Hillary Clinton was just live on CNN and MSNBC.

[JHan]

Showing why she deserved my vote.

Her analysis of the threat of automation, robots and AI on the economy and the importance of investing in green energy... and building on the pieces Obama put in place to prepare us for the future from healthcare to education. We've lost so much

[delisen]

1. Someone who can govern-not the glamour goons

or the Soundbite Artists, or the Rousers

[JHan]

77. that's really all I wanted.

good governance. Fixing what needs to be fixed.

[Me.]

2. Sigh

[ismnotwasm]

3. Yeah

[lunamagica]

4. My president

[iluvtennis]

31. +++ agree

[still_one]

33. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[leftofcool]

45. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[Beacool]

75. Hear, hear!!!!

[BlueMTexpat]

79. + a bajillion!!!!!!

[ehrnst]

82. The legitimate president for us all. (nt)

[niyad]

5. MADAM PRESIDENT

[ehrnst]

6. Kicked and recced. (nt)

[JHan]

8. You can watch the interview for yourself - someone just posted it in the Video Multimedia Forum.

knock yourself out.

[Girl powers]

9. Hillary

Wow! She was outstanding! What a loss to our country. She did say she's a member of the resistance. Be sure to see it.

[calimary]

50. Welcome to DU, Girl powers.

Yep. She's everything we said she was. And IS.

I'm STILL with her.

[LoveMyCali]

65. Me too!

I may actually cry if I watch the interview though.

[calimary]

67. You'll ache. From deep in the heart. The sense of "what might have been" will be excruciating.

I sure felt like that, and I did watch. The Sean Spicer daily tap-dance was supposed to be happening at or about the same time. The spotlight went to Hillary, not Spicey. Which was nice. Preferable, actually, even though it made my heart ache.

[LoveMyCali]

68. She amazes me

The strength she shows just by speaking in public. How anyone could have voted for that orange buffoon over this intelligent, well spoken, thoughtful person is just beyond me. And you are right, it's heart wrenching listening to what we could have had.

Her strength is the first thing that caught my attention but listening to her speak... I'm a life long fan.

[lillypaddle]

10. She was amazing nt

[caballojm]

11. Let's take this moment to remind ourselves that she beat Dolt 45 by 3 million votes.

WTF America?

[calimary]

51. Welcome to DU caballojm.

Yeah, let's NOT forget that. Because every time it's brought up, a troll gets its wings clipped.

[Nonhlanhla]

12. What a tragic loss of opportunity

I get angry all over again at all the idiots who switched to Trump after having previously voted for Obama, or folks who voted third party, or nourished their primaries resentment because their cherished candidate did not get the vote and therefore decided not to vote, or those who just could not bother to show up to vote. I don't get angry at Republican voters, because I assume they are idiots. But the people who should have been able to see what we will be missing out, even if they did not particularly love Hillary, and thereby helped to elect the biggest fool to ever sit in the Oval Office, those people make me really angry. What a sad loss of opportunity for us all.

[BlueMTexpat]

80. I am STILL so

bitter about this that I may never recover. Hillary is and has always been a much bigger person than I.

I am literally excising anyone I know from my life - so-called friends AND family - who did this and who still has NOT regretted their choice. I know that it is I who am being "purist" about this. But these actions were simply unforgivable in the circumstances. This was NOT an election like any other.

I have never suffered fools gladly but until November 2016, I was comparatively more patient and reasonable. Trump's election theft - and it WAS theft - was just the final straw. These people ALL aided and abetted that crime. I don't have all that many years left and I refuse to allow ANY such deplorables to remain in my life. Fortunately, I am retired and generally live abroad, so I can do this a LOT more easily than most can.

There are a LOT of people who know me who previously would have been welcome to visit regardless of political differences. Many such did visit and thoroughly enjoyed their glimpse of what quality of life actually means. But among those, there are STILL some who voted for Trump or didn't vote at all or voted for a third party. If they are still trying to excuse that behavior in any way, shape or form, they are dead to me.

