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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat is with this sudden uptick of anti-Bernie threads?
Weren't we asked nicely not to keep re-fighting the primary battles?
Yet here we are with a torrent of "mean ol' Bernie" threads.
A skeptic might even use the word "orchestrated." Naah, couldn't be that.
Eliot Rosewater
(32,243 posts)all last year?
madokie
(51,076 posts)that we could have had a chance this time.
Yes I know I'm treading on thin ice, but what the hell
We're stuck with a sorry bastard for at least 2 possibly 4 years
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)We have to unite, not divide. It's a big tent and everyone should be welcome. I know a number of people that won't join the democratic party, because they feel it's too divisive.
mac56
(17,599 posts)You may have inadvertently answered my question.
.99center
(1,237 posts)Do you think Republicans or Russian trolls give a crap about which democrat they're pretending to support? As long as we keep rehashing the primary it's a win for them.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)And what looks to be very effective. $300 for a PC as compared to $30000 to outfit a military trooper with gear
Eliot Rosewater
(32,243 posts)by going 3rd or not voting are at it again and many of those same progressives are threatening to do it AGAIN.
Many of them are young, often first time voters who dont understand that there are no perfect candidates no matter how close they think Bernie came to being one, and never will be and that they must always vote and vote democratic ticket otherwise they are helping fascists.
Cha
(303,021 posts)of his negative divisive insults thrown at our Democratic Party.
cannabis_flower
(3,817 posts)Last year when there were primaries half the year? Quit fighting the last primary!
Iggo
(48,093 posts)LexVegas
(6,377 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Funny how no one's talking about that. It's an actual issue.
Eliot Rosewater
(32,243 posts)we fend off the same shit we did all last year when Hillary was constantly attacked.
QC
(26,371 posts)This whole administration is nothing but a smash 'n grab robbery.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)What kind of reception did Ralph Nader supporters get back then?
Tom Rinaldo
(22,980 posts)There is no basis for comparison.
.99center
(1,237 posts)Ms. Toad
(35,194 posts)Do not post disrespectful nicknames, insults, or highly inflammatory attacks against any Democratic public figures. Do not post anything that could be construed as bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for any Democratic general election candidate, and do not compare any Democratic general election candidate unfavorably to their general election opponent(s).
Why we have this rule: Our forum members support and admire a wide variety of Democratic politicians and public figures. Constructive criticism is always welcome, but our members don't expect to see Democrats viciously denigrated on this website. This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders).
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Sanders is a primary candidate who lost then threw his support to the nominee (Hillary)
Nader was a third party candidate who did a great amount to cause us to waste trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of Americans killed in Iraq.
No comparison.
malaise
(275,596 posts)Bots and more bots
I'm ignoring all of them
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,499 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)Does anyone believe that when their mom tells them this?
Even as an oblivious, slow-witted child I knew that when my mother told me this it was complete bullshit.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,335 posts)mac56
(17,599 posts)I naively hoped we could move on.
Maybe you can't go home again.
askyagerz
(776 posts)Been here and left before. It gets old pretty quick. You can't be a big tent party and then hand everyone a script as soon as they walk in
Duppers
(28,198 posts)Sweet folks too.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Sanders isn't a Democrat, so why would he get involved?
And who cares, either way?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)to openly say to the press that he's not ready to support Ossoff. And it's natural that with statements like that and his "liberal elites" thing earlier, some Dems are reconsidering the wisdom of giving him that position, since, as you said, he's not a Democrat.
Warpy
(112,830 posts)Did. Not. Know.
There is no reason for him to know every Democrat running in every state. *I* don't know if Ossoff is a progressive. Given that it's GA, I would be surprised if he's at all progressive. However, the worst Democrat is always much better than the best Republican, so it makes little difference.
His job as the chair of Democratic outreach is to get to people and explain the difference between our party and the Republicans. He does that very well despite the sniping of party conservatives who can't forgive him for that "I" after his name or his opposition to Clinton in the primaries or the success he had in those primaries.
The primaries are OVER. It's time to let go of that resentment. Eyes on the prize, people.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)It's fine for some random blogger to say that, but not for someone with a leadership position like Bernie. If Bernie isn't up to being a team player, then he shouldn't have a leadership position, plain and simple.
The other thing is, it's insane for him to not know about Ossoff. Yes, right now, he should know "every Democrat running in every state" as you put it. Why? Because right now there is only one Democrat running in only one state. And it's getting a huge amount of press because it's being considered a referendum on Trump.
