Berniecrat challenger to Pelosi claims Old White Guys unwelcome in SF politics

[Starry Messenger]

Charming.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/berniecrat-challenger-pelosi-claims-old-white-guys-unwelcome-sf-politics/

Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s left-of-left Berniecrat challenger is off to a shaky start.

Stephen Jaffe, 71, may not be hip to the digital lifestyle, but he’s already learned lesson No 1: Everything you post on social media can come back to bite you in the tuchas.

In October, he shared what he called a “politically incorrect” point of view on Facebook that has some supporters slapping their foreheads.

“Like everyone else, I have no control over who I am; I am an old white guy,” Jaffe wrote. Many local candidates emphasize their diversity — being all female, LGBT or of different genders and ethnicities, and they garner support from those groups, he claimed.

“But there is no Old White Guys Democratic Club in San Francisco,” Jaffe decried. “Many claim our government is controlled by old white straight men like me. But in San Francisco’s Democratic Party circles we are subtlely [sic] unwelcome because we are perceived as a politically incorrect liability.

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[bettyellen]

1. Says the guy who wants to zip from no one to leader in one jump.... try the school board fella...

Pay your dues by putting in time. Your time in the private sector means jack shit. Where have you been?

[brooklynite]

41. In all fairness, defeating the Democratic leader doesn't make you one...

[bettyellen]

54. I know- but symbolically it carries a lot of weight. After DT I'd never think of someone for

Congress who doesn't have a record of bonafide community development. That his livelihood was "pro worker" is not the same. He's way too old to be new at real community service.

[still_one]

2. Jaffe co-filed the lawsuit on behalf of Sanders' supporters that voters with

"no party preference" were not given proper instructions, and should be allowed to "re-vote". It was a bullshit lawsuit, and it rightfully went nowhere

There was no ambiguity on the procedures regarding California's voting for NPP, and it was made very clear, not only in the voting material sent to every registered voter, and how NPP voters can request which party ballot to vote their preference, but also documented online, and any place one registers. It has been in place for decades. There was nothing nefarious going on. It was a bogus lawsuit without merit.

[Starry Messenger]

3. I predict a crash and burn of this guy's ambitions.

I'm a CA voter, so I can also vouch for everything you say. (I even took pictures of the voting materials when things got stupid about the discussion of the process.)

[still_one]

4. I hope so stary. It diverts valuable resources from areas where we really need to focus

[Starry Messenger]

7. Hillary totally trounced in Marin County in both the primary and the GE.

Pelosi always wins up in the 70s. This guy is a vanity candidate, and not even very good at doing that, apparently.

[still_one]

8. Same here in Santa Clara county, but it is a distraction

[Brother Buzz]

14. Pelosi's 12th Congressional District no longer extends into Southern Marin

That being said, Pelosi is hugely popular, and it's a flip of the coin whether this dude even breaks double digits.

[Starry Messenger]

23. Sorry, I didn't know that!

Kind of embarrassing since I'm in the 14th, right next door.

[Warren DeMontague]

92. It was Lynn Woolsey, for a very long time.

Jared Huffman, now, I believe.

[Eliot Rosewater]

28. These type of folks are going to cause the GOP to maintain control of both houses,

maybe even cause the GOP to gain seats.

It is already happening, they are driving DEEP wedges and division in the party already, and there is how much time left?

Look, Putin and a few others want this, they did it last year, they are doing it again. And yet I am not even sure if it is safe for me to talk about it HERE of all places.

[brer cat]

42. I agree, Eliot.

This serves no useful purpose, and plays right into the Putin script.

[Cha]

88. Yes, they are and they're

just getting started. the ignorant purity faction.

[workinclasszero]

98. They show up again to damn us firmly into a fascist republican

medieval hellscape.

[workinclasszero]

97. This is what I fear as well

2018 is coming up fast and all I see on the left is division, attack, division, attack.

Trump, Putin and the Koch bros must be enjoying this immensely.

[Ninsianna]

5. wow.