Such people are no longer welcome chez moi. Period. If any turn up on my doorstep, as has occasionally happened, they will not be welcomed. There is no longer ANY room at this inn.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. That is so far above tRump's head that he doesn't even hear the Whoosh. . . . nt

[JHan]

29. Sadly I don't think he even knows what AI is.

His ignorance is at danger levels.

[iluvtennis]

32. AI...no way he knows what it is...and the real disgusting thing, he doesn't care to learn.GAH

[okieinpain]

14. lmao, i'm still mad at her for her campaign but i would vote

for her today and i one thousand percent agree with you that we have lost so much that i think it almost can't be fixed..

[JHan]

30. and..

as a supporter of hers there were times when her campaign did frustrate the hell out of me as well, even though I get that campaigns are never perfect. She would have needed congressional support to do what she wanted, as Obama did. We're dealing with Republicans who put their ideology ahead of reason. The only option is to vote the GOP out.

[okieinpain]

64. thank you for admitting her campaign was frustrating. n/t.

[JHan]

66. well I've found many political campaigns frustrating at times.

I would not have gone "high" against Trump.

On the one hand it would have been easier to mimic his style - the populism (which I detest) but that approach would have been insincere and dishonest. If she said she could bring all the jobs back, she would have been lying to the electorate. If she said that renegotiating a trade deal would bring jobs back and end outsourcing that would have been another lie. What I appreciated about Hillary is that she didn't lie to me or give me promises she couldn't deliver - she respected me that much as a voter.

[brer cat]

72. +1

She didn't lie or try to sell pie in the sky. I admire her for it.

[NRaleighLiberal]

15. The CNN headline has "Hillary blames herself...(and Russia, Comey, etc)" - that disappoints me.

Hillary did NOTHING WRONG. She won the popular vote. She won the election, in truth (it was stolen).

Hillary can hold her head high - and I hope she works with others to bring the perps to the justice (aka punishment) that they so richly deserve.

[llmart]

23. CNN can go f*** themselves...

One reason I refuse to have cable.

[jrthin]

62. I have cable but refuse to watch the garbage that is CNN.nt

[KPN]

16. Yes, she was great. A refreshing change from what we got instead.

She actually looked great as well. It was a good watch for sure.

[UT_democrat]

17. however

Did she mention Andrew Jackson and the alt-fact civil war?

[JHan]

27. lol

[leftofcool]

48. She could have at least mentioned the Bowling Green Massacre

[calimary]

52. Welcome to DU, UT_democrat!

She even went back and asserted that her inaugural crowd was even more bigly than President Obama's!

[elmac]

18. Madam President

She is my only president, not the orange dink that is presently in the orange house.

[Ilsa]

19. She was fantastic. I think she should wait to publish

her book. I think there is a huge Part II coming from the IC when politicians and their henchmen start getting prosecuted for some form of treason.

[fleabiscuit]

22. As far as I know, the Amish are the last holdouts using horse and buggy. nt

[JHan]

26. if Democrats don't get a hold on the truth of it,

there will be countless other Donald Trumps whipping up divisiveness over job losses.

[fleabiscuit]

35. Could be, at least HRC and Dems in general acknowledge automation and robots.

If a persons job is repetitive, dangerous, or just plain icky there will eventually be a robot doing it. Republicans are selfish and self-serving takers and thieves. Workers are nothing more than a crop to them.

[JHan]

38. Obama addressed it in his farewell speech too.

It's looking more and more as though we're gonna have to get comfortable with the idea of a UBI. And that fight is going to be a battle, so we have to craft better memes to make the point. Idiotic republican jargon has held far too strong a way in political discourse. Tide needs to turn.

[fleabiscuit]

39. UBI is an interesting idea and could be a transition solution to something else.

We might need poets and artists, creative individuals in general to help describe a solution past that.

Perhaps we should talk about how to put the largest corporations right to exist up for vote at every presidential election as well. That might shake some chains.

[JHan]

53. Thing is..

We'll need open markets to create the wealth to make it all a possibility. Personally I want to transform the current economy into one based on steady state economic principles. This won't happen overnight, we will have to get past our addiction to fossil fuels (and its by products) and weaken the hegemony of the carbon kings of industry - as much as I want to see a far more hawkish approach to fossil fuel extraction, there are externalities that need to be factored in to ensure as smooth a transition as possible. Technology will be the key to solving these problems, it's quite possible even geo thermal engineering can "fix" some of the harm we've visited on the planet. All of this is possible with governments that appreciate global cooperation and are on the same wave length. It's amazing that China might jump ahead of us on this which is why we needed a democratic administration to remain in office at this critical point.

[JHan]

61. And just to add, I like your idea about poets and artists.

The future doesn't have to be dystopian. It's rare to read a book with a positive outlook of the promise ahead, the negativity can become a self-fulfilling prophecy of doom.

More focus on the things that can make life much better, on the problem solvers looking at how future economies will function, what future jobs will look like. We need more optimism.

[chade]

73. Same goes for you, JHan

Your post above this one made me happy to read. It's discouraging to hear all of the negative stuff out there about technology, so your positive posts in this thread are refreshing! In spite of all of the bad stuff going on, I feel like in medicine and energy especially that we're right on the edge of figuring some really cool stuff out. Thanks for the great outlook and posts!

[JHan]

76. I really feel optimistic

and thanks I'm happy there's a kindred spirit on here who feels the same.

I mean I'm young, it's not exactly great to be told that the future will be fucked up no matter what I do.

Which is why we need to fight the RWing fever springing up globally.

[JHan]

24. If you disagree with an assessment that's pretty much a given at this point..

Just explain why.

And it sounds like you didn't even watch it. The OP is my take away unless you think I am being "condescending" by pointing out what resonated for me personally.

[hrmjustin]

47. More Clinton bashing I see.

[stonecutter357]

54. Is It Envy , Jealousy?

[JHan]

59. and he started off with a passive aggressive sneer at her attending Yale.

I think he should have just gone for broke and went all "liberal elite" gung-ho on us.

[fleabiscuit]

21. I continue to cycle through #1-4, but will never reach #5 Acceptance. FK that. nt

[ffr]

25. Always gives me a pit in my stomach to see everything that was thrown at her

just to get more than 79,000 people to change their minds. Those people blew it big time for all of us. This country will not recover fully from this coup.

Makes me sad and angry.

[Cattledog]

28. She needs to keep a high profile!

[Starry Messenger]

34. I try to mitigate my political heartaches, but I'll probably never get over her loss.

[BlueMTexpat]

81. This!

[DeminPennswoods]

36. If she were president...

we all know with the Rs controlling the House and Senate, her legislative goals would be non-starters. The Rs would obstruct everything just like they did with Obama. The media would still be beating the email thing to death and beyond. Chaffetz wouldn't be retiring from Congress, but gearing up to investigate everything even to where Hillary buys her cosmetics.

It's not always easy to believe that things happen for a reason, but her losing is exposing everything that's nasty, corrupt and greedy about the Republican party. In the long run it will benefit Democrats.

[fleabiscuit]

41. You can't be sure of that. All the Comey and Russian information would still exist. And come out.

We'd be talking about how long sentences should be and further sanctions on Putin.

[bettyellen]

49. We'd have likely had the senate too, but yeah the obstruction would be relentless...

Toward any Dem president. I do think she was the one who could somehow get blood out of those stones though, and I us forward a bit. And the Supreme Court. Damn it's sad.

[ehrnst]

83. I anyone running against DT was president, then this would be the case - but she had the chops

to deal with them more effectively than anyone.

[Warpy]

37. She deserved all our votes and she got them.

She ran a good, clean campaign in the face of overwhelming opposition from a hostile foreign government and corrupt corporate broadcast media that undermined her at every turn while promoting her opponent.

It's a miracle she won the popular vote but she did.

[Still In Wisconsin]

40. She ran a crappy campaign, but would have been a GREAT President. n/t

[Jno_Gilmor_]

55. She figured she had it in the bag and didn't canpaign as hard as she should have

[Still In Wisconsin]

70. Yup. And specifically, Ignoring Wisconsin and Michigan was idiotic.

Also, brutally incompetent organization of local campaign offices. There were local-level volunteers literally showing up at the office in the town where I live asking for something to do. Their names and phone numbers were taken down, then they were sent away and never called back. Not coincidentally, Trump was the first Republican to win my congressional district since Reagan.

[ehrnst]

87. "Brutally incompetent?"

Please, don't hold back.... your opinion of HRC is clear.

Then again, some people with that judgement were convinced that Bernie's movement would be "gone - Illegal" under a Trump administration.

I'm sure that didn't color your judgement on the campaign whatsoever.

[Still In Wisconsin]

88. Bullshit. I voted, donated, and campaigned for HRC. The organization of field offices was

brutally incompetent. There WERE people showing up scared as hell about Trump, asking for something to do. They were never called back. It wasn't just here. It also wasn't HRC who was to blame for this, but her campaign organization.

And where did I say ANYTHING about Bernie? Sensitive much?

[ehrnst]

89. I've been on this board awhile.

As have you, but I've been here longer.

Before during and after the primaries. Feelings get recorded, and apparently are still raw.

Sensitive even.

[ehrnst]

94. I was just telling you that I have read what you have posted

concerning the topic in the past.

I was able to do that, because I have been here that long.

Is that clearer?

[ehrnst]

85. Hindsight - but really, do we know that she didn't win Michigan?

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8489128/michigan-recount-first-hand-account/

[ehrnst]

84. Still managed to beat her opponents. (nt)

[Blue Meany]

42. Did she have any solutions for the coming jobless economy? n/t

[JHan]

44. She identified some of the challenges

The vid of the interview is in the multimedia forum.

[nikibatts]

58. Well is one that got little attention. She didn't get the coverage for her proposal nor did she

push it much. Trump's behavior was the ultimate distraction and attraction for the media.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/11/12/clinton-plan-to-revitalize-coal-communities/

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Jobs.htm

[calimary]

63. Yeah, as I recalled, she discussed some of her ideas.

Pointing out, for example, that in "coal country," because of the global energy dynamics, coal is declining as a viable resource as other energy sources, especially green ones, are on the rise. Therefore, those coal jobs won't be coming back, as she pointed out - and remember how she got booed for that? That single tiny clip that was pulled and replayed ad nauseam, taken completely out of context. Remember that? It was PART of a longer comment such that BECAUSE those jobs won't be coming back, because the market for the product of those jobs is drying up, our emphasis has to be to look at what other kinds of 21st-century energy resources might be brought into that "coal country" labor market. As in, what else can we bring in, for them to do? What other kinds of jobs can we bring in or develop in that very area?

But nobody bothered with that part of her comment. It was so much sexier and controversial and provocative to use just the she-sure-sounds-cold-hearted part.

She's spent years on various kinds of "listening tours" whether it was for state-wide office (Senator from New York) or nationally - either on her husband's campaigns or her own. She's heard from the people themselves what they want and need and care about and worry over. Her instinct, as I've observed since 1992, is - when you identify a problem, and study it, that's when you can figure up SOMETHING to do about it. Of one kind or other. Finding SOME common ground that allows you to work with opponents and bring them in on things.

