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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe may not have to wait much longer.
The leaks are getting louder. Maybe the whining on this board will quiet down soon.
The FBI leak about Carter Page being on a FISA warrant may have been a warning to conspirators who want to make a deal to do so now, before the arrests begin next week.
Intel sources: first big arrests in Donald Trumps Russia scandal could come next week
Rudy Giuliani has tried to make a deal, but Comey told him he's not needed, so fuck off. Couldn't happen to a nicer ghoul.
Sources: Rudy Giuliani wants to flip on Donald Trump, but FBI doesnt need him to make the case
Yeah, yeah, I know - the Palmer Report. So sue me. But at least click through his links first.
Bettie
(16,110 posts)talking to Putin about making the US a vassal state of Russia and we'd still have to wait for the DOJ (under Sessions) or a Repubicon congress to do something.
IN other words, it doesn't matter because they will bury or ignore it all.
Then, he'll be a "war president" after he starts one and we'll be expected to rally 'round his orange ass.
I won't. Ever.
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Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)The time is fast approaching.
The problem McCONnell, Ryan and now Nunes face is that they are very likely complicit in the treasonous takeover and/or the coverup.
Ryan may escape. McConnell may be in too deep to untar himself. Nunes was a fool and thought he could stop the whole thing.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)...to anything responsible for removing Trump from office.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)tRump is more and more a liability except in a few hard core districts.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)malaise
(269,020 posts)Please please please
randome
(34,845 posts)...the FBI may be working out how precisely they arrest him or pull him in for questioning without causing greater harm to the country or encouraging partisan fights that distract everyone.
That may have been part of the delay, as well.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)They would want to be sure of their moves, which takes time.
There's nothing to be gained by catching little fish and letting the big ones swim away with the country.
randome
(34,845 posts)Thank God they don't think like a shark and take out the nearest morsel.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
pangaia
(24,324 posts)glad to see you posting here again,
maybe I missed you but I see your post on FB.
And I hope I hope...
The general who ordered that bomb was interviewed on,., maybe NPr ? and said he/they had permission to use it even going back to Pres O... so who knows if the fuckwad ordered it,,, no-nothing me would doubt, but...
yes yes yes, she said yes, yes...,, oh let MY attorney general succeed and bring these shits ...
down that is all. over and out....
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,076 posts)... I watched that movie in fascination as a kid, I have never forgotten that line.
randome
(34,845 posts)Hamlette
(15,412 posts)I know you can sue a president civilly while he is in office, so I'm not sure why you couldn't bring criminal charges against him. But couldn't he just pardon himself?
His base would LOVE it.
randome
(34,845 posts)I forget the rationale but the consensus seems to be 'No', he can't.
tritsofme
(17,379 posts)The Constitution does not specifically prohibit a "self pardon" the only restriction is that the power does apply to impeachment.
The courts have been historically hesitant to question the president's pardon power or its scope.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)The constitution is worded in such a way that it isn't actually prohibited, so even if the SC ruled against it you'd still have an argument ongoing.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)only whether he could be prosecuted afterward.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Gerald Ford talked him into resigning to avoid impeachment and then he (Ford) pardoned him.
Sam
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)He has to be impeached first. It'll be a long process but I think eventually we'll get him.
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)for a source...... is like me going down the hall in my HUD bldg. and posting what 84 year old Maxine said. Palmer got us all jazzed up RE:Recount and what came of that? All he does is post real progressive WISH LIST stuff....he has been debunked MANY times here.
I want to believe it as much as you do, but recount, nope....electoral college, nope.....dare I say, FAKE NEWS...
grantcart
(53,061 posts)She has more credibility.
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)I made her cupcakes and she God Blessed me.....Easter, you know....
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)It's not Palmer's fault that nothing came of the recount. Trump's lawyers put stops to the recounts. Palmer was just reporting about it.
He's a reporter who basically finds info and posts it before main stream media.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)A Reporter???
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)Jester weighed in on this too.
J?SŦ?R ✪ ?CŦUAL³³º¹? @th3j35t3r Apr 13
Replying to @th3j35t3r
#ONTHEWIRE Rudy 'Cyberman' Giuliani is apparently in a legal quagmire and is desperate to 'make a deal'. Comey isn't interested.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Native
(5,942 posts)Mad-in-Mo
(229 posts)If we are all still around next week.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)just refuses to do it....
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)Malcolm was on Randi's show yesterday.
gilpo
(708 posts)GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)It wasn't an international crime ring.
gilpo
(708 posts)Been disappointed too many times
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,861 posts)Since last November?
I do hope something comes of it all, but I seriously doubt it will. This is one of those times when I hope I am so wrong that I am all but hounded off DU.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,861 posts)about a Russian connection, about various members of Trump's election team meeting with Russian officials, about supposed videos of "golden showers". Yes, these specifics are different, but somehow nothing has made any difference in any important way.
I'm quite cynical about all this. And keep in mind, it's still at the level of rumor: Unnamed intel sources, unnamed not otherwise identified sources. Not until we see actual documents and indictments should we place any faith in this stuff.