[gratuitous]

6. By gadfrey, Mr. Jaffe, I salute you, sir!

When I think what horrible difficulties you have to face each and every day just to get out of bed and walk out the door, my heart swells with pride at your undaunted courage and limitless reservoir of resolve. You are an inspiration to us all, Mr. Old White Guy. Here's to hoping that some day - some glorious day - you will at last catch a break! Salud!

[FSogol]

95. LOL, Haven't White Men suffered enough?

[workinclasszero]

99. Oh the huge manatee!

For God's sake folks, pity the poor white man!

[RedWedge]

9. Berniecrat says similar things to Bernie?

You don't say.

[Starry Messenger]

10. He does seem to attract a certain type.

I don't want to get alerted on tho...so I'll keep it to that.

[RedWedge]

13. I hear you.

Thanks for posting this.

[RandySF]

78. Well

I remember a thread from last year filled with racist remarks about immigrants from India while discussing H1-B Visa reforms.

[JCanete]

30. how is that similar to things Sanders has said? nt

[RedWedge]

32. If you haven't seen by now, am I going to convince you?

[JCanete]

34. that's a valid point. Was wondering if you had heard something I hadn't, or if your interpretation

of something was entirely different than my own. On the other hand, maybe my interpretation is the one that needs challenging, so if you have a compelling argument, its always worth me listening to your evidence.

[sheshe2]

11. Ooh boy!

He even cited Martin Luther King Jr. and said he wants “to be judged by the content of [his] character’” and his ideas.

[Starry Messenger]

12. You can't make this stuff up.

I guess this one isn't a Russian troll, since he's out there doing & saying this actual stuff, in the world.

[obamanut2012]

15. Poor, poor marginalized thing

I bet he cries into his Four Barrels foam every morning.

[Starry Messenger]

17. With artisanal toast.

[BainsBane]

16. Talk about bad optics

This affirms all kinds of perceptions.

I predict the poor white men argument will not go over well in San Francisco.

[Starry Messenger]

21. Correct.

The FB page I got this link from was horrified, it's an SF anti-gentrification page.

[BainsBane]

18. We've seen some pretty great white guys from California recently

Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell, for example. I don't see them complaining about how they are so oppressed by their own privilege.

[skylucy]

19. Gavin Newson (last time I looked he was a "white guy") was mayor of San Francisco. Haven't seen

Gavin complaining and whining. This Jaffe guy is a piece of work...

[Warren DeMontague]

93. I think Gavin Newsom may have national aspirations, too.

And good for him, because we need younger, west coast leaders who have a track record of leading on everything from marriage equality to legalization of cannabis.

[JI7]

33. and our great governor jerry Brown who is an "old white guy"

And has no problem geTting support in this state with a majority of non white people.

In fact he didn't even have to campaign and won huge.

[uponit7771]

50. +1

[Cha]

89. Yes, there are a lot of older White men in the Democratic

Party who are real leaders.

[LexVegas]

20. She is going to wreck that guy. nt

[Blue_Tires]

22. Why doesn't he try being useful by unseating a republican?

[Starry Messenger]

24. What fun is that?

He'd have to move east, and it is hot, and there is no Blue Bottle Coffee.

[obamanut2012]

29. What the hell is your problem!

Never, ever make fun of Blue Bottle coffee again.

EVER.

Plus, they have stores in NYC, DC, and Miami now.

[yardwork]

38. I'm laughing out loud!

[delisen]

26. He doesn't want to unseat another old white guy?

[Cha]

47. Oh you mean instead of whining?

[hunter]

25. Good. Old privilged white guys tend to be clueless and that's what makes them dangerous.

I should know, I live among them. Some will say I am one.

Please accept my resignation. I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member. --Groucho Marx.

[bettyellen]

55. I'm in total agreement because they're not put there fighting in the numbers they should...

And they're not voting with empathy nearly often enough to give us wins. Solid progressive men need to go out and talk to them, because they're not listening to us.

[JTFrog]

27. Fuckin idiot. nt

[Bleacher Creature]

31. He must have learned the victimization gig from the Trump crowd. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. Hey, I thought "Berniecrats" didn't resort to "identity politics". Oops. "Old White Guys Club"?