Yes, my eyes are on the prize. Which is taking seats back and stopping Trump's agenda. Winning the Georgia race right now is a part of that prize, and the person who needs to keep his eyes on it is Bernie.
Warpy
(112,830 posts)Good luck with that.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I would hope that Bernie is on board with that prize. But some of his statements and actions recently really makes it seem like he has another agenda.
mac56
(17,599 posts)Chastising Bernie supporters.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)rattling off some names of Dems who've never stuck their feet in their mouths?
lapucelle
(19,495 posts)Candidate A: The physician has made womens reproductive health one of his signature issues as a senator and lieutenant governor. In 2012, he successfully fought legislation to require women to undergo an ultrasound before an abortion, explaining in a floor debate how the bill would require a transvaginal probe. In the current legislative session, he has tried to block Republican attempts to defund Planned Parenthood.
Candidate B: In Congress, he supported an unsuccessful attempt to bar insurance plans that cover abortion from receiving subsidies under the Affordable Care Act. He apologized for that vote a day after beginning his gubernatorial campaign. In 2009, he voted against legislation that would have defunded Planned Parenthood.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2017/01/06/tom_perriello_has_an_anti_abortion_pro_gun_voting_record_and_wants_to_be.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/virginia-governors-race-democrats-northam-perriello-on-hot-button-issues/2017/02/16/4ac68bae-f3d3-11e6-b9c9-e83fce42fb61_story.html?utm_term=.e5a29128dd70#comments
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Why are so many posters suddenly bringing up this outreach talking point?
lapucelle
(19,495 posts)It's a Democratic party leadership post. The Outreach Committee is run under the purview of the Democratic senate leader. Some party committees are run under the direction of the Senate leader, and others are are supervised by the House leader.
These are Democratic party positions, and this is the only Democratic Outreach Committee that exists. There is no corresponding House committee.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)lapucelle
(19,495 posts)If Sanders' "thing" is to accept and endorse a candidate who has an anti-choice history and a dubious record on sane gun laws, then we need to revisit his definition of "progressive". It seems absolutely elastic for some issues that matter to progressives and totally rigid and doctrinaire for others.
It's absolutely unconscionable that the Democratic Party Outreach Chair admits to being so uninformed about candidate Jon Ossoff that he is not sure whether he can endorse the Democratic candidate over a Republican in an important special election.
Sanders made news this week that some Democrats find extremely troubling. Of course people are going to discuss it. These threads are not "anti-Sanders". They're pro-Democratic Party.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Warpy
(112,830 posts)Keep trying to split Sanders supporters off from the Democrats by posting things out of context in a spirit of outrage.
People get their outrage meters pinned over on Farcebook and feel compelled to bring it here.
I would love to see the "stop fighting the primary" rule upheld by juries. I doubt it ever will, though. Sanders lost the primary and went back to being independent, therefore he is an enemy of the people.
I'm just hitting "trash thread" when I see them.
Yeah, splitting all those troublesome Sanders people who voted for Clinton off and drumming them out of the party, that'll win all elections from now on!
OnDoutside
(20,568 posts)Democratic party, but gives little in return. What does it say to a Dem member that he demands so much but rejected joining you ? At the least, it's a lack of respect for the people you are supposed to be fighting in the same trenches with.
Warpy
(112,830 posts)I'm surprised you missed that. It's why he's being quoted all over the place, especially out of context on Farcebook.
OnDoutside
(20,568 posts)big ask. I can even understand him not handing over his donor contact list, since many donated on the basis he was an independent. He would have to ask each o them if they wanted their info passed I've to the DNC. His joining the party would be him saying we are one.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)JudyM
(29,484 posts)demmiblue
(37,667 posts)I remember the influx of disruptors during March, April and May of last year.
I put dozens upon dozens of them on ignore. 95% of them had their posting privileges revoked (low count posters, usually), stopped posting after the summer/fall (relatively new huge count posters), and/or didn't accept the new ToS after DU got hacked.
JudyM
(29,484 posts)No bashing Sanders. Those that aren't bots, and I believe some are real Dems, sure as hell aren't helping the party by continuing to fester and spew dreck.
Skittles
(157,106 posts)ENOUGH already
mac56
(17,599 posts)Please explain.
demmiblue
(37,667 posts)while having a Tiger Beat club card slyly tucked away in a super secret hidden compartment in a wallet.
Skittles
(157,106 posts)unfortunately
demmiblue
(37,667 posts)Skittles
(157,106 posts)it ain't so
a person is a swooner if they can handle ZERO criticism of their preferred politician
there plenty of DUers like that: they constant fools of themselves
demmiblue
(37,667 posts)Skittles
(157,106 posts)Skittles
(157,106 posts)over-the-top nonsense
mac56
(17,599 posts)Hyperbole.
