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Has anyone read Matt Taibbi's book, Shattered, about the Clinton campaign? (Original Post) Chasstev365 Apr 2017 OP
Matt Taibbi has hated Hillary for years. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #1
Taibbi didn't write the book. I'm reading it now and it seems pretty objective. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #24
His books about the race/c;ass divide in criminal justice QC Apr 2017 #25
There's multiple threads lies Apr 2017 #2
matt taibbi thinks there is no russian hacking. I think Cha Apr 2017 #3
Well put Cha! hrmjustin Apr 2017 #5
Hey Justin! Cha Apr 2017 #9
he did not write this book.. johnathan allen and amie parnes did. spanone Apr 2017 #11
Yeah, I read that.. thanks spanone.. I looked at my Cha Apr 2017 #12
yep nini Apr 2017 #20
They like his Cha Apr 2017 #21
I have to tell you I am just as sick and tired of the Clinton bashing as I am Bernie bashing. onecaliberal Apr 2017 #4
matt taibbi DID NOT WRITE 'shattered' spanone Apr 2017 #6
I plan on buying none jrthin Apr 2017 #7
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Apr 2017 #14
Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes wrote Shattered. From interviews I have heard, they interviewed jmg257 Apr 2017 #8
The fact that Putin funded it? AngryAmish Apr 2017 #15
post link to fact, please? spanone Apr 2017 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author SticksnStones Apr 2017 #10
Shattered is NOT Matt Taibbi's book. It is a book by Jonathan Allen & Amie Parnes. Taibbi may be still_one Apr 2017 #13
Apologists for Dictatorships delisen Apr 2017 #22
Hindsight is 20/20 jehop61 Apr 2017 #16
I can't read RUSSIAN... stonecutter357 Apr 2017 #17
Why haven't you corrected the title of your post? SticksnStones Apr 2017 #19
It's not Matt Taibbi's book - different authors. Just started reading it. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #23
Because maggot is so MFM008 Apr 2017 #26
edit your thread post . JHan Apr 2017 #27
Was he a ghost... Mike Nelson Apr 2017 #28
The reviews on Amazon are interesting - many of the negative reviews complain The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #29
a lot of responses to the book are based on the excerpts media outlets choose to highlight JHan Apr 2017 #30
The authors, WHO ARE NOT MATT TAIBBI, seem to have done a lot of legwork. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #31
i wish the OP would edit the title, JHan Apr 2017 #32
Yes, JHan Apr 2017 #33
Based on watching 4 different interviews with the authors, I won't even bother to read it...this is Pachamama Apr 2017 #34

QC

(26,371 posts)
25. His books about the race/c;ass divide in criminal justice
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:55 AM
Apr 2017

and the financial crisis are both very good.

 

lies

(315 posts)
2. There's multiple threads
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:08 AM
Apr 2017

about this... and the response is basically, "the book is russian propaganda and all a stupid lie".

Cha

(294,597 posts)
12. Yeah, I read that.. thanks spanone.. I looked at my
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:26 AM
Apr 2017

post again...and decided it still stands.

nini

(16,670 posts)
20. yep
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:12 AM
Apr 2017

he did his part to get us where we're at.

The fact people can't see through him boggles the mind.

onecaliberal

(32,109 posts)
4. I have to tell you I am just as sick and tired of the Clinton bashing as I am Bernie bashing.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:10 AM
Apr 2017

Fact: Secretary Clinton won by 3 million votes. Because of republican cheating and gerrymandering that orange lunatic is occupying the White House.

jrthin

(4,804 posts)
7. I plan on buying none
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:14 AM
Apr 2017

of these books and boycotting CNN. Those activities make me feel better. Additionally, when I can, I will starve any corporation ( by withholding my dollars) who aid and abet the mess we are in.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
8. Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes wrote Shattered. From interviews I have heard, they interviewed
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:16 AM
Apr 2017

hundreds of people related to the campaign.

Don't know what wouldn't be legit about it.

Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

still_one

(91,481 posts)
13. Shattered is NOT Matt Taibbi's book. It is a book by Jonathan Allen & Amie Parnes. Taibbi may be
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:30 AM
Apr 2017

adding his opinion about the book, but he isn't the author.