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)saying British intelligence can be backed up by many countries . Rachel said there seemed to be some intel competition - who was the best.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,861 posts)But we've been down this road before.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)I know the FBI is investigating and Carter Paige has a FISA warrant and we all know about Flynn and Sessions. Now we have reliable information that it began in 15...I think Trump is going down.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)I would be doing the happy dance everywhere and embarrassing the hell out of my kids...a two for...
TeamPooka
(24,228 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"palmer report" isn't exactly the WaPo.
melman
(7,681 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)This is how they operate.
aeromanKC
(3,322 posts)Now THAT would be Champagne worthy!!
riversedge
(70,239 posts)Botany
(70,508 posts)n/t
DK504
(3,847 posts)Please God, let Ghouliani get popped for his part in all this. No deals for traitors. If they don't "need him" they are going to issue arrest warrants.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Maybe this is a good reason.
Treaon means hard time or death.
I'm a Marine veteran and have zero tolerance for this shit!
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Has been calling Trump's Florida resort "Guantan-a-Lago" since inauguration.
Air Force One could easily just fly over and let him parachute down to his new cell in the Caribbean.
Then, fly AFOne back to Washington, after stopping in New York to pick up the real President.
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C Moon
(12,213 posts)"If anyone in North Korea even SAYS the word Nuclear, I'll attack."
The fracker is looking to start war ASAP.
TheBlackAdder
(28,203 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Using a tweet from "J?SŦ?R ✪ ?CŦUAL" as some sort of news source.
Worktodo
(288 posts)Especially on Mench's twitter feed (which is entertaining don't get me wrong). Reminds me of the science fiction trope where someone says some gibberish and the next person says "oh gawd!" and breathily repeats the gibberish.
"We've lost the shields!"
"My Gahhhwddd, WE'VE LOST THE SHIELDS!!"
I also don't like that she's claiming to have scooped every news story with her twitter feed: "The Guardian is now reporting what I tweeted about yesterday" and leaves out "but with actual journalism, writing, and less hyperbole."
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Very annoying.
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)Louise Mensch: the former British MP who scooped US media on Trump's Russian ties
However, it seems increasingly clear that Mensch landed an extraordinary scoop that had eluded the best investigative journalists in the US. Her explanation is that her vocal advocacy on behalf of UK and US intelligence agencies since former NSA contractor Edward Snowdens revelations about mass surveillance led her sources to trust her
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/17/louise-mensch-trump-russia-ties-media-scoop
Worktodo
(288 posts)Thank you. That's a good writeup that clarifies a lot about her and where she's coming from on twitter.
Worktodo
(288 posts)And now I remember her from the phone hacking scandal in UK as well.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/louise-mensch-donald-trump-politics
And also her Wikipedia page. I don't know what to make of her.
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)and Mensch has been right on this month. He sure seems to have good knowledge of what's going on with the military.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)He should maybe interview that person instead of just sourcing tweets.
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)I think we need every source we can get and pro American hackers are good.
Meet the vigilante who hacks jihadists by Jose Pagliery
Anonymous isn't doing anything new by hacking Islamic extremist websites. A mysterious figure known as "The Jester" has been at it for five years.
Jester has single-handedly taken down dozens of websites that, he deems, support jihadist propaganda and recruitment efforts. He stopped counting at 179.
To some, he's an Internet superhero. Think Batman, with all the vengeance-laden moral qualms of vigilantism included.
"I realized something needed to be done about online radicalization and 'grooming' of wannabe jihadis, and we didn't have mechanisms to deal with it," Jester said in an interview with CNNMoney. "I decided to start disrupting them."
Little is actually known about Jester, other than his public persona on Twitter as @th3j35t3r: He is unapologetic, unabashedly pro-America and full of military jargon.
Jester first appeared on Twitter on Dec. 19, 2009. Since then, he's used his computer hacking skills to shut down, deface or expose anything he considers threatening to the United States -- especially if it endangers soldiers. If a legitimate company is hosting the site, it usually gets a brief warning before he attacks.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/16/technology/security/jester-hacker-vigilante/
oberliner
(58,724 posts)If you just cite information from tweets and other articles.
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)and Mensch, Jester, John Schlinder, Malcolm Nance , Alexandra Chalupa, etc. are people to watch. They are putting tons of info out there. Are you saying only reporters who work for networks are real reporters? When Alexandra Chalupa was gathering info on Manifort, while working for Hillary, her car was broken into twice, someone tried to break into her house - she was being stalked but she tweeted away and you would say because she tweets she not a "real reporter."
What the fuck is actual reporting?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not just pull tweets and articles written by other people.
Worktodo
(288 posts)Twitter is like a machine shooting out puzzle pieces. Traditional reporting is when somebody puts the pieces together for you. When reporters do that they make sure you get the whole picture, and that there aren't any missing pieces.
Second part is that there aren't clear editorial standards on Twitter (that I've seen). If it gets printed in The NY Times it's got to meet certain standards for sources, verifiability, etc. I really like that people are trying to get information out as quickly as possible-- and I don't think they expect me to hold them to a high standard for their tweets.
IMHO a reporter can be anyone, anywhere. It's just that it has more credibility to me in a traditional format than in a tweet.