EVERY FUCKING DAY, SEVERAL POSTS!
Which is fine - if you want to LOVE BERNIE, *HAVE AT IT*
just STOP expecting EVERYONE to love him - it AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN
WomenRising2017
(203 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)WomenRising2017
(203 posts)Some treat him like a deity.
I swear, I'm waiting so someone to post about what Bernie had for dinner this evening.
followed by, "Wow! That's great! Bernie is the man! Everyone should eat that for dinner tonight."
and of course, "Anyone who doesn't eat what Bernie had for dinner is a centrist or (insult various insult here)."
Skittles
(157,106 posts)LOL, a DUer claims I "made it up"
clueless
WomenRising2017
(203 posts)Look out below,
Skittles
(157,106 posts)fucking CLUELESS
melman
(7,681 posts)Totally made up.
dgauss
(964 posts)That is an amusing thought!
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The bots obey the commands.
betsuni
(27,120 posts)and nothing even vaguely resembling fake news of being bots? That's stupid. At least they're leaving David Brock out of it. We all used to be paid by David Brock, of course.
Cha
(303,021 posts)fall back when the going gets rough.. they can't handle it.
kentuck
(112,323 posts)Quite the contrary, actually.
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)Perhaps that is how some people want it.
Progressive dog
(7,189 posts)after Bernie. Nope, it couldn't.
mopinko
(71,383 posts)rzemanfl
(30,177 posts)is not a member of the party.
Skittles
(157,106 posts)HE IS *NOT* A DEMOCRAT
rzemanfl
(30,177 posts)Ms. Toad
(35,194 posts)since Skinner & company have expressly stated that it does apply to Bernie.
Skittles
(157,106 posts)and if the rules here include independents, it SHOULD STATE that - right now, it says DEMOCRATS
Ms. Toad
(35,194 posts)Do not post disrespectful nicknames, insults, or highly inflammatory attacks against any Democratic public figures. Do not post anything that could be construed as bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for any Democratic general election candidate, and do not compare any Democratic general election candidate unfavorably to their general election opponent(s).
Why we have this rule: Our forum members support and admire a wide variety of Democratic politicians and public figures. Constructive criticism is always welcome, but our members don't expect to see Democrats viciously denigrated on this website. This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders).
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
Skittles
(157,106 posts)for switching to be a Dem SOLELY for the purpose of running for president, the rule I "broke" stated I could not trash DEMOCRATS
and by the way, that is the VERY DEFINITION of opportunism, so HOW is that trashing?
if he truly ALIGNED with Dems, he would BE ONE
DONE here because I am SICK of talking about *BERNIE*
Ms. Toad
(35,194 posts)I quoted the rule for you in its entirety - and the very last line expressly prohibits trashing (generally) Independents who caucus with Democrats, and (specifically) Bernie Sanders.
rzemanfl
(30,177 posts)Ms. Toad
(35,194 posts)People serving on juries should read the rule they are asked to enforce.
Do not post disrespectful nicknames, insults, or highly inflammatory attacks against any Democratic public figures. Do not post anything that could be construed as bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for any Democratic general election candidate, and do not compare any Democratic general election candidate unfavorably to their general election opponent(s).
Why we have this rule: Our forum members support and admire a wide variety of Democratic politicians and public figures. Constructive criticism is always welcome, but our members don't expect to see Democrats viciously denigrated on this website. This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders).
ProfessorGAC
(68,632 posts)So, there's no "i forgot" involved. Every single time i get the blue bar at the top of the screen and i click i can serve now, you see the text of the rule in question.
GAC
marlakay
(11,977 posts)For good...
JudyM
(29,484 posts)Demsrule86
(70,676 posts)sort of posts are popping up is because of some stuff Bernie said...about the Democratic Party and about Ossoff...and apparently supporting a pro-life candidate which I was unaware of. I intend to ignore Bernie. He can't possibly be planning another run or he would not say such stuff...and we have bigger fish to fry...resisting Trump.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Since ossof is getting attacked with the progressive label in a red state.
So touting him as progressive would be a bad move anyways.
Bernie is doing him a favor.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)My concern is it might hurt on the left.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)Repubs gonna vote republican...where was the outreach to the disenfranchised who tend to stay home? Isn't that Sanders magical power?
elfin
(6,262 posts)What possible entity would like to keep the Dems at each others throats like the Reps are?
Hmmm.
