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Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:56 AM

Can a crazy president be removed from office?

From Cecil Adam's column, The Straight Dope:

Dear Cecil:

How crazy must the President of the United States be before it's considered cool to refuse an order? If the president orders an all-out nuclear attack on Canada, is the proper response "Yes, Mr. President,Ē or to throw the lunatic in a cell?


Dear Cecil:

What does it take to remove a sitting president who is obviously mentally ill? I don't think I need to say any more than that.


Cecil replies:

Iím starting to see a pattern to the questions Iíve been receiving lately: itís almost as though, for some reason, readers have suddenly become preoccupied with the notion of a president being psychologically unfit to serve. The good news is that a presidentís civilian and military underlings can certainly refuse to carry out illegal orders, and we likely have a constitutional procedure in place for removing a chief executive whoís no longer quite all there. The bad news? None of it's likely to help much.


The rest at:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3338/can-a-crazy-president-be-removed-from-office?utm_campaign=1781882_The Straight Dope%3A 04%2F28%2F2017&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ChicagoReader&dm_i=2JCR,126WQ,2KTJUC,35QUX,1

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:25 AM

1. If the political party in charge of the House and Senate is doing their job, yes.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:43 AM

2. It goes without saying, but we need to take back the House and Senate.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:52 AM

3. Not "likely have", we DO have, it's the 25th amendment...

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/9/14488980/25th-amendment-trump-pence

It's not that we don't have a way to remove Trump. The question is will the Republicans use it to remove him? If so what will it take to push them into saving their own asses with their voters and corp owners over continuing with someone who clearly isn't mentally capable and is dragging them down into the swamp's quick sand with him?

If Rs don't impeach him and Dems win control in 2018 will they impeach him and deal with Pence or leave him restrained by them in the hope that Dems win president in '20?

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Response to WePurrsevere (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:17 AM

4. McConnell & Ryan will never impeach him, they're complicit

They'd be impeaching themselves along with Trump. That's why they're all going to sink together.




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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 11:59 AM

8. That's another fine mess you've gotten us into...

So apropos...

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:24 AM

5. This crap keeps coming up

from people who should know better. 45 has a kind of privilege and disposition that is far outside of our experience. This is a guy who has been publicly rewarded rather than criticized for his claim of business expertise despite numerous bankruptcies. It seems he has not been held accountable in his business or personal life. Sick of the marriage? Pay her off. Nothing about his campaign or presidency thus far, suggests that he was intellectually prepared for, truly interested in doing the job, or takes it seriously. What kind of guy does this? One who is laughing with all of these ridiculous tweets and rhetoric. The WH has revealed that they are using the platform for their entertainment.

Aside from the laziness of searching for pathology rather than seeing the con and recognizing that he is from a very different world that has produced an anomaly but not necessarily pathology it is a strategy that opens the door for future conservative "experts" to take down the next liberal president. Surely we learned a lesson about political spite in 1998! Precedent is motivating and enabling.
The effect of the rhetoric is damaging and a precedent would be moreso for regular citizens. Suspected mental illness would easily be given more flexibility for employers, schools, and other entities to used against people who are considered liabilities, or simply unwanted. How do you think the ADA would hold up under this court?

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:38 AM

6. If you read the article, you would have seen that Adam concludes the following (after an anecdote

about someone in the Reagan WH wanting to remove Ronnie):

So I suspect weíll be stuck with the current fellow ó whose persistently outrageous behavior, Iíll note, hasnít thus far proven disqualifying ó for another 44 months minimum. Then again, if the ascent of Trump teaches us anything, itís that predicting the future is a textbook mugís game.


This column illustrates the fact that America isn't happy with their choice and that people are desperate for a way to remove him. It doesn't say that is likely to happen.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 11:57 AM

7. I know I have knee jerk responses

Your title reflects an ongoing theme, and the word "crazy" communicates to me participation in the ongoing accusations of 45 having a mental illness.

Whether deliberate or sincere, such claims exploit ableist representations and attitudes toward people with mental illness. Most of us are well aware of the fear of mental illness. And, the discrediting effects of such a diagnosis are felt and noticed widely. Both are damaging and regardless of motives, those are the effects they have on the lives of people with mental illness.

I know many people who live with various psychiatric disorders and their experiences with the above are very sad. I have epilepsy and it has a longstanding history of exactly the same types of assumptions and stereotypes. In fact they were once lumped together and all called lunatics. It's like they're my brothers and sister, so I am defensive when I see all of these posts that make assertions about 45s mental health.

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