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babylonsister

(171,100 posts)
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:55 PM Apr 2017

Trump rattles seaborne saber at North Korea, but his fleet was in wrong ocean headed the wrong way

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/18/1654087/-Wrong-Way-Trump-manages-to-misplace-an-entire-carrier-group-while-playing-tough-guy?detail=facebook


Trump rattles seaborne saber at North Korea, but his fleet was in wrong ocean headed the wrong way
By Mark Sumner
Tuesday Apr 18, 2017 · 2:27 PM EST


Great powers never bluff. They just lie outright about the location, direction, and intent of entire carrier groups. As the New York Times reports, a few ships are not where the Trump White House said they were.

As worries deepened last week about whether North Korea would conduct a missile test, the White House declared that ordering an American aircraft carrier into the Sea of Japan would send a powerful deterrent signal and give President Trump more options in responding to the North’s provocative behavior.


Because nothing comforts people and soothes international tension like reporting that you’re bringing in a fleet of warships. However, in this case, there’s an issue other than bringing in some ships to show the flag.

The problem was, the carrier, the Carl Vinson, and the four other warships in its strike force were at that very moment sailing in the opposite direction, to take part in joint exercises with the Australian Navy in the Indian Ocean, 3,500 miles southwest of the Korean Peninsula.

They … lied about where the ships were, where they were going, and what they were doing? Didn’t they think that someone might notice when a 100,000 ton ship that’s better than 1,000 feet long and carrying a crew of 5,000 didn’t show up?

Actually, it appears that the Trump regime wasn’t so much lying about the ships. They just screwed up—in pretty much every way you can think of.

White House officials said on Tuesday they were relying on guidance from the Defense Department. Officials there describe a glitch-ridden sequence of events, from a premature announcement of the deployment by the military’s Pacific Command to an erroneous explanation by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis — all of which perpetuated the false narrative that an American armada was racing toward the waters off North Korea.


Well then. Wouldn’t it have been hilarious if Trump had ordered some action confident that the Vinson and her companions were on hand to support his play? And how much better can it get in the “Showing North Korea we’re really serious this time” category than threatening them with ships that were sailing in the other direction?

Next up: Trump orders Navy to stop taking pictures so no one will know when he’s wrong.

Your reminder for the day: This is not normal.
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Trump rattles seaborne saber at North Korea, but his fleet was in wrong ocean headed the wrong way (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2017 OP
Good analysis at the Washington Post underpants Apr 2017 #1
He rattled his saber in the wrong direction gratuitous Apr 2017 #5
Mmmmm underpants Apr 2017 #8
Lying about where the fleet is generally located is acceptable. gordianot Apr 2017 #2
Or they just didn't tell dt. That could piss him off. nt babylonsister Apr 2017 #4
IMHO this is bull hockey TBA Apr 2017 #3
Or else they just screwed up. babylonsister Apr 2017 #7
this should have been covered in the daily Intelligence Briefing . . . . oh, wait . . . . DrDan Apr 2017 #6
The Commander-of-Distraction. Wasn't there another #TrumpRussia story breaking that day? L. Coyote Apr 2017 #9

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. He rattled his saber in the wrong direction
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 04:11 PM
Apr 2017

And now everyone will laugh at President Trump's mighty sword. Why must everyone laugh at his mighty sword?

underpants

(182,934 posts)
8. Mmmmm
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 04:57 PM
Apr 2017

cause he looks funny waving it around with his tiny hands?



When I read the NYT article on this I knew there had to be some real explanation - the brass doesn't screw up that bad - it was a head FAKE but it looks really dumb.

babylonsister

(171,100 posts)
7. Or else they just screwed up.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 04:20 PM
Apr 2017

Seems they're turning that 'armada' around and are now heading the right way.
Who uses 'armada' anymore anyway?

https://www.axios.com/trumps-north-korean-armada-sailed-in-wrong-direction-2367144699.html


Trump's North Korean "armada" sailed in wrong direction

U.S. Navy / Sean M. Castellano


As President Trump publicly declared last week that he was "sending an armada" to the Sea of Japan in an attempt to send a message to North Korea, the carrier group was actually sailing thousands of miles in the other direction to war game with the Australian Navy, per the NYT, which reported that the mixup was due to "a glitch-ridden sequence of events."

Reversing course: The carrier group is on its way now and will arrive near the Korean Peninsula next week.

Why it matters: Sean Spicer and National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster both reinforced POTUS' incorrect line last week, which came amid heightened tensions over an expected nuclear test. Trump is clearly trying to send Pyongyang a message, and this sort of mixup won't help the cause.

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