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niyad

(112,434 posts)
Tue May 2, 2017, 02:09 PM May 2017

Trump Fondly Remembers the Fake Civil War Battle That Took Place on His Golf Course

Trump Fondly Remembers the Fake Civil War Battle That Took Place on His Golf Course

What do you mean you've never heard of the "River of Blood"?




resident Trump's American history credentials have rarely been questioned, except by anyone who knows even a modicum of history. So it was surprising on Monday when the resident flubbed his take on the Civil War: the whole thing could have been avoided; President Andrew Jackson was upset by the war even though he died 16 years before it began; and why didn't anyone stop it, anyway? The incident prompted The New York Times to re-examine the president's past issues with history, including when he thought Frederick Douglass was still alive, and the time he bought a "fixer-upper" golf course that was once home to a Civil War battle site. Sort of. The Times article links to the paper's 2015 report on the incident, which recounted how Trump bought the course in Virginia—now renamed the Trump National Golf Club—back in 2009, and got to work getting it up to The Trump Standard. That included building a flagpole along the river complete with a plaque commemorating the "River of Blood," a dramatic name for a harrowing event that never happened. But the plaque begged to differ:
"Many great American soldiers, both of the North and South, died at this spot," the inscription reads. "The casualties were so great that the water would turn red and thus became known as 'The River of Blood.'"

This actually sounds like it was dictated by Trump, who in a phone interview with the Times called himself "a big history fan." Reporters from the paper told him they'd spoken with multiple local historians, all of whom said there was no Civil War battle within 11 miles of the plaque. The exchange that followed was quintessentially Trumpian:
"That was a prime site for river crossings," Mr. Trump said. "So, if people are crossing the river, and you happen to be in a civil war, I would say that people were shot — a lot of them."
People crossed there, so surely, if there was a war, people were shot while crossing. It just makes sense. But he continued:
"How would they know that?" Mr. Trump asked when told that local historians had called his plaque a fiction. "Were they there?" How else could they know? It's not like there are writings and contemporary accounts from the time, and anyway, who would read them?

Mr. Trump repeatedly said that "numerous historians" had told him that the golf club site was known as the River of Blood. But he said he did not remember their names. Then he said the historians had spoken not to him but to "my people." But he refused to identify any underlings who might still possess the historians' names. "Write your story the way you want to write it," Mr. Trump said finally, when pressed unsuccessfully for anything that could corroborate his claim. "You don't have to talk to anybody. It doesn't make any difference. But many people were shot. It makes sense."

"Write your story the way you want to write it" is eerily similar to Trump's exchange with John Dickerson on Sunday, when the Face the Nation host pressed Trump on his earlier claim that President Obama wiretapped him at Trump Tower. Trump essentially told Dickerson they could each have their own opinions with regard to objective fact. It's not just that Trump is deflecting; he seems to genuinely believe that all versions of past events are inherently equal, and the one that wins out is simply the one that's sold the best—and which the most people subsequently believe. Gathering evidence, assembling the facts, acknowledging that there is a set of circumstances that make up reality past and present: These are not part of the equation.

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http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a54842/trump-civil-war-river-of-blood/

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Trump Fondly Remembers the Fake Civil War Battle That Took Place on His Golf Course (Original Post) niyad May 2017 OP
He's such a liar. BSdetect May 2017 #1
So his confabulations go back at least to 2009. Ilsa May 2017 #2
What kind of tax break did he get for putting up a (less-than) historical sign? FSogol May 2017 #3
I do not know, but after yesterday, pretty sure somebody will find out. niyad May 2017 #4
It's not simply a sign, it's practically a national monument... countryjake May 2017 #11
It was the Bowling Green River of Blood. Everyone knows that one. yellowcanine May 2017 #5
of course, how remiss of me not to remember that. niyad May 2017 #6
:-( underpants May 2017 #7
He's clearly confused this SchrodingersCatbox May 2017 #8
"My golf club is the best place for warring armies to fight! The best!" Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #9
LOL n/t FSogol May 2017 #12
His grasp of history is fuzzy, so he marybourg May 2017 #10
That time William Tecumseh Sherman got caught in a Sandtrap Warren DeMontague May 2017 #13
. . . niyad May 2017 #14
Trump thinks America's history is as fake as his own biography. TeamPooka May 2017 #15
and he claims to be a student of history. . . is there a grade lower than "f"? niyad May 2017 #16

Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
2. So his confabulations go back at least to 2009.
Tue May 2, 2017, 02:18 PM
May 2017

He's demented. Literally. I guess it is possible it is more related to his narcissism, and he takes notoriety through his relation to an "historical" location that is now his golf course.

8. He's clearly confused this
Tue May 2, 2017, 02:57 PM
May 2017

With the famous Battle of Double Bogey, fought near Augusta Georgia in 1864, between the 114th New York Hacker Brigade and the 105th Georgia Duffer Irregulars

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,083 posts)
9. "My golf club is the best place for warring armies to fight! The best!"
Tue May 2, 2017, 03:04 PM
May 2017

Does he even know how crazy he sounds?

Rhetorical question. Of course he doesn't.

marybourg

(12,540 posts)
10. His grasp of history is fuzzy, so he
Tue May 2, 2017, 03:09 PM
May 2017

assumes history itself is fuzzy. After all he's "like a smart person", so if he doesn't know, nobody knows, therefore he can say anything and demand to be thought correct.

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