People In Cities...
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 08:00 PM
Apr 2017

Who does he thinks are the bldg. supers, the trash men, nurses, restaurant workers, laundry and dry cleaning employees, bakers, policemen, EMTs, fireman, those who work in offices, court employees, cashiers, nursing home/care workers, tellers at banks, newspeople, salespeople, fast food workers, teachers, subway workers, bus drivers, cable people, electricity workers, dog walkers, manicurists, hairdressers, druggists, writers, librarians, UPS & postal workers, delivery men, florists, doctors, lab technicians, tailors, opticians, babysitters, nursery care workers, jewelers, computer repairmen/women, museum workers, and so on and so forth?

Response to tammywammy (Original post)

SunSeeker

(51,751 posts)
28. "Bernie is well aware of that misconception, and exploits it for political gain."
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 08:23 PM
Apr 2017

Yeah, you got that right. Personal political gain, truth be damned.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
16. Sanders push on the Democratic party did not end with that result. It ended with a party that
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:12 PM
Apr 2017

made ovations to the left and convinced me to vote for Hillary Clinton in the GE. Most Sanders supporters voted for Clinton in the GE, and I'm not sure there are any numbers that suggest that there are enough people out there who would have voted for Clinton if not for Sanders.

Starting from a place of total uncorroborated bullshit to make a point is not strengthening this person's argument.

Also, lumping what Sanders was saying in with every other attack of every variety on liberals is also disingenuous. Its fair to say that if he wants to make a point about a certain elitism that using terms that Republicans have used comes with all that baggage. That's true. I think that's complicated and dicey territory. I think he's using it because the language is familiar and already believed, but he's attempting to change the content of that meaning, but that doesn't mean that's a good strategy, and I think that's fair criticism to bring. To pretend that he's saying all this other shit is entirely straw-manning.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,052 posts)
17. The 50% + 3 million MAJORITY who voted for Hillary are NOT ELITES.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:24 PM
Apr 2017

The Minority President tRump has stuffed his cabinet with 0.01% elites and Goldman-Sachs alumni.

Snowden who said voting for Hillary was voting for Goldman-Sachs wins the 2016 award for most awkwardly wrong-headed tweet of the election.

Unconfirmed Executive President Bannon and unconfirmed Secretary of Everything Kushner are ensuring that the rural fly-over country that gave the Minority President his Electoral College votes is damaged the most by transportation cuts, education mandates, pollution increases, and reduced worker protections.

Lonestarblue

(10,117 posts)
19. No Democrat or progressive should ever use the word "elite."
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:29 PM
Apr 2017

By referring to Democratic elites, Sanders is only underscoring the Republican claim that most Democrats are pointy-headed elites who know nothing about how the real world works. That word needs to be scrubbed from the vocabulary of anyone describing Democrats or our message or why we lost the last election.

George II

(67,782 posts)
20. The term "Liberal Elite" is a phony term used by those who can't get their own way, almost...
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:40 PM
Apr 2017

...like a justification for a political "temper tantrum". I've asked those who use it here and on other sites where I've seen it if they could define that term. No one can.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
21. It's unbelievable that so-called progressives (SCPs)
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 07:41 PM
Apr 2017

are using the term "liberal elite." That term is over 20 years old and was originated by Republicans to mock liberals.

And now, according to Sanders--a SCP--I'm a "liberal elite." Right.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,245 posts)
27. All the while minimizing the impact of Russia and James Comey. Message to BS: If you can't win.....
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 08:23 PM
Apr 2017

enough Dems in the primary, it means your message didn't penetrate. So all the post election sloganeering about "liberal elites" is just talk. And all the white working class voters in the Rust Belt can't change that little fact. We have been, and continue to be the party of the working class, black & brown people, LGBT people, religious minorities, and immigrants....no matter how much division some try to sow amongst us.

There are 3+ million of us, who are in no way "elite", but we made our choice, and I stand by mine.

SunSeeker

(51,751 posts)
29. What an idiotic hateful, right wing pandering lie:
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 08:38 PM
Apr 2017
“They tell those they dismiss as inferiors to calm down, be reasonable and patient and trust in the goodness of the old ruling class and the American system.” 


No Dem is saying that shit. It is the REPUBLICAN white supremacist Alt Right that dismisses black, brown and LGBT people as inferiors. Sanders should be ashamed of himself.

yardwork

(61,729 posts)
31. I'm becoming increasingly disappointed in Bernie Sanders.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 07:34 AM
Apr 2017

It's starting to look like pure egoism at this point.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
35. Funny the only elitists I know are conservatives
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:47 PM
Apr 2017

Like my BIL, who complained when he went on a trip to Spain and flew coach instead of first class.

BainsBane

(53,093 posts)
36. This is exactly what I was saying
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:49 PM
Apr 2017
Many on the left use “liberal elites” as a substitute for “wealthy,” of course, but it’s a confusing substitute, not least because rich people tend to be more conservative and to vote Republican, as they did in the last election. Meanwhile, bloated plutocrats like Trump, the Koch brothers, the Bushes, Carl Icahn, and Paul Ryan embrace openly regressive policies. And yet, pundits across the political spectrum hardly ever inveigh against the “conservative elite.”

Rather than highlighting class differences, the phrase “liberal elitism” beclouds them. In doing so, it plays into the very ideology of neoliberalism that leftists claim to hate

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. I think I'm special, but mischaracterizing me as "elite"
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 06:53 PM
Apr 2017

is ridiculous. If he meant I admire and support "elites," the same. That kind of authoritarian following is not what liberals like me do.

Perhaps Sanders would know and appreciate that if, as I believe I have often seen, he did not have a significant authoritarian leader streak himself. I want to support him as an agent of the Democratic Party, but he's making it difficult. I'm very tired of being insulted this way and want him to find the self discipline to come through on this role he chose to take on with better grace and honest commitment. To put it bluntly, a deal's a deal.

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