The vitriol is suspicious and destructive.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,980 posts)...which is driving some crazy. It is soiling their "Bernie trashes Democrats" taking point and they are throwing up a storm to distract from the fact that the National Democratic Party is serious about healing any left over divisions on our side after the last campaign.
There is nothing like the head of the DNC launching a national tour with Bernie Sanders to promote unity, to get a certain mind set all up in arms about Sanders really being our adversary rather than ally.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)of the Democratic party.
WomenRising2017
(203 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,980 posts)ProfessorGAC
(68,632 posts)I see the comments as criticism. You see them as insults. Therein lies the difference, i believe.
applegrove
(121,797 posts)to gin up hate. People are believing Bernie on universal health care, even the GOP base.
onecaliberal
(35,139 posts)JudyM
(29,484 posts)Every.time.his.name.is.mentioned, away they go with the same ol same ol tirade. Like in this thread. You might be right.
onecaliberal
(35,139 posts)Those who are and choose to continue this bullshit are working against us all. Trump and respiblicans are the ones we need to defeat and resist. We can't continue the ridiculous dog and pony show that makes Bernie the enemy. Especially when he's done so much for so many for so long. It's counterproductive.
Cha
(303,021 posts)and he won't stop.
Why the hell can't he be called out on it? Hmm?
ProfessorPlum
(11,327 posts)Seems pretty obvious, doesn't it
ProfessorPlum
(11,327 posts)certain forces don't like.
WomenRising2017
(203 posts)Dopers_Greed
(2,647 posts)...Sanders is nitpicking about how the DNC is running things internally.
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Gothmog
(152,238 posts)I admit that I really found Sanders' statement to be extremely selfish and disappointing https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028950982
TygrBright
(20,936 posts)johnp3907
(3,821 posts)GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)For example, I was actually convinced that Stein was a legitimate GP candidate, and that Assange and Snowden were heroes of open democracy. And they all turned out to be representatives of Russia United.
Any time a division appears within the forces of the resistance, and is wedged open further by inflammatory sentiments, I get suspicious that shit is being stirred by "dark actors playing games."
It has become very hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys. FBI? CIA? NSA? Good guys or bad guys? Progressive politicians and senior party staff- good or bad? It's impossible to tell, due to the FUD and mindfucks that have been spread by the botnets.
That loss of confidence and trust is a disaster for a democracy.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)You don't think they wait til elections season to start factioning Dems, do you?
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)democrank
(11,230 posts)Apparently they believe the only way to turn red states blue is through hating Bernie, disparaging Independents and those on the "far left"....and making it clear that any discussions of changes needed in the Democratic Party will not be tolerated.
Unless this demand for party purity changes, the number of Independents will only grow.
mac56
(17,599 posts)Not easily, because there were many posters I generally enjoy.
There are bigger forces at work here and I refuse to be manipulated.
RandySF
(66,921 posts)So it's a non-issue.
KentuckyWoman
(6,842 posts)Been seeing it on the DU since my sister got me hooked in 2006. It speaks to how influential this website is
The other part is the factoid of the day breaks and opinions are like hiney holes.
This is my opinion and I'm sticking with it.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)fraction of people who stayed home or bad-mouthed Hillary took a toll.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)We're sick of an Independent trying to tell another party what to do and questioning an ACTUAL Democrat running in a very important race.
So no worries. Back to the Pine Barrens.
gordianot
(15,440 posts)Treason with a foreign enemy, pure corruption for personal profit at levels never seen in the executive branch, threatening nuclear war in Southeast Asia, signs of mental illness in the chief executive, the federal government is becoming a shambles as institutions are purposely sabatoged. This is a time for resistance not petty division.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Nobody gets a blank check.
betsuni
(27,120 posts)He's in a leadership position. I thought constructive criticism of the things establishment politicians say was good so future campaigns can be successful. Now suddenly it's bad?
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)More like centrist establishment
CentralMass
(15,440 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)The Dem party. I didn't even vote fot the guy, but I am sick and tired of the constant venum. I can imagine how his supporters must feel...like avoiding all the bile being flung at them.
Cha
(303,021 posts)his insulting the Democratic Party?
And, now you're being insulting.. this is what BS is being called out on..
Accusing the Democratic Party of being.. "feeble" and "can't fight back"on Rachel's Show and "..the Democratic Party of the elite" in Boston with Senator Warren..
When ssarandon is the Elitist..
Who suckered the LOW INFORMATION voters with LIES like these..
"The prominent Sanders backer also predicted that a Hillary Clinton indictment was "inevitable"
Susan Sarandon: Hillary Clinton more dangerous than Donald Trump
http://www.salon.com/2016/06/03/susan_sarandon_hillary_clinton_more_dangerous_than_donald_trump/
poor ssarandon "had to change her phone number.." while the rest of the country that isn't so well off have to worry about this among other trumpshite..
Link to tweet
..he insults Dems Who are out there on the Front Lines Fighting for our Very Lives..
He's Wrong and Divisive.. only helping trump, the gop, and the m$m.
Dems have our BACKs and I have theirs.
Truth.. Our Dems ARE Fighting for us..
Democratic Congressman Calls for 'Total and Complete Shutdown' of Trump Agenda in Congress
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028837680
Maxine Waters? Tweets: Meet Donald Trump's Kremlin Klan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028839413
Top Dem calls for investigation into House Intelligence chairman
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736108
Schumer: Democrats will filibuster Gorsuch nomination
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141736192
Al Franken: What was Merrick Garland about?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028836324
Woah. Rep Schiff: New evidence of Trump/Russia collusion "would merit a grand jury investigation"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028840444
Thanks to Franken and Klobuchar for helping Dems understand why Gorsuch must be filibustered
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028838216
And, this..
FactCheck.org: Sanders Wrong on Voter Turnout
Sanders Wrong on Voter Turnout
snip//
Sen. Bernie Sanders wrongly claimed that voter turnout in 2016 was the lowest in 20 years. In fact, turnout was higher than it was in 2012.
The overall turnout was 60.2 percent in 2016, up from 58.6 percent four years earlier. In addition, the percentage of eligible voters casting ballots for president in 2016 was 59.3 percent the third highest in the last 44 years. Only 2008 and 2004 were higher.
More..
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/04/sanders-wrong-voter-turnout/
If he didn't insult us all the time.. I wouldn't be calling him out. He's divisive and wrong.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Many of our Democratic leaders. However, even though I never voted for him, IMHO, Bernie, warts and all, deserves credit for sticking out his neck& keeping his nose to the grindstone and fighting for our democracy, even though he is not technically a Democrat. He could make it easier by just joining up, but that's his choice for whatever reason. I'm just saying, give the guy a break.
synergie
(1,901 posts)this condition and the people who are being attacked for daring to point out that the guy's statements on a daily basis are irritating people who make up the Democratic party.
We too are sick of the constant venom coming from him and his supporters, who seem to think that playing victim will blind everyone to who is throwing that substance that is not bile.
Also, please learn what OCD is and why using it to insult people is disrespectful. Also, pay some attention to the trajectory of that venom, the hostility you're picking up on has a little something to do with what's constantly being flung at Democrats, we're getting tired of all the ridiculous abuse.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)the time by layman, who intend no technical, DSM, meaning. I was not using it as defined in the DSM.
I'm just saying, give the guy a break. He is energetically advocating for progressive causes, and he does have many people who HEAR him, who didn't hear traditional Democrats. This is so silly. I didn't even vote for him, but it is ridiculous when we can't even recognize his efforts.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)GMOs are to blame.
delisen
(6,349 posts)I've seen several threads started by pro-Sanders posters.
synergie
(1,901 posts)Apparently some people can't figure out that addressing what he's currently saying has nothing to do with last year.
Yes, here we are with a torrent of threads addressing the mean and stupendously ridiculous things Bernie has been saying on his book tour.
A skeptic might wonder if all the "why are you bashing Bernie by quoting his own words" threads are being orchestrated by the toxic element that has been at play here with their torrent of "Praise be upon Bernie" threads in the past couple of weeks.
The projection is amazing, not very convincing though.
betsuni
(27,120 posts)uponit7771
(91,178 posts)LonePirate
(13,807 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)And his independence does seem to be interfering with his duties.
TNLib
(1,819 posts)Does that mean he is now fair game?
I believe so, if he keeps running his mouth and it's perceived to be hurting other democrats.
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)and it probably never will be. Perez and Sanders are together on the unity tour but some seem to think that would translate to putting issues and differences aside. I don't agree with that point of view, they appear to be playing good cop-bad cop intentionally. We have John Conyers bill to address healthcare problems related to ACA, we have always had division within the party and we should be honest about why some support it and some are reluctant to do so. The donor class is real on our side and that is what the fight is about but some are so caught up in the personalities I think they are blind to what change is needed. Our losses are well over 900 hundred and it is not the blame of any one person within the Democratic Party. This push pull is going to happen for at least the next year and a half. Unity should not be interpreted as forgetting differences, they are real and must be sorted out. I get e-mails from Senators in the form of surveys and they are clearly looking to see what direction Democrats want them to go.