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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,174 posts)
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:25 PM Apr 2017

"The hackers were paid by the Trump organisation, but were under the control of Vladimir Putin[ ]"




The December memo alleged that four Trump representatives travelled to Prague in August or September in 2016 for “secret discussions with Kremlin representatives and associated operators/hackers”, about how to pay hackers secretly for penetrating Democratic party computer systems and “contingency plans for covering up operations”.

Between March and September, the December memo alleges, the hackers used botnets and porn traffic to transmit viruses, plant bugs and steal data online from Democratic party leadership. Two of the hackers had been “recruited under duress by the FSB” the memo said. The hackers were paid by the Trump organisation, but were under the control of Vladimir Putin’s presidential administration.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/28/trump-russia-intelligence-uk-government-m16-kremlin

If that's true, and intelligence confirms this....holy balls.

And it needs to be shouted from the rooftops.

Why do I think that tidbit--and the possibility that it was confirmed--is what caused all the grim faces from the Senate Intelligence Committee after their FBI briefings a couple of months ago?

That's major, major, major stuff.
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"The hackers were paid by the Trump organisation, but were under the control of Vladimir Putin[ ]" (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2017 OP
If true it's enormous wryter2000 Apr 2017 #1
Plausible deniability. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2017 #2
that he old pic of feinstein and grassley right? certainot Apr 2017 #44
Thats if its true the other possibility is that any Trump links to Russia are red herrings meant to cstanleytech Apr 2017 #26
McConnell was pretty sure he'd get a chance to vote on a GOP Supreme Court justice More_Cowbell Apr 2017 #90
Moscow Mitch knew the fix was in...nt LaydeeBug Apr 2017 #118
He also took millions of dollars of laundered Russian money. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #122
All day long. nt LaydeeBug Apr 2017 #125
This about to chew major Wellstone ruled Apr 2017 #3
b-b-b-b-but EMAILS! 0rganism Apr 2017 #4
and Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, ... the vast right-wing conspiracy at work. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #105
This POS asked Russia to hack Hillary during his campaign bathroommonkey76 Apr 2017 #5
It's one of those things that's not at all surprising.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2017 #7
Sure does. elleng Apr 2017 #49
It really does. Chemisse Apr 2017 #95
I'm surprised that anybody is surprised. As you say, Trump said this. yardwork Apr 2017 #71
Of course. dalton99a May 2017 #137
the Guardian is reliable oldtime dfl_er Apr 2017 #6
An approval rate in the low 30s... Blanks Apr 2017 #12
Yep, step by step gratuitous Apr 2017 #33
I don't think we can count on this. JudyM Apr 2017 #81
He's trending downward... Blanks Apr 2017 #85
What kind of deal are you anticipating? Ninsianna Apr 2017 #92
China has indicated willingness to broker a deal... and has more influence than anyone over NK as JudyM Apr 2017 #96
I completely agree. cilla4progress Apr 2017 #110
Comey threw the election to Trump. Lonestarblue Apr 2017 #29
Irrefutable. cilla4progress Apr 2017 #111
Without the British sources, we would still be in the dark! Steele, Mensch, L. Coyote Apr 2017 #128
Republican traitors against America suck Achilleaze Apr 2017 #8
They said this last night on Lawrence O'Donnell. BigmanPigman Apr 2017 #19
+ 1,000 Achilleaze Apr 2017 #32
Plus 2,000,000 Auntie Bush Apr 2017 #104
Welcome to DU bdamomma Apr 2017 #132
holy shit ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #9
I hope it's true, but... Adrahil Apr 2017 #10
Fitzmas.... SergeStorms Apr 2017 #89
Oh, I have no doubt that many of the allegations are true... Adrahil Apr 2017 #106
K&R! stonecutter357 Apr 2017 #11
K&R red dog 1 Apr 2017 #13
Wow! That's pretty serious if proven. herding cats Apr 2017 #14
This makes Watergate look like jaywalking in comparison. (nm) Elwood P Dowd Apr 2017 #15
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Apr 2017 #16
She looks weary. murielm99 Apr 2017 #17
Sent to Rachel triron Apr 2017 #18
I did, too! calimary Apr 2017 #83
Excellent! Good on you, calimary NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #86
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #20
Cool, dude. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2017 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #28
Yeah, only 17 different intelligence agencies spouting "fake news". Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2017 #31
The terms "fake news" and "no evidence" are right out of their playbook. Elwood P Dowd Apr 2017 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #37
You're a smooth, smoothie, ya know? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2017 #40
Dammit MIRT. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2017 #41
More like a few seconds. Awesome prediction. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #102
Seriously, go fuck yourself..... nt Guy Whitey Corngood Apr 2017 #42
Bravo! Tell it like it is!! Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #46
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! byronius Apr 2017 #36
Single post with no links to its rebuttal Liberalagogo Apr 2017 #24
He/she has about 5 minutes max before MIRT arrives. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2017 #25
Can BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #48
Joined at 306p CT, first post (#20) at 309p, I alerted 313p.... I will be following this person progree Apr 2017 #38
Your insightful reply assures me that you'll be a valuable long-term member of DU. mac56 Apr 2017 #27
Say hello to your buddies at the GOPutin. (nm) Elwood P Dowd Apr 2017 #30
uncharted territory. What does our constitution say about this sort of thing? NRaleighLiberal Apr 2017 #22
I don't think our founding fathers anticipated anything like this ever taking place. herding cats Apr 2017 #53
It doesn't say anything about a foreign power occupying the White House, L. Coyote Apr 2017 #103
The guardian is a reputable news paper. This is true. MY GOD!! boston bean Apr 2017 #23
What happened to those inaugural funds ? kimbutgar Apr 2017 #34
but i'm sure there was absolutely no tampering of the voting machines... nt TheFrenchRazor Apr 2017 #39
Of course not!!!!!! ElementaryPenguin Apr 2017 #134
C O L L U S I O N spanone Apr 2017 #43
K&R smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #45
This sounds perfectly plausible to me. Equinox Moon Apr 2017 #47
"everyone who colluded must be arrested, every EO and judicial nominee must be declared invalid" L. Coyote Apr 2017 #101
If this is confirmed, we have #Trumpgate in full view. Lock him up. nt iluvtennis Apr 2017 #50
No mercy on GOP. Root them all out. No Pence, Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #51
We need to collate threads into categories re 2016 election BSdetect Apr 2017 #54
Still a lot of speculation HopeAgain Apr 2017 #52
17 intelligence agencies who agree isn't speculation!!! Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #56
That Trump actually paid the hackers? HopeAgain Apr 2017 #60
Agreed. This is a dossier citing anonymous sources. progressoid Apr 2017 #67
Why in the hell has CNN and MSNBC not picked up on this yet? Lint Head Apr 2017 #55
Lean on them. This needs to be out in the light of day!! Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #57
I always email links to stories and call. Lint Head Apr 2017 #58
What is the court filing that brought this to light? Justice Apr 2017 #59
A Russian hacker is suing Steele for defamation. octoberlib Apr 2017 #63
Yes. It brought to light that there is a Steele Dossier 2.0 and contents. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #107
My intuition's best guess bucolic_frolic Apr 2017 #61
This BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #70
OMG. It's worse than I thought! Isn't this classified info that Feinstein is giving out? nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #62
The Feinstein pic is from a few weeks back, and just shows her reaction after the briefing. Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #65
Thanks. I misunderstood who gave the info. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #84
It was pretty obvious after that briefing cilla4progress Apr 2017 #112
Trump involving the oversight chairs in the transistion compromised Congressional investigations. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #113
Good point cilla4progress Apr 2017 #114
I told you so right away. How did i know? They're Republicans! L. Coyote Apr 2017 #64
If this is true...? kentuck Apr 2017 #66
But what about Hillary's emails? Botany Apr 2017 #68
If this is accurate, does this mean the previous administration knew about it at a time hughee99 Apr 2017 #69
They probably had bits and pieces BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #73
Greenwald and Snowden were unavailable for comment Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #72
Snowden just got his vacation stay extended BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #75
Just wait til Sally Yates testifies before the Senate Crime/Terrorism subcommittee on May 8th Mr. Ected Apr 2017 #74
I am afraid for her. Brave soul. riversedge Apr 2017 #76
She's actually got a second testimony before the House intelligence committee, not yet scheduled Mr. Ected Apr 2017 #77
I think you are entirely right here Mr. cilla4progress Apr 2017 #115
The pic is older, i was gonna use it along with everything else here for somewhere else Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #78
Shit! I had just opened this page and there's Howard Dean on MSNBC, bringing it up! calimary Apr 2017 #79
Just to clarify, is this what Louise Mensch et al. have been reporting for the past several weeks? Mr. Ected Apr 2017 #80
It is, pretty much. More_Cowbell Apr 2017 #91
The Steele Dossier II has been secret until this court filing got out, it seems. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #109
Louise Mensch is using the Palmer Report as a source? HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #126
Palmer Report is posting someone else's writing. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #127
Wait what? flamingdem Apr 2017 #82
The whole admin needs to go. NO PENCE FOR PRESIDENT. ILLEGITIMATE ELECTION. Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #87
I've been thinking that for a long time. Auntie Bush Apr 2017 #108
precisely; if pence or ryan gets in, then treason pays. nt TheFrenchRazor Apr 2017 #124
Thanks for posting this. Maybe our media will cover this tonight? KewlKat Apr 2017 #88
So glad you've found this info. Judi Lynn Apr 2017 #93
K&R!!!!!! burrowowl Apr 2017 #94
If this is true, Trump is done... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #97
Kick. dalton99a Apr 2017 #98
But it's Trump so nothing will be done. NOTHING!!! Kablooie Apr 2017 #99
sadly agree... dhill926 Apr 2017 #116
We haven't had this level of detail before. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #100
kick. nt LaydeeBug Apr 2017 #117
Get a grip people. frankieallen Apr 2017 #119
You didn't read the article, did you? Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #121
Who is ready for the indictments? One of two grand juries nearly completing their work now. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #120
K&R mcar Apr 2017 #123
kick again triron Apr 2017 #129
Kick and Rec Hekate Apr 2017 #130
K&R bdamomma Apr 2017 #131
Putin elected trump Gothmog Apr 2017 #133
so what's the hold up?? Isn't odd that the peripheral players are mostly gone? Like they are Laura PourMeADrink May 2017 #135
FBI investigations: "two grand juries ... one is almost complete" #TrumpRussia L. Coyote May 2017 #136
Says who? sellitman May 2017 #138

cstanleytech

(26,283 posts)
26. Thats if its true the other possibility is that any Trump links to Russia are red herrings meant to
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:15 PM
Apr 2017

keep the focus of the media and the public on Trump and off the real people Russia was colluding with.
Who? Well my guess would be certain members of Congress that are members of the party that currently is in majority control because they had a hell of alot to gain if Trump won the election and it would explain why they have stonewalled an independent investigation into what Russia was doing and with whom in regard to the US elections.
Plus it wouldnt be the first time they have engaged in something illegal and immoral to try and win an election.

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
90. McConnell was pretty sure he'd get a chance to vote on a GOP Supreme Court justice
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 01:59 AM
Apr 2017

I think he and Ryan are in it up to their necks. (Of course, that might be wishful thinking.)

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
3. This about to chew major
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:37 PM
Apr 2017

chunks of flesh off the Rethugs backsides.

The picture is worth millions of words. Even Grassass looks scared.

 

bathroommonkey76

(3,827 posts)
5. This POS asked Russia to hack Hillary during his campaign
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:44 PM
Apr 2017

It's no big surprise at all that his organization paid hackers to do this!

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,174 posts)
7. It's one of those things that's not at all surprising....
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:45 PM
Apr 2017

...but when you see it confirmed for yourself, it still throws you for an absolute loop.

Chemisse

(30,809 posts)
95. It really does.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 08:08 AM
Apr 2017

And part of the shock is how brazen and flagrant it all is. The idiot who people would vote for even if he shot someone on 5th Avenue, and who has gotten away with criminal acts all his life, was not afraid to do anything that would serve his purposes, and do it carelessly.

I suspect he is surprised that he is facing consequences for all this.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
71. I'm surprised that anybody is surprised. As you say, Trump said this.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:06 PM
Apr 2017

But, it's been clear for more than a year that a lot of people simply don't want to believe that Trump says what he means. I've never seen such denial and magical thinking about a candidate. People heard what they wanted to hear.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
12. An approval rate in the low 30s...
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:58 PM
Apr 2017

Until Trump's unpopularity is high enough and his popularity low enough, it won't be well received by the public.

It takes a little while.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
33. Yep, step by step
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:21 PM
Apr 2017

Don't get ahead of ourselves, don't overpromise. Let's build an airtight case so we don't have to listen to the caterwauling about how poor Donald was hounded from office by those dastardly snowflakes when he didn't do nuthin' wrong!

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
81. I don't think we can count on this.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:50 PM
Apr 2017

His polling #s will rise dramatically if he pulls off a deal with N. Korea even if via China, which is starting to look possible. As much as we want N. Korea restrained, it'd be a huge win for him, enough that I'd be concerned about 2020.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
85. He's trending downward...
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:50 PM
Apr 2017

Although I agree with you. I thought for sure Bush wasn't gonna be able to pull it off in 2004, so I'm not gonna get too comfortable.

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
96. China has indicated willingness to broker a deal... and has more influence than anyone over NK as
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 08:16 AM
Apr 2017

its high-dependency supply line. The broad outline would be inspection/controls on weapons development in exchange for a better trade portfolio/terms.

cilla4progress

(24,726 posts)
110. I completely agree.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:20 AM
Apr 2017

It's not only trump who is destroying america, it's the 96% of his supporters who are still with him who are.

It's critical to catch them at a moment when they are turned or at least turning against him, as well. Taking trump down won't work unless 70+% of us are on board.

Seems like a very plausible strategy to me. We must keep fighting his agenda for this reason, as well as on the merits.

Lonestarblue

(9,971 posts)
29. Comey threw the election to Trump.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:17 PM
Apr 2017

He is not an unbiased player. However, he may not yet have irrefutable evidence of Trump himself giving the orders. I also wonder whether the investigations are also trying to uncover proof of Trump's money laundering for Russia. He already paid a hefty fine a couple of years ago for not following money tracking rules in his casinos--no direct proof of deliberate money laundering, but a $10 million fine says a lot. Trump and his organization have probably been laundering money for Russia for years. Real estate is ideal for that purpose.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
128. Without the British sources, we would still be in the dark! Steele, Mensch,
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 07:48 PM
Apr 2017

they have broken this story in the American Press. Foreign intelligence is bringing down a criminal White House and forcing US law enforcement to look at the crimes.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
8. Republican traitors against America suck
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:49 PM
Apr 2017


The Republican Congress better get off it's corpulent corrupted ass and do something for America

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
19. They said this last night on Lawrence O'Donnell.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:09 PM
Apr 2017

NOTHING is happening on the Repub sides of the committees (Oversize and Intelligence) in both the Senate and House investigations. It will stay this way until citizens (YOU and ME) call, write, protest and go to town halls demanding a separate special investigation. It rests in our hands like the ACA repeal. RESIST!

bdamomma

(63,836 posts)
132. Welcome to DU
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:06 PM
Apr 2017

It's all in our hands, keep on being vocal, cause you know how the Republicans like to run away when they are confronted by the American people. We need to fight back in our local states.

SergeStorms

(19,193 posts)
89. Fitzmas....
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 01:58 AM
Apr 2017

I haven't heard that term in ages. And Fitzmas never came, which is the main reason I don't have great expectations about the FBI's investigation bearing fruit. I sincerely hope I'm wrong about that, but history doesn't bode well for startling allegations being proved true. We can't be caught in that trap of putting all of our eggs in a single basket. The phone calls to our Congress-critters and activism at Town Halls, marches, etc. have been working well. We can't abandon them in the hopes of some blockbuster investigation results. It would be amazing if all this conjecture comes to fruition, but slow and steady might be the only hope of stopping Trump's agenda.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
106. Oh, I have no doubt that many of the allegations are true...
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:02 AM
Apr 2017

I do have my doubts the culprits will ever be held accountable.

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
13. K&R
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:03 PM
Apr 2017

"UK was given details of alleged contacts between Trump campaign and Moscow"
is the headline of this Guardian article.

murielm99

(30,733 posts)
17. She looks weary.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:07 PM
Apr 2017

This is taking a toll on all of us. Imagine how much harder it must be for our legislators.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
83. I did, too!
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:26 PM
Apr 2017

Tweeted it.

Claude Taylor? @TrueFactsStated 11m11 minutes ago
Claude Taylor Retweeted Howard Dean
I'm asking everyone to retweet John Dean on this important article in the Guardian. He's the only A lister on this.

Claude Taylor added,



Howard DeanVerified account @GovHowardDean
UK was given details of alleged contacts between Trump campaign and Moscow https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/28/trump-russia-intelligence-uk-government-m16-kremlin?CMP=share_btn_tw
0 replies160 retweets3 likes

MY RETWEET:
THIS @JohnWDean @maddow @jaketapper @HardballChris @chrislhayes @MaddowBlog @andersoncooper @CBSNews @CNNPolitics @ABCPolitics @NBCNews @CNN

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
86. Excellent! Good on you, calimary
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:58 PM
Apr 2017

Most on your list probably already know this, but it's good to get it in front of them.

I hope something comes of this. I know the wheels of justice turn slowly, but I hope they DO turn.

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #21)

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,174 posts)
31. Yeah, only 17 different intelligence agencies spouting "fake news".
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:19 PM
Apr 2017

Not to mention Trump himself begging Putin to hack.

And various members of his team meeting with Russian officials, and bald face lying about those meetings.

But tick, tick, tick....you've got two posts in, so there's still more time to prove us all wrong.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
35. The terms "fake news" and "no evidence" are right out of their playbook.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:24 PM
Apr 2017

For some reason, republicans must think that the FBI, CIA, NSA, British Intel, and all the other law enforcement and intel agencies publish evidence they've collected on every case they're working.

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #31)

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,174 posts)
40. You're a smooth, smoothie, ya know?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:28 PM
Apr 2017

Google Hatch Act and get back to me.

“Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”

If you can explain that one away in the few minutes you probably have left here.....

byronius

(7,394 posts)
36. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:24 PM
Apr 2017

You need to put a sarcasm icon down there. People might think you're Sirius.

 

Liberalagogo

(1,770 posts)
24. Single post with no links to its rebuttal
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:12 PM
Apr 2017

Last edited Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:08 PM - Edit history (1)

I call t-word.

UPDATE: I guess I was right.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,174 posts)
25. He/she has about 5 minutes max before MIRT arrives.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:13 PM
Apr 2017

Maybe he/she can lay out his/her case in that time period?

progree

(10,901 posts)
38. Joined at 306p CT, first post (#20) at 309p, I alerted 313p.... I will be following this person
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:26 PM
Apr 2017

even if the jury doesn't "get it".

On Edit: Alerted on #37 too at 330p CT. Really showed his/her true colors there.

Oops its all gone bye bye now. Something about Hillary being the one who lied about the 17 intelligence agencies (sigh). Anyway, the person's screenname is "GoingToAmarillo" ha ha ha. Going going gone!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=342628

mac56

(17,566 posts)
27. Your insightful reply assures me that you'll be a valuable long-term member of DU.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:15 PM
Apr 2017

Please make yourself at home and enjoy your stay for many months.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
53. I don't think our founding fathers anticipated anything like this ever taking place.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:04 PM
Apr 2017

I'm not aware of any provision in the Constitution which would address this type of situation.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
103. It doesn't say anything about a foreign power occupying the White House,
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:54 AM
Apr 2017

except that Congress is authorized to start wars on other countries.




Seriously, "How do we get from where we are today to President Hillary Clinton in the White House?" is a valid question in this predicament.

When will the revelation that the Electoral college was FIXED come out?

kimbutgar

(21,130 posts)
34. What happened to those inaugural funds ?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:23 PM
Apr 2017

Were they paid to the hackers for doing their job. Is ivanka clothing company actually a money laundering operation? No big retailers are carrying her stuff. She says overseas sales are good but a friend of mine who was visiting her family in China told me the state media does not broadcast positive things about chump and her friends wouldn't be caught buying her clothes. They are all so dirty but I want a deluge now exposing them for the criminals they are. Not this drip drip stuff.

ElementaryPenguin

(7,800 posts)
134. Of course not!!!!!!
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 02:47 PM
Apr 2017

Trump GOPers might collude with Russia, but they would NEVER stoop so low as to tamper with our voting machines!!! That would be downright unAmerican!! For those who suggest the Russians (for some reason) could not have hacked the vote - will they make the same assertion that Republicans could not (and would not) have hacked the vote?? (when there's evidence that they did so in Presidential elections of 2000, 2004, and attempted to in 2012).

Which is undoubtedly why the French, the Canadians, and the Dutch all exclusively use paper ballots, (as we did, back when we were still a democracy, previous to 2000.)

Sculpin Beauregard

(1,046 posts)
51. No mercy on GOP. Root them all out. No Pence,
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:54 PM
Apr 2017

Tillerson, Bannon, Ryan, etc. The party needs to pay. This is unprecedented corruption and collusion. It is treason.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
54. We need to collate threads into categories re 2016 election
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:05 PM
Apr 2017

There is so much stuff to juggle.

I hope this does not drag on much longer.

When will someone step up and demand that trump is arrested?

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
52. Still a lot of speculation
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:03 PM
Apr 2017

I think if there were direct evidence like that, we would be seeing more than we are at this point. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, I just think speculation is just that- speculation.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
60. That Trump actually paid the hackers?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:11 PM
Apr 2017

Unless there is direct evidence of this, it is little more than speculation. 17 Agencies agreed the Russians were behind the hacking, but I will wait to see if they have enough evidence to tie Trump himself to that. What we strongly suspect and what we can prove are two different things.

progressoid

(49,978 posts)
67. Agreed. This is a dossier citing anonymous sources.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:55 PM
Apr 2017

We're going to need something a lot more concrete than anonymous sources.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
55. Why in the hell has CNN and MSNBC not picked up on this yet?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:06 PM
Apr 2017

I don't think these idiots think it's true. It's too big. I really hate cowards.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
63. A Russian hacker is suing Steele for defamation.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:31 PM
Apr 2017

Since the memo became public in January, Steele had not spoken about his role in compiling it but he and his company, Orbis Business Intelligence Limited, have filed a defence in the high court of justice in London, in a defamation case brought by Aleksej Gubarev, a Russian venture capitalist and owner of a global computer technology company, XBT, and a Dallas-based subsidiary Webzilla.



Gubarev, who was named along with his company in the December memo as being involved in hacking operation, has denied any such involvement and is also suing Buzzfeed in the US courts for publishing the December memo alongside Steele’s earlier reports on election hacking.

A statement by Steele’s defence lawyers, endorsed by the former MI6 agent, said Orbis was hired between June and November last year by Fusion GPS, a Washington-based research consultancy to look into Trump’s links with Russia.

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
61. My intuition's best guess
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:24 PM
Apr 2017

is that the evidence is already known about but being corroborated, AND

no one knows what to do or how this will play out, even the IC, AND

there are political repercussions, domestic and international, that must be
assessed, gauged, managed, and timed to minimize problems, AND

I have a hard time believing that this will not expose how deeply awash
in campaign cash contributions our government is from more than one
global source, and perhaps even how our system supports democracy
around the world. It's worthy of a Robert Ludlum novel.

Few study the period, but immediately post WWII, the U.S. wanted
democratic elections in eastern European countries that Stalin's Soviet
Union had liberated. We wanted our corporations to bring free enterprise,
private banking, development, and a profit incentive system, the Soviets
of course wanted social ownership of industries - communism. We are having
similar issues over how things will be run today, maybe not with Russia so
much as with laissez-faire vs. government regulation of for profit companies.

BumRushDaShow

(128,852 posts)
70. This
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:05 PM
Apr 2017

There needs to be almost a loose shadow government created behind the scenes comprised of those not implicated, in order to "step in" to keep this juggernaut country functional and moving without causing major panic and jitters on the market.

Sculpin Beauregard

(1,046 posts)
65. The Feinstein pic is from a few weeks back, and just shows her reaction after the briefing.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:47 PM
Apr 2017

The Guardian link is some of what may have been in the briefing, based on the Steele Dossier, and UK intelligence agencies are confirming the info in the dossier.

Trump collusion with Russia, confirmed.

cilla4progress

(24,726 posts)
112. It was pretty obvious after that briefing
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:35 AM
Apr 2017

and Maxine Waters' response also when she received disclosures that something grievous has occurred.