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)and their reputation is not on the line.
Native
(5,942 posts)you don't dismiss something simply because it is a tweet
Worktodo
(288 posts)I could be wrong. The kind of direct evidence needed to prove knowing collusion will be difficult to obtain. Louise Mench and Palmer have a lot of charts and graphs but there has to be fire with that smoke.
Some of what we know is the highly suspicious "Red Flags" (get it?) from last year. Manafort for example. Some is new data from news reporting. And a lot is speculation or inside sources.
So is any of this coming from the investigation itself? There are incidentals (like Flynn registering with FARA). My point is, I think the more that leaks from the actual investigation the less likely it is that anyone will actually be held accountable...
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)Worktodo
(288 posts)So no corroboration. They're possibly talking to the same source as Mensch. Which would make it one data point not two. I wonder about the motivations of the source-- indications are it's someone outside of the investigations? (i.e. covert) and possibly (probably) not American? Your thoughts?
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Proving something illegal took place is entirely different.
"Collusion" isn't necessarily a crime.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)I guess I'm on a ton of ignore lists. The few replies indicated I should not trust the palmer report.
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)Instead of talking about this possibly happening, you guys just make it a put down Palmer thread. We know that - the same people post this all the time.
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)ananda
(28,864 posts)Lawrence Tribe retweeted this from Claude Taylor:
Just spoke to a New York source and Rudy Giuliani is in legal jeopardy and is desperate to make a deal but James Comey is having none of it.
Tribe himself tweeted: My hunch. Rudy will soon be toast. And not the buttered kind.
calimary
(81,295 posts)I can dream, can't I!
Then again, Lawrence Tribe is more credible.
certainot
(9,090 posts)jumpsuit as if nothing's different
Native
(5,942 posts)WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)I hope it won't be a big nothing burger when it's over. We need all of them gone, gone, gone.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Wow. Just amazing what an absolute piece of crap Trump is. All the lies he spread about Democrats, and he is the biggest criminal around.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,123 posts)womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)He reports each day, and I think one report didn't pan out. What did he report this month that upset you?
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,123 posts)Please tell we he was right about
Brother Buzz
(36,440 posts)And Jason Leopold warned him to go slow with those firm time and dates.
triron
(22,006 posts)Answer to my prayers.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)The Trump gang is toast. All of them burned to a crisp.
The trick is in orchestrating an extremely complex take-down of the cast and characters. The number of crimes committed and being committed by this group is staggering. The fact that these American racketeers could ever ascend to the presidency is astonishing. The fact that they committed de facto treason to get there is breathtakingly stunning.
Behold The Great Purge of 2017. And brace yourself. This one's going to blow your mind.
stillsoleft
(80 posts)Business as usual. Talking about his foreign policy and domestic agenda as if he's not facing, if not his own immediate demise, enough damage to his admin that he could very well resign or be impeached
Duppers
(28,123 posts)There are some hard facts about this admin that they could drum on about but don't. We hear bits from MSNBC but that's about it in media coverage. The overwhelming majority of the US public has never heard of the Guardian much less the Palmer Report.
We know Nunes/House investigation was corrupted, but why has the senate investigation gone dead cold? Waiting on more evidence from Comey? Then again, it may be a good idea to make Trump feel comfortable until everything is in place just to prevent nukes being dropped somewhere. I don't think that's being hyperbolic either.
Duppers
(28,123 posts)Your post is a ray of sunshine for me, so thanks.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)based on various leaks, that there is already overwhelming evidence of collusion with the Russians. The problem has to do with popular opinions, and right now Trump's opinion polls happen to be growing due to his foreign policy reversals and war mongering. Popular MSM outlets such as CNN are not helping that much because they make a shitload of money whenever there are major war efforts underway!
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)Not holding my breath.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)...
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)have all but given up.
I feel.like a kid who has been promised a puppy for Christmas but just keep getting books about puppies, or stuffed animals of puppies...
triron
(22,006 posts)Demtexan
(1,588 posts)We need a world left first.
Bomb boy wants to play with his toys.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Confidence in them
Or cia chief either
Not ONE Republican in Congress or admin values country over party
NOT
ONE
tavernier
(12,389 posts)is around their neck.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)liberal N proud
(60,335 posts)Then the detractors will say that we can't do anything while at war.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Unless you are predisposed to want conflict with Russia, the contacts themselves aren't that damning apart from the Trumpettes guilty response to allegations.
sellitman
(11,606 posts)All of this is a waste of time. The House will never Impeach Cheeto Face.
Never.
Work for the next election. It's a better use of your time than reading all these false news sites and getting your hopes up.
Cheeto Face could be on camera murdering someone and they wouldn't Impeach him.
oasis
(49,388 posts)is good enough for me. He's toast in 2020.
Native
(5,942 posts)Grins
(7,217 posts)Czar? Czar? Did you say Czar?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Oh sweet buttery kittens on toast! How many emails have I received since 1993 (excluding the period Jan 20, 2001 to Jan 20, 2009) from the Reich-wing mouth-breathers bitching about "un-elected" Czars as an "affront to the Constitution"?
certainot
(9,090 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Don't hold your breath.