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niyad

(113,074 posts)
Wed May 3, 2017, 01:14 PM May 2017

Morford: Male birth control is already here. Guess who's blocking it?




Male birth control is already here. Guess who’s blocking it?

By Mark Morford on May 1, 2017 at 1:45 PM



The maverick: Professor Sujoy Guha


Women have lots of contraceptive options, none of them very good and all with lots of room for improvement


One simple shot, and it's done. One more, and it's undone.



All your suspicions are probably correct. All your most depressing hunches about capitalism’s true nature usually prove, in many cases, all too true.Shall we sum it up, one more time? It goes something like this:
Just because a brilliant, relatively simple invention would save lives, shift the global paradigm, upend the lopsided, hugely unfair gender/procreation dynamic, help curb global overpopulation and diminish multiple, long-standing cultural and religious stigmas, doesn’t mean capitalism can let it happen. Why? You already know why.

Take, for one fine and telling example: birth control for men. Have you heard? It’s done. It’s ready. It’s safe, it works, it’s simple and easy and extremely affordable and it was invented in rural India by a maverick, 76-year-old biomedical engineer named Sujoy Guha at a tiny, scruffy biomedical startup, because all the big pharma monoliths across the planet have worked very hard to block, halt, stall, balk at researching it for themselves. It’s a tremendous threat, you see, to their female-contraception profits. And, as we are all reminded nearly every single day, capitalism’s No. 1 rule is forever inviolable: No one and nothing – not childbirth, not disease, not the environment, not human health or love or humanitarian progress – nothing f—ks with the bottom line.

Behold, the sad-but-still-hopeful tale of RISUG, (“reversible inhibition of sperm under guidance”), as reported by Bloomberg (though Wired reported on it as far back as 2011). RISUG is a gel that, once injected into a man’s scrotum in a simple, one-time, 15-minute outpatient procedure, stays put for years and knock’s out sperm’s viability, until another simple injection reverses it.It really does appear to be just that simple, just that inspired. And the story of Guha’s invention is one full of bravery and smarts, scrappy industriousness and genuine concern for the fate of humanity.



$3 billion a year in profits, and everyone hates them. RISUG could change everything

Not that you’d know it in the West. Despite RISUG’s obvious, world-altering potential to completely upend the way we think about contraception, population control and who can now take responsibility for what, no major U.S. pharma will go near it. Not because it’s dangerous. Not because it’s untested. Not because it would require relatively little in the way of further clinical trials in U.S. to get it approved. And not only because all U.S. pharma companies are run by rich, middle-aged white guys who are so monstrously limited in imagination, so entirely lacking in, well, balls, they all collectively freak out at the idea of trying to market what amounts to a tiny, one-time needle-shot into their precious man-bits.

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http://blog.sfgate.com/morford/2017/05/01/male-birth-control-is-already-here-guess-whos-blocking-it/#photo-792747
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Morford: Male birth control is already here. Guess who's blocking it? (Original Post) niyad May 2017 OP
I'm sure Fundies HAB911 May 2017 #1
no doubt niyad May 2017 #2
Every sperm is sacred!! /nt hopeforchange2008 May 2017 #3
Damn. volstork May 2017 #39
Molford's premise falls apart when you realize that there are 200,000+ vascetomies performed in the FSogol May 2017 #4
A sperm that gets through and is "highly damaged" likely won't reach the ovum Orrex May 2017 #14
and if it is a male sperm, it won't stop and ask for directions? FSogol May 2017 #24
Probably not, but it's hard to fold a map under those conditions Orrex May 2017 #26
There's a vas deferens between between an injection and surgery Orrex May 2017 #16
Are you channeling Pinboy3niner? MindPilot May 2017 #19
I can only aspire (nt) Orrex May 2017 #29
You really seemed to grasp the problem. You could say you have it by the short hairs. FSogol May 2017 #23
Ha! Freethinker65 May 2017 #28
It's a pretty solid and safe birth control measure. Here is the Wikipedia article about it. StevieM May 2017 #18
Yeah, I skimmed an article about it a month or so ago. Looks promising, but I wouldn't FSogol May 2017 #25
Men do tend to be more..careful about hurting their reproductive parts ismnotwasm May 2017 #5
so very true. niyad May 2017 #6
Awwwwwww... bullsnarfle May 2017 #37
Then who is buying all of the penis and scrotum piercing jewelry? jberryhill May 2017 #43
I am speaking from nursing experience ismnotwasm May 2017 #46
From a public health perspective... jberryhill May 2017 #47
I'd pay Big Money to see American men lining up in droves to get an injection into their scrotums. WillowTree May 2017 #7
as long as i have the concession stand!! niyad May 2017 #8
Deal! WillowTree May 2017 #12
But wouldn't that damage the sacred elixir of male power? enough May 2017 #9
shhhhh niyad May 2017 #10
If men were able nykym May 2017 #11
"if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament" niyad May 2017 #13
thank you knew I forgot something just got swept up in the moment nykym May 2017 #15
that's okay, the point is correct, no matter how expressed niyad May 2017 #17
If men mercuryblues May 2017 #33
And everyone would be an only child Freddie May 2017 #54
YES niyad May 2017 #56
What we said a long long time ago... countryjake May 2017 #21
Birth control will really come of age when MindPilot May 2017 #20
RW nutters probably think Planned Parenthood Ilsa May 2017 #22
Add it to beer and hot dogs bucolic_frolic May 2017 #27
"Nor is it part of the $3 billion/year disposable condom industry." - yeah because unlike condoