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mopinko

(69,965 posts)
Mon May 1, 2017, 06:11 PM May 2017

just how crazy does he have to act before this nightmare ends?

does he have to start lighting fires in the white house before people get their heads out of their asses?

no, dems do not have the votes to impeach him.
but many dems have the secrets, and they are keeping them secret.

there comes a time to tell the truth, come hell or high water.
and the water is getting pretty deep here.

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just how crazy does he have to act before this nightmare ends? (Original Post) mopinko May 2017 OP
It won't end till he stops being useful to republicans and their donors. enough May 2017 #1
that doesnt explain why dems are not acting strongly. mopinko May 2017 #3
Not hung, but bullied hard enough that their political careers would be over. enough May 2017 #17
the founding fathers were facing prison or hanging. mopinko May 2017 #20
Just remind yourself: Federal Grand Jury. Eyeball_Kid May 2017 #53
redumbliCONs are afraid to challenge drumpf for fear of a Twitter tirade democratisphere May 2017 #2
I think they are more afraid of his supporters (their base) abandoning them. LonePirate May 2017 #51
he is totally coming unhinged...just watched video of him with cbs reporter spanone May 2017 #4
that's what got me going. mopinko May 2017 #5
he's losing it. spanone May 2017 #6
i guess he has to shit his pants on live teevee mopinko May 2017 #7
If people are doing that outside the rule of law that we have here in the US Ninsianna May 2017 #41
Loved this gif in the comment section... smirkymonkey May 2017 #12
bwahahahaaaa. mopinko May 2017 #15
That gif is probably closer to reality than it might seem. Judi Lynn May 2017 #33
Really really weird behavior, defending and digging in on his delusion behavior, red flag RKP5637 May 2017 #26
He has to be depressed. Hopefully we don't see the first suicide in the Lint Head May 2017 #8
When he shoots someone on 5th Avenue malaise May 2017 #9
His fans would take pictures and post them on Facebook, how brave and strong a man. RKP5637 May 2017 #28
Why would " lighting fires in the white house" be a problem? rock May 2017 #10
ok, how about listing the resolute desk on ebay? mopinko May 2017 #11
Oh noes! rock May 2017 #13
FFS, he's likely to put the entire US on eBay! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #29
everything except for what jarvanka mopinko May 2017 #31
Yep!!! RKP5637 May 2017 #32
Or having it repainted with gaudy gold detailing in his preferred "dictator chic" PA Democrat May 2017 #43
yeah, i hope we get him out before the interior designer is done. mopinko May 2017 #61
I Wonder About That Too colsohlibgal May 2017 #14
yeah, i want the russia thing to be what takes me down. so many complicit. mopinko May 2017 #19
Yeah, so don't rush it or most of the criminals will get away with it! Don't reward them by Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #24
i know, i know. mopinko May 2017 #27
I'm fine with the idea of talking up tRump's mental deficits and deterioration. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #35
His crazy fans believe all his crazy lies. Hey they thought Obama was sick and bad as he lunasun May 2017 #16
the can tell the truth. the secrets. mopinko May 2017 #18
We are stuck. The rethugs need their autopen. kairos12 May 2017 #21
I'm looking forward to the public hearings to start. Equinox Moon May 2017 #22
Two BIG problems with your idea Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #23
i cant argue too much, but mopinko May 2017 #25
The entire GOP allowed a partnership with Russia during the campaign. Eyeball_Kid May 2017 #54
Yes. Nothing I wrote discounts the Russian collaboration. Sorry I was not explicit. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #57
and watching the rachel right now about the appointees and lack thereof. mopinko May 2017 #30
He is destroying the Republican Party, and they seem to be enjoying it. L. Coyote May 2017 #34
let's hope so. mopinko May 2017 #36
Running naked across the White House lawn should do the trick. sarcasmo May 2017 #37
considering the body we are talking about, yeah. mopinko May 2017 #48
Milo showed us the GOP's only limit RainCaster May 2017 #38
He'd be out tomorrow if he pissed off white supremacists ecstatic May 2017 #39
I wonder the very same thing each and every day... Rhiannon12866 May 2017 #40
Run down the street naked. Demtexan May 2017 #42
he is naked already jesskirablue42 May 2017 #44
Why keep them secret? libtodeath May 2017 #45
somebody needs to fall on their sword. and i doubt they would go to prison mopinko May 2017 #50
Dems don't have the votes but Repubs do... kentuck May 2017 #46
i discussed it. it's not about votes or impeachment. mopinko May 2017 #47
He's the manifestation of an alternative reality... VOX May 2017 #49
Here we go exboyfil May 2017 #52
He already said the Constitution of the United States was an impediment workinclasszero May 2017 #55
When he threatens to dissolve Congress? meow2u3 May 2017 #56
A tiny part of me keeps wanting to think Trump will announce "Just kidding, folks!" Blue_Tires May 2017 #58
I agree. Someone needs to put the truth out there Horse with no Name May 2017 #59
Crazy enough to get Dems control of the House in 2018. maxsolomon May 2017 #60

enough

(13,253 posts)
1. It won't end till he stops being useful to republicans and their donors.
Mon May 1, 2017, 06:18 PM
May 2017

That day is not coming soon.

mopinko

(69,965 posts)
3. that doesnt explain why dems are not acting strongly.
Mon May 1, 2017, 06:36 PM
May 2017

they know. and they are honoring their pledges to keep the secrets. but at some point some patriot could spill what they know, and the end would be near.
if they all spilled together, how could they be hung?

enough

(13,253 posts)
17. Not hung, but bullied hard enough that their political careers would be over.
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:41 PM
May 2017

With the very real threat of prison for revealing classified information.

mopinko

(69,965 posts)
20. the founding fathers were facing prison or hanging.
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:47 PM
May 2017

i suspect at this point the person who spills becomes the 2020 front runner, but it is true it will be very, very, very ugly.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
53. Just remind yourself: Federal Grand Jury.
Tue May 2, 2017, 10:28 AM
May 2017

There are TWO Grand Juries convening right now, according to Claude Taylor, who has a source inside the IC. One Grand Jury is nearly finished with its work. There WILL be indictments. Lots of them.

Taylor also has a scoop on Sean Spicer that's likely breaking this morning. Watch his twitter feed.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
2. redumbliCONs are afraid to challenge drumpf for fear of a Twitter tirade
Mon May 1, 2017, 06:33 PM
May 2017

reprisal. drumpf's mission is to totally destroy anything good the Obama's did during their 2 terms; drumpf would attempt to destroy anyone who personally attacked his mental stability or mental health.

LonePirate

(13,402 posts)
51. I think they are more afraid of his supporters (their base) abandoning them.
Tue May 2, 2017, 09:10 AM
May 2017

The base is only loyal to their ignorant, racist president. If the Republicans turn on 45, the base will turn on them.

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
41. If people are doing that outside the rule of law that we have here in the US
Tue May 2, 2017, 04:45 AM
May 2017

that would be the coup.

I share your disquiet, and the desperate need for someone to do something already! But the case is building up, perhaps if more people had showed up and voted up and down the ballot as they'd been begged to do, we might have a prayer of doing something NOW, but that's not what happened.

His own tantrums are damning him, and the evidence is building up, it's only a matter of time, they're already having their effects in the courts.

Deep breaths and patience, we will get there soon.

Judi Lynn

(160,408 posts)
33. That gif is probably closer to reality than it might seem.
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:33 PM
May 2017

I involuntarily shuddered right after watching it. I think it looks all too possible!

Thanks for sharing it.

RKP5637

(67,078 posts)
26. Really really weird behavior, defending and digging in on his delusion behavior, red flag
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:23 PM
May 2017

being, of course, he has no clue it's delusional.

RKP5637

(67,078 posts)
28. His fans would take pictures and post them on Facebook, how brave and strong a man.
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:27 PM
May 2017

He's a loose cannon walking around with the signs of stress building all the time complicated by the fact he has no F'en idea what he's doing.

rock

(13,218 posts)
10. Why would " lighting fires in the white house" be a problem?
Mon May 1, 2017, 06:40 PM
May 2017

They have fire extinguishers, don't they?

mopinko

(69,965 posts)
61. yeah, i hope we get him out before the interior designer is done.
Tue May 2, 2017, 01:47 PM
May 2017

i cant imagine what they are going to do to our house. on our dime.

maybe golden toilets will be what it takes, but who knows.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
14. I Wonder About That Too
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:52 PM
May 2017

What does his creep have to do to get kicked out of Office....I think about that daily.

Hopefully when it happens Pence goes with him.

mopinko

(69,965 posts)
19. yeah, i want the russia thing to be what takes me down. so many complicit.
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:43 PM
May 2017

i suspect when the kitchen gets too hot they will hang him out on an article 25, so that they dont have to see it all spill into the public record.
hopefully it will come out anyway, but i really want a nuremberg impeachment. i want at least a dozen fuckers in that box. at least.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,924 posts)
24. Yeah, so don't rush it or most of the criminals will get away with it! Don't reward them by
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:13 PM
May 2017

Don't reward the Republicon criminals for their theft of the election by rushing the rollout of evidence and prosecution.

mopinko

(69,965 posts)
27. i know, i know.
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:25 PM
May 2017

but still. not necessarily talking about the legal process.

nobody on the teevee machine is even really taking this on. nobody at the newspapers. they just keep trying to pretend the guy is ferrealz.
i want to turn on the news some day soon, and have everyone talking about whether he has well and truly gone around the bend.
i want to see side by side clips of a younger cheeto and that interview, and some of the other crazy, and people openly asking if he is sane or has alzheimers.
i want a public outcry so loud that the guy has to go over to walter reed for an mri of his head to see if there is anything there but bats and moths.

i just dont get how nobody is talking about the elephant in the room.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
16. His crazy fans believe all his crazy lies. Hey they thought Obama was sick and bad as he
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:31 PM
May 2017

stated even preTrump
and they believe all the surveillance crap.
Soulless greedy GOP will keep him around to grab more and more for themselves and thier big donors and they will do anything to make sure that doesn't end IMO
I really don't know what dems can do with no power in DC

mopinko

(69,965 posts)
18. the can tell the truth. the secrets.
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:41 PM
May 2017

i am getting sick of knowing that so many know what happened in nov, and are just sitting around waiting for the thugs to tell it.

someone needs to spill.
#spilldems

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,924 posts)
23. Two BIG problems with your idea
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:10 PM
May 2017

1) You only get one chance to take down the President. If you fire off an impeachment trial before you have a cast iron case, including evidence from law enforcement and the intelligence community, then you won't get another chance.

It would only make him stronger.

Yes, I share the frustration. But I want it done right and all the way through.



2) Knocking tRump off the perch will have very limited effectiveness and might make things worse because Pence knows how the levers of political power work in Washington.

The elephant in the room is that not only did tRump have a role, but [font size = "+1"]the whole Republicon Party is complicit in stealing the Electoral College.[/font]

Once the case is proven, the Presidency must be given to the majority vote winner Hillary Clinton. The alternative is to hold a secure Presidential Election in 2018 and reset the four year cycle. To accomplish either solution, Constitutional scholars and judiciary scholars must find a legal and tenable path for that, which means they better be working on it now.

The Republicon Party that stole the election must not be rewarded by getting to elevate Pence or any appointed successors.

mopinko

(69,965 posts)
25. i cant argue too much, but
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:19 PM
May 2017

i reiterate- there are dems who know what happened. who have seen concrete evidence. they know they dont have the votes.
but what happens if it all comes out in the press?

maybe we dont actually take these complicit fuckers out of office, but they sure as hell would be tied in knots, and totally powerless.
(in the real world, anyway.)

#spilldems

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
54. The entire GOP allowed a partnership with Russia during the campaign.
Tue May 2, 2017, 10:37 AM
May 2017

They all knew that Russia was involved in the hacking and the "fake news" projects. They did nothing. The GOP leadership is complicit in Putin's interference with the election and they're HAPPY with the results.

You're post certainly has its merits, but you're missing the boat if you're discounting foreign interference with the election, made possible, in large part, by the Citizens United case, which allows "dark money" to flow into the election process from foreign sources. Russia leaped on THAT bandwagon.

mopinko

(69,965 posts)
30. and watching the rachel right now about the appointees and lack thereof.
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:29 PM
May 2017

failure to actually form a government anyone?

RainCaster

(10,790 posts)
38. Milo showed us the GOP's only limit
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:18 PM
May 2017

As for me, I'm tired of all this winning. Civil War, Duterte, Kim Jung Un, all this shit in ONE day.

ecstatic

(32,638 posts)
39. He'd be out tomorrow if he pissed off white supremacists
Tue May 2, 2017, 12:56 AM
May 2017

If he took an action that was contrary to everything racists stand for, he'd be out. For example, opening the border, reparations, or blanket amnesty for undocumented immigrants.

mopinko

(69,965 posts)
50. somebody needs to fall on their sword. and i doubt they would go to prison
Tue May 2, 2017, 09:03 AM
May 2017

once the truth is known.

mopinko

(69,965 posts)
47. i discussed it. it's not about votes or impeachment.
Tue May 2, 2017, 09:01 AM
May 2017

its about the people who know the truth telling the truth. about the truth being let out of the secrets box.

that he is insane, AND that he is a traitor. start saying that out loud. dems dont have the votes, but many know the truth.

and like i said, march his ass over to walter reed and make him have an mri of his head. it'd be one thing if his kids were there to keep a handle on him. it's another for them to be stuffing their pockets.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
49. He's the manifestation of an alternative reality...
Tue May 2, 2017, 09:03 AM
May 2017

Whether he does it cynically or is delusional, "The #45 Show" is in full swing. If you have the slightest bit of a functional, analytical, critical mind, you see through the whole act and can sense the major bullshit.

But his supporters lack that capacity, and they see a savior of a magnitude somewhere between country music star and televangelist. It's a total grift, but #45 just happens to be stuck in Delusion City: He's the greatest, most incredible, most successful, savviest, clairvoyant president to ever walk the planet. No wall? They don't care! The fact he cloaked himself in a reactionary, anti-globalist persona is all they care about. They have afforded him cult-leader status. He can do no wrong. I'd be very surprised if any Republicans turn against #45; at least not for another 2 years.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
55. He already said the Constitution of the United States was an impediment
Tue May 2, 2017, 10:42 AM
May 2017

to his rule by fiat and should be disposed of.

Did you hear any outrage from the right/republicans about this total violation of Fuhrer Trump's oath of office?

Of course not!

The republican theocracy will back the total destruction of freedom in this country to the hilt as long as the dictator is their guy!

meow2u3

(24,757 posts)
56. When he threatens to dissolve Congress?
Tue May 2, 2017, 11:24 AM
May 2017

I'm convinced that Congress will act when their jobs are in jeopardy.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
58. A tiny part of me keeps wanting to think Trump will announce "Just kidding, folks!"
Tue May 2, 2017, 12:58 PM
May 2017

"I just wanted to prove a point -- I'll now resign effective immediately!"

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
59. I agree. Someone needs to put the truth out there
Tue May 2, 2017, 01:03 PM
May 2017

but I am certain they are terrified of the consequences of that.

maxsolomon

(33,220 posts)
60. Crazy enough to get Dems control of the House in 2018.
Tue May 2, 2017, 01:27 PM
May 2017

Then, crazy enough for 2/3 of the Senate to convict him after Impeachment (he's already Impeachable IMHO). But conviction will involve Republikkks choosing country over party.

THAT is how crazy.

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