What many here are saying makes sense to me: the concern about destablilizing the US and even internationally is responsible for the slow and gradual pace. Hell, it could lead to armed conflict here if trump is appeared to be run out of office only by dems. Maybe gorsuch was part of the deal?

Also, Chaffetz's sudden need for emergency surgery on a 12 year old injury...

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
113. Trump involving the oversight chairs in the transistion compromised Congressional investigations.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:46 AM
Apr 2017

Very clever coup over congressional ability to respond to the situation. One has to wonder how criminally compromised they are, even if unwittingly.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
64. I told you so right away. How did i know? They're Republicans!
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:43 PM
Apr 2017

I get the feeling I'll get to say "I told you so" quite a lot.



kentuck

(111,079 posts)
66. If this is true...?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:48 PM
Apr 2017

...then the Congress must be trying to figure out how to handle it? This is not an ever-day event.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
69. If this is accurate, does this mean the previous administration knew about it at a time
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:00 PM
Apr 2017

when they still had the a chance to do something about it, and remained silent?

BumRushDaShow

(128,852 posts)
73. They probably had bits and pieces
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:25 PM
Apr 2017

and were trying to connect a lot of dots... but that dossier came literally weeks before the inauguration and note that folks are STILL going through that trying to corroborate it. Remember that the current administration was briefed on some of it by Yates.

Justice Department warned White House that Flynn could be vulnerable to Russian blackmail, officials say

By Adam Entous, Ellen Nakashima and Philip Rucker February 13

<...>

The acting attorney general informed the Trump White House late last month that she believed Michael Flynn had misled senior administration officials about the nature of his communications with the Russian ambassador to the United States, and warned that the national security adviser was potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail, current and former U.S. officials said.

<...>

For Yates and other officials, concerns about the communications peaked in the days after the Obama administration on Dec. 29 announced measures to punish Russia for what it said was the Kremlin’s interference in the election in an attempt to help Trump.

After the sanctions were rolled out, the Obama administration braced itself for the Russian retaliation. To the surprise of many U.S. officials, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced on Dec. 30 that there would be no response. Trump praised the decision on Twitter.

Intelligence analysts began to search for clues that could help explain Putin’s move. The search turned up Kislyak’s communications, which the FBI routinely monitors, and the phone call in question with Flynn, a retired Army lieutenant general with years of intelligence experience. From that call and subsequent intercepts, FBI agents wrote a secret report summarizing ­Flynn’s discussions with Kislyak.

<...>

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-warned-white-house-that-flynn-could-be-vulnerable-to-russian-blackmail-officials-say/2017/02/13/fc5dab88-f228-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
74. Just wait til Sally Yates testifies before the Senate Crime/Terrorism subcommittee on May 8th
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:26 PM
Apr 2017

She's going to lower the boom on Mike Flynn. Flynn is the linchpin in the Trump Russia collusion investigation. Shed evidentiary light on his shenanigans, and one by one the Trump gang will crumble. Carter Page will be next in line. Epshteyn, Manafort and Roger Stone go down together. That's when it's going to get interesting. They'll all stab each other in the back and spill more and more of their criminal behavior. We may see the tentacles reach to Congress, to Mitch McConnell, to Paul Ryan, to Devin Nunes, to Jason Chaffetz, to Richard Burr. Temperatures getting higher. No embedded Congresscritter is going to let Trump get away with bringing them down, so they'll point their pointy little fingers at Mr. Trump, Mr. Bannon, Mr. Sessions, and Mr. Kushner. It will be a freaking free-for-all, and our country will SUFFER terribly as a result of it.

I want to believe that justice is blind and truly will prevail. I have also been deemed to be an optimist.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
77. She's actually got a second testimony before the House intelligence committee, not yet scheduled
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:38 PM
Apr 2017

Brave woman. Very brave woman. I hope that she is under 24 hour protection.

Here's what's crazy: the last time the House had her scheduled to testify, Devin Nunes went berzerk with his surreal press conferences at the White House. He also called off that first Sally Yates hearing.

Now that the Jason Chaffetz-led committee investigating Russia Gate has formally demanded that Sally Yates testify in front of it, Jason Chaffetz announces that he won't be running for re-election AND that he'll be taking a few weeks off, starting NOW, due to a recurring foot injury. Right.

