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CousinIT

(12,541 posts)
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 04:09 PM Apr 2017

The Great Yellow Turd's tax plan rumored to be out tomorrow possibly incl DEFUNDING SOCIAL SECURITY

PLEASE SHARE FAR AND WIDE -- AND CALL YOUR REPS MONDAY ( 202-224-3121 ) AND ASK THEM TO OPPOSE ANY FICA TAX CUTS OR OTHER EFFORTS TO CUT OR DESTROY SOCIAL SECURITY!

Having suffered defeat on their frontal attacks against Social Security, Trump and his Republican allies in Congress appear to be contemplating a stealth attack, instead. In the 1980s, Republicans, who had long tried but failed to cut government programs directly, discovered a new tactic. They realized that they could undermine government and eventually force cuts to spending by cutting taxes and, in their words, starve the beast. Now, Trump is making plans to use that same tactic against Social Security.

Not only would the Trump proposal starve Social Security of dedicated revenue, it would ultimately destroy it. Social Security is not a government handout. It is wage insurance that the American people earn, as part of their compensation, and, indeed, pay for with deductions from their pay.

. . .

It is common today to refer to FICA premiums as payroll taxes, but that is misleading in two respects. First, workers don’t have payrolls. More fundamentally, these are premiums, not mere taxes. Referring to Social Security premiums as taxes blurs the distinction between them and taxes that are held in the general fund and can be used for any Constitutional purpose that Congress chooses.

Unlike those general revenues, Social Security revenues are held in trust and can be used only for Social Security. Because no benefits can be paid unless their cost is covered by Social Security’s dedicated revenue and because Social Security has no ability to borrow money, it does not and cannot add to the deficit.


Trump’s proposal would change all of that. The fact that beneficiaries have purchased their benefits with contributions gives them a strong claim to those benefits. This is essential because there is generally a very long lag time – forty or more years – from the moment workers begin to contribute to Social Security and the receipt of benefits.

. . .

Those numbers tell the story. Trump’s real goal is the destruction of Social Security.

No one should be fooled by Trump’s campaign promise not to cut Social Security. Before he became a candidate, he called it a Ponzi scheme and advocated privatizing it. He chose, as his vice president, Mike Pence, who complained that the Bush privatization proposal didn’t go far enough, fast enough. As President, he has chosen a staunch opponent of Social Security, Mick Mulvaney, as his budget director, and another staunch opponent, Tom Price, as Secretary of Health and Human Services (one of Social Security’s trustees.) This latest proposal is in keeping with his actions and his earlier, more honest statements of his views.

Americans should hold Trump accountable for his promises not to cut Social Security or Medicare. But they should also remember his earlier attacks on these programs, and be on guard for this, and other, Trojan horses that would promise working Americans “gifts” while fundamentally destroying the economic protections they have earned and deserve.


https://www.socialsecurityworks.org/2017/04/11/trumps-trojan-horse-attack-social-security/
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still_one

(98,883 posts)
2. They don't have the votes to defund the most popular program in the country
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 04:27 PM
Apr 2017

He can spew whatever bullshit he wants, but it isn't going to happen. There are republicans who won't go for it.

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
6. I suppose the teabaggers
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:34 PM
Apr 2017

won't go for it because it doesn't end benefits immediately.

Other than that, I don't see a whole lot on that side who wouldn't love to see a lot of old people starving in the streets.

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
7. If the republicans somehow did that, it would be political suicide and they know it
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:50 PM
Apr 2017

Just look what happened with the ACA repeal, they didn't have the votes, and SS is much more popular than the ACA, so realistically I just don't see it happening

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
8. I don't know that it would
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:52 PM
Apr 2017

I have a lot less belief that most people are not dumb as a bag of hammers.

They get rid of FICA. The stupid ones say "HEY! I've got more money in my paycheck! Thank you Trump!".

As long as grandma keeps getting her SS check until the 2018 election, they figure it's a win/win.

I certainly hope they aren't that fucking stupid, but I no longer bet on it.

MoonRiver

(36,975 posts)
13. Except that a lot of teabags ARE those old people, who would be starving on the streets.
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 09:41 AM
Apr 2017

I know a few, including a relative and dear animal rights friend. NOT going to fly.

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
15. I wish I still thought that they understood that
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 09:52 AM
Apr 2017

But it seems that a lot of people just don't care as long as they get to stick it to someone who they perceive as "less" than they are.

So, they're willing to hurt themselves if they think it will harm the group(s) that is the focus of their hatred more.

Perhaps living in a red state makes me more cynical. But my optimism has been destroyed.

MoonRiver

(36,975 posts)
16. Maybe when they have no food and/or potable water they will understand.
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 11:49 AM
Apr 2017

But maybe not.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
3. He really DOES want the people to hate him, doesn't he. Way too many people depend on sSS for
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 04:36 PM
Apr 2017

survival and I'm one of them! I kept hearing it was Ryan's idea to "fix SS" and if it's in the budget, I think it was Ryan's contribution to the cause. I'll sure join all the other seniors and disabled people to protest this stupid idea. or damn sure we need it a hell of a lot more than the rch need another tax cut!

colsohlibgal

(5,276 posts)
4. Good Luck With That
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:21 PM
Apr 2017

Talk about the people storming the Hill with pitchforks.

That just will not happen.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
5. This is the plan
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:30 PM
Apr 2017

1. defund and convert SS and medicare into general funds programs
2. when economy tanks, (and it is headed that way), cry cry cry about how we must tackle the huge deficits (caused by his own and W's tax plans). 'Means test" both programs so that only the poorest folks get anything from now on, causing massive class and age hatred.
3. When class hatred has been pumped to a froth, cut the remaining programs 'only going to useless takers, illegal immigrants and them...'

Gotta stop this at step 1.

CousinIT

(12,541 posts)
12. Yep. Once they get those trillions into the general fund where they can SPEND it...
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 09:36 AM
Apr 2017

...it's GONE and we'll never see OUR money again.

And Social Security will be DEAD.

maxsolomon

(38,727 posts)
9. the 3rd Rail of American Politics
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:55 PM
Apr 2017

Old White People put him in office. Old White People live on SS.

This is Hubris, and will leave him with a base of 20%. So, by all means, propose it. The AARP backlash will be hilarious.

What a fucking clown.

CousinIT

(12,541 posts)
10. BUMP. Turd's tax plan coming out today. Look for what he calls "middle class tax cuts"
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 09:35 AM
Apr 2017

It may include this FICA cuts or complete elimination.

FICA is not taxes. It's an insurance premium. It pays for retirement insurance (social security) and unemployment insurance.

What happens when we stop paying our insurance premiums?

We LOSE our insurance coverage.

In this case we'd LOSE our social security and UI - at least.

TURD may want to pass that off as a "tax cut".

FICA is NOT a TAX so this is NOT a "tax cut". It's DEFUNDING OF RETIREMENT INSURANCE MOST AMERICANS NEED OR WILL NEED.

CousinIT

(12,541 posts)
14. Just called my 2 senators & congresscritter.
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 09:41 AM
Apr 2017

Had to leave a VM for one. Takes less than 5 minutes.

Not sure this nasty thing will be included in TURD's new "tax plan" but just in case it is, I'm calling my reps NOW asking them to OPPOSE any elimination of or cuts to FICA payments.

I am VERY CAREFUL not to call FICA a "tax". It's NOT.

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