[Starry Messenger]

44. Oops! Good point!

[melman]

36. Holy fuck

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This thread is too much.


If you deleted all the derisive references to 'old white guys' on this forum...you could free up half the server space.

It is constant, especially in reference to Sen. You Know Who.

So this guys acknowledges both that he is in fact an old white guy, and the plain truth that that is a problem for some people.

Now you all pretend that it's not a thing. Too much!

[yardwork]

39. Are you serious?

You are feeling oppressed by the old white guys in this thread who are mocking old white guys who whine about how they're oppressed?!

[melman]

40. Please point out where I said I felt oppressed

You'll probably have a hard time finding it but I'll wait.

[BainsBane]

52. What was the point of your post?

Other that to complain about how badly white men are treated?

[Caliman73]

43. Being an old white guy is not a problem.

Referencing reverse discrimination is always a problem because White Men, especially White Men of a certain generation, of certain religious tradition, and of certain financial means have been the defacto "authorities" on every subject in this society. Our societal norms are tailored to their interests and have been for about oh... since the country was founded by old White Men.

Now that there is push back and the views of other groups are very slowly reaching some level of parity in consideration, these guys are crying that they are being discriminated against.

There is a HUGE difference between being discriminated against, and not automatically being deferred and demurred to. He should maybe think about that before opening his mouth or letting loose on teh world wide web again.

[smirkymonkey]

79. +1000

Very well said!

[obamanut2012]

45. yawn

[CreekDog]

63. +1

more yawn

[Cha]

46. He's a Whiner.. But there is no Old White Guys Democratic Club in San Francisco"

[BainsBane]

51. LOL

[bettyellen]

62. This guy is decrying "identity politics" and saying they aren't "real issues" - he's toast

And he did that to himself by having his head up his ass.

[Starry Messenger]

66. You seem triggered

[melman]

69. Really?

That's the kind of thing the alt-righties on places like r/thedonald say. Interesting.

[Starry Messenger]

70. You'd know better than I.

[melman]

72. I'm not the one using their terminology

To use 'PC' or 'triggered' in that sort of mocking way is not something I would do. It is, however, something you did.

[Starry Messenger]

74. "I am aware of all internet traditions"

[melman]

75. Are you going to claim you didn't say 'triggered' in a mocking way?

Or that in 99% of situations that would be considered unacceptable here? That's laughable. You know it.

[Starry Messenger]

76. I'm glad you found something to care about in all of this.

Usually caping for the non-threatened rights of old white guys is considered unacceptable here. I suppose you'll try to run out the clock though.

[BainsBane]

84. You're the one in angst over how white men are treated

that comes straight from their playbook.

[melman]

85. Nope. No angst here

None whatsoever. It's beyond predictable that you'd try to say so, but still...nope. No angst.

[BainsBane]

94. This

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9007340

[obamanut2012]

90. hahhaha calling Starry "alt-right"

[RandySF]

81. Jerry Brown and Gavin Newsom had no problems.

White guy Michael Hennessey was San Francisco Sheriff for 32 years, Newson was Mayor for 8 before Willie Brown, we had white guys Frank Jordan and Art Agnos. Four of eleven seats are occupied by white guys on the Board of Supervisors. What's the problem?

[snooper2]

96. The only problem this guy has is his hair

LOL


http://www.trbimg.com/img-5900ca1f/turbine/la-pol-stephenr-jaffe-20170426/600

[JTFrog]

100. Poor old white guys.

They've had it rough for so many years. Won't someone please just think of them!

[RoBear]

37. in the words of Patrick Dennis

"WHAT A SHOWER OF SHIT!"

[Lucky Luciano]

48. I'm a Berniecrat and this guy sucks. nt

[bettyellen]

56. He might as well have claimed "girls have cooties" because that makes the same amount of sense

[Starry Messenger]

58. Don't we though? :D

You'd think we do, from the tone recently, hmmmm.

[bettyellen]

61. You're totally cracking me up. I gotta laugh at this powerful

Lawyer with such great experience thinks whining about affirmative action is a good look for a candidate in SF. I'm sure he would have added in hetero/cis .... if he'd only been familiar with those ideas- LOL.

[Warren DeMontague]

49. I like Nancy Pelosi.

We need leadership in the house that, like Nancy Pelosi, supports legalizing cannabis.

Having unapologetic prohibitionists like DWS going to the NY Times and spreading reefer madness nonsense is terrible for our brand.

[spooky3]

53. And there's a War on Christmas, too!!!11!!11!

[Cha]

57. "Berniecrat".. lol Thank you for

this report, Starry!

[jberryhill]

59. Why pretend this idiot is of any significance at all?

Is he going to beat Pelosi? No

Does he have a whisp of a chance of doing so? No.

I don't know what the final popular vote was for the Vermin Supreme presidential candidacy either.

[Starry Messenger]

60. Of course not.

But if some DUers were thinking of donating to him, they might appreciate the open exchange of information. Knowledge is power!

[Cha]

86. I know, right. Why cover it up?

That's a better question.

[Starry Messenger]

87. I mean, this is the kind of thing we post here.

How many threads did we have about Tim Canova when he ran against Debbie Wasserman-Shultz? More than one, I recall.

[obamanut2012]

91. Ah, Canova -- the "leftie" who is back on wingnut radio

Down here.

[JI7]

64. making sure they remain insignificant and not let trolls come on and dominate

the conversation.

[CreekDog]

65. Nancy Pelosi wins this district by huge margins

You could argue that Pelosi ignores her opponents, but then so do her voters!

2004:
General: Pelosi-D 83.0%/Depalma 11.5%
2006:
General: Pelosi-D 80.4%/DeNunzio-R 10.8%
2008:
Primary: Pelosi-D 89.2%/Golub-D 10.8%
General: Pelosi-D 71.9%/Sheehan-I 16.2%
2010:
General: Pelosi-D 80.1%/Dennis-R 15.2%

(California changes from party primaries to "jungle" primaries)

2012:
Primary: Pelosi-D 74.9%/Dennis-R 13.6%
General: Pelosi-D 85.1%/Dennis-R 14.9%
2014:
Primary: Pelosi-D 73.6%/Dennis-R 11.9%
General: Pelosi-D 83.3%/Dennis-R 16.7%
2016:
Primary: Pelosi-D 78.1%/Picus-NPP 7.7%
General: Pelosi-D 80.9%/Picus-NPP 19.1%

[CreekDog]

67. If this guy thinks it's *soooo* important to challenge and beat Pelosi, then why's he running?

There are a ton of people in the district who could give her a stronger challenge than he can.

But, here are the possible reasons why he's running himself instead of them:

1) he can't get anyone else to run because they know voters will choose her
2) he can't get anyone else to run because they prefer her in the position she's in to anyone else
3) he didn't bother trying to get anyone else to run, thinking he, a neophyte, is the best one to take her on

I suspect #3. But if it's #1 or #2 should have told him something, and if it didn't, then he's too dumb to be taken seriously --which he won't be.

[Starry Messenger]

68. Someone has to be the voice for old white guys, Creek.

The Minority Industrial Complex in SF must be stopped, I guess?

[CreekDog]

71. Why can't we just talk about economics, why all the stuff about racism this, sexism that???

If we talk isms, it's not about everybody. If we talk about the economy, it's everybody.

(ooooohh i could write this stuff...)

[Starry Messenger]

73. Don't forget to throw in MLK Jr. quotes

You're all set!

[RandySF]

77. Yeah, who cares about Equal Protection Under the Law

[CreekDog]

80. Nancy Pelosi does, what's your point?

[RandySF]

83. oops I see the sarcasm now.

I misinterpreted your earlier post.

[RandySF]

82. He won't be an afterthought.

[CreekDog]

103. LOL

[NastyRiffraff]

101. No, Jaffe, it's not "old white guys" who are unwelcome

in San Francisco. It's you. You're the "politically incorrect liability."

What an ass.