What Sally Yates is about to drop is going to start the dominoes falling. Mark my words.

cilla4progress

(24,726 posts)
115. I think you are entirely right here Mr.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:58 AM
Apr 2017

So very suspicious, Nunes and Chaffetz, especially.

Good thing we don't have mysterious assassinations here like they do in Russia.

Stay safe, Ms. Yates.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
78. The pic is older, i was gonna use it along with everything else here for somewhere else
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:40 PM
Apr 2017

but if I use the pic then that is all we will talk about, how the pic is a few weeks old.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
79. Shit! I had just opened this page and there's Howard Dean on MSNBC, bringing it up!
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:44 PM
Apr 2017

Son of a gun!

He said while we can't be sure yet, the Guardian has a very reputable track record, "but if this is true, then trump's presidency is over." Maybe not over in that he's ousted but over in the sense that he's finished with the international community and won't have a smooth time domestically. He said trump is WAY in over his head, and that he (Howard Dean) is surprised that trump has lasted this long. Thought he'd be gone after the first two or three primaries. Dean also said "the water gets hotter an hotter for this guy."

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
80. Just to clarify, is this what Louise Mensch et al. have been reporting for the past several weeks?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:45 PM
Apr 2017

Is this simply mainstream press verification/authentication of what she's told us she'd uncovered?

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
91. It is, pretty much.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 02:07 AM
Apr 2017

She also has a post on this today.

One thing that's becoming more obvious is that Trump was never really trying to run any of his businesses that failed. They were all just ways to launder money, particularly for the Russians.

My money is on Trump claiming he has been diagnosed with dementia. I hope the New York AG keeps on him for the RICO and other violations he's investigating, so that no potential future president can pardon Trump for those crimes.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
109. The Steele Dossier II has been secret until this court filing got out, it seems.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:19 AM
Apr 2017

A copy was passed to John McCain, who gave a copy to Comey. It was in Republican hands until this leak, albeit Louise Mensch and others seem to have sources in Her Majesty's government and had either some particulars or the broad implications. The court filing is from early in the month.

As to when this info or how much of it passed to the Gang of Eight, I don't know. FBI could have had good reasons to keep a lid on it so as to not compromise their investigation.


Sculpin Beauregard

(1,046 posts)
87. The whole admin needs to go. NO PENCE FOR PRESIDENT. ILLEGITIMATE ELECTION.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:33 PM
Apr 2017

This presidency should go to CLINTON. It was STOLEN. NO GOP GOVT.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
108. I've been thinking that for a long time.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:17 AM
Apr 2017

If Trump is thrown out...everyone has been fearing Pence. But that's wrong! Russia got the GOP in office ....so no way should another GOP member get the Presidency! it should to a DEM/Clinton ...not Pence!

Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
93. So glad you've found this info.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 02:47 AM
Apr 2017

I hope Grassley was miserable, standing with Diane Feinstein.

People like him have been creating this environment in Congress all this time.

This is far more than it would take to have sent any Democrat away for life!

Thank you for the super good news.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
97. If this is true, Trump is done...
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 08:19 AM
Apr 2017

he will be able to go back to his 'old' life assuming he does wear an orange jumpsuit and occupy a prison cell.

Kablooie

(18,626 posts)
99. But it's Trump so nothing will be done. NOTHING!!!
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:39 AM
Apr 2017

This will be ignored.

Take a look at the news headlines. Where do you see this mentioned?

While Republicans are in power this will not be news.

 

frankieallen

(583 posts)
119. Get a grip people.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 02:20 PM
Apr 2017

An alleged memo
Un-named sources
The possibility that it was confirmed

I swear this stuff is put out by republicans for their own amusement.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
135. so what's the hold up?? Isn't odd that the peripheral players are mostly gone? Like they are
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:47 AM
May 2017

distancing the ones who actually orchestrated the whole thing. And, there were discussions in TT - but Trump is resting easy on that - he accused everyone of tapping - only to have everyone fall for it and say TT was not.

sellitman

(11,606 posts)
138. Says who?
Tue May 2, 2017, 05:16 AM
May 2017

An old retired British spy? Really?

That was the reply of a friend of mine. They could have a signed confession and Cheeto Face would be innocent.

Amazing.

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