She did this over and over and over again. As Senator, as First Lady (of Arkansas and then of the US), as presidential candidate, and internationally as Secretary of State. She did the research, and the leg work. She was willing to get down into the weeds to figure out solutions and find answers by mastering the details, and shape policies accordingly. She did it when people were initially hostile to her. She was an outsider TWICE. Once, when she arrived in Little Rock Arkansas as a Yankee girl from Chicago and Yale in Connecticut, to build a life with local boy Bill Clinton. A second time, she was a new resident of New York, after eight years as First Lady in Washington DC, and seemingly everybody in New York called her a carpet-bagger. Um... until they voted for her, not once but twice.

I so badly wanted those brains in the Oval Office. I still do. I wanted those brains to get to work on our problems, big and small.

Such a loss. Even to those who'll never appreciate it.

[ehrnst]

86. Were you around in 2016? In the US?

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/jobs/

[BlancheSplanchnik]

43. I didn't see it and I'm sure I wouldn't be able to bear the sadness.

😪

[LoveMyCali]

69. I just finished watching it

and I really feel like I might throw up. Such a huge loss to this country!

[BlancheSplanchnik]

90. the only positive is that the situation now is opening a lot of eyes

People who never paid attention before are getting involved now, and the repubs who are capable of rehabilitating their ability for independent thought are beginning to get woke.

[calimary]

46. Madam President.

That's who she'll always be - to me anyway.

I watched the whole thing and just ached. My heart ached! My brain ached. Aw fuck - what we didn't get. What we lost. What we squandered. Willfully, recklessly, deliberately, myopically, pigheadedly, squandered.

Well, anybody who voted for trump - happy now? Like what you're getting? Either way they'd answer is sad: 1) yeah, got a good case of buyer's remorse for sure, or 2) NO! He's doing GREAT! Make America Great Again!" Either answer is sad. But much moreso for those roaring the second choice. That they think he's "doing great," and even more bewilderingly, how they somehow actively and even aggressively think he's making America great again. I get the first one. The second one? Goodnight, Irene. Bye, Felicia. Makes no sense at all. What say we find each and every one of them and present them with a hammer and chisel and a ticket on the ferry out to Liberty Island, so they can personally chisel that plaque off the Statue of Liberty's pedestal. You know, the one about "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." They should remove that plaque - because according to them, anyway, that's not who we are anymore.

-------------

Hey! I just looked for it and found it! That Emma Lazarus poem, complete and unabridged! Cool, 'eh?

Statue of Liberty Poem

Also known as the Statue of Liberty poem, New Colossus and its famous last lines have become part of American history. Here is the sonnet in its entirety:

New Colossus

statue of liberty poem
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

https://www.howtallisthestatueofliberty.org/what-is-the-quote-on-the-statue-of-liberty/

[skylucy]

56. She is SO smart and could have moved our country forward in so many ways. I will always

inspired by her. It was a treat to watch her on MSNBC today.

[Bleacher Creature]

57. I'll always be proud of my vote for HRC.

[DFW]

60. This clip should be a good reminder of the unfathomable contrast betweem the two candidates

And for anyone whose IQ is at least in double digits AND has a trace of goodwill left for his/her fellow humans--if this is not a stark reminder of the colossal error we made by not having Hillary as our president, then nothing ever will be.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

71. Disappointed that she didn't say Trump owes her voters an apology (the 3mm extra) for calling

them bogus votes.

[Beacool]

74. Intelligence, know-how, grace and aplomb.

Everything lacking in the orange lump in the WH. The difference makes me want to weep.

[Cha]

78. Mahalo for your report, JH.. Good to

know!

[ecstatic]

91. So they're covering her now... Wow

If only they had covered her like this in 2015/2016... Better late than never, I guess.

And yes, she deserved our votes because she worked so hard to understand policies and she knew WTF she was talking about. Unfortunately, complicated policies can't be dumbed down into cute little soundbytes.

[Sparkly]

93. I hope to see and hear more from her.

And I share the feeling of loss with you.