Taibbi hates Hillary, so it is no surprise that he would jump on anything to get an opportunity to slam her.

He is very defensive about Putin, and argues and goes out of his way to say there is no proof that Russia interfered in our election, saying because we were "lied to about the WMDs", as though somehow that proves his assertion, which it doesn't, and then claims those who have been saying so are behaving like "Joe McCarthy". Under baseless claim.

Both Taibbi and Greewald are over-rated, and there personal bias makes them not objective at all



delisen

(6,036 posts)
22. Apologists for Dictatorships
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:36 AM
Apr 2017

and either/or thinking.

Just because our spy agencies have done bad things and lied to us does not Ean Putin is not intervening in our elections and trying to destabilize western democracies.



We are supposed to be understanding of Russia's desire for a warm weather port or for buffer states, or desire to breakup western alliances.

Ah, poor Russia-so misunderstood.

There is a part of the American Left and the American Right that is pro-dictatorship and part that is highly tolerant of dictatorship in foreign policy.





jehop61

(1,735 posts)
16. Hindsight is 20/20
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:40 AM
Apr 2017

If she had won, they would have used the same set of facts to say what a brilliant campaign she'd run. Won't buy this obvious attack on the person who lost. Time to look at our campaign for the future.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(114,537 posts)
23. It's not Matt Taibbi's book - different authors. Just started reading it.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:52 AM
Apr 2017

The authors' approach seems pretty objective. What I've read so far describes the destructive infighting among the campaign personnel during the primaries - haven't got as far as the Russia/Comey materials yet.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
27. edit your thread post .
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:18 AM
Apr 2017

And news organizations would excerpt the most controversial bits that don't mirror the overall tone of the book for clicks and ratings.

but seriously .. just edit your title, Taibibi is not the author.

Mike Nelson

(9,812 posts)
28. Was he a ghost...
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:43 AM
Apr 2017

...co-writer? I hear is gossipy and doesn't really explore Republican mechanics - and, of course, that Hillary won the vote handily.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(114,537 posts)
29. The reviews on Amazon are interesting - many of the negative reviews complain
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:52 AM
Apr 2017

that the book was too favorable toward Hillary; many others complain that it was too critical of her. So, it looks like a lot of people are reading it through the prism of their existing bias. The fact that there seems to be no clear consensus among readers as to whether the book was pro- or anti- Hillary suggests that the authors were at least somewhat objective in their reporting.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
30. a lot of responses to the book are based on the excerpts media outlets choose to highlight
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:55 AM
Apr 2017

because clicks and ratings.

but their book on Hillary's stint at the State Department is VERY good and destroys ridiculous rumors that were floating about when Obama picked her as SoS. And covers her frustrations and successes as Secretary of State.

I suspect I won't agree with everything in this book, but I have some confidence in the authors.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(114,537 posts)
31. The authors, WHO ARE NOT MATT TAIBBI, seem to have done a lot of legwork.
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 11:58 AM
Apr 2017

My impression so far is that they tried to be fair. People do tend to let their biases color their opinions.

Pachamama

(16,825 posts)
34. Based on watching 4 different interviews with the authors, I won't even bother to read it...this is
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:00 PM
Apr 2017

...in my opinion just another post election money making book opportunity and whether there are factual reporting in it or not, we have heard it pretty much all before and it's a story that happens in every election and with all candidates in some form or manner (i.e. Incompetent people, fighting between staffers, not having the right message etc). But it's completely irrelevant and a waste of time because in my opinion, even if Clinton had run the most flawless, perfect campaign - this election was tampered with and a foreign nation worked against this candidate with cyberwarfare and bits and misinformation and fake news and colluding with the opponent and therefore it's IRRELEVANT.

Maybe the authors would have better spent their time researching the Russian hacking and interference and writing a book on that instead of a whiny book about what the Clinton campaign did wrong.

All you need to know (and to save your money) is to just see several interviews with the authors and you know all you need to know.....nothing new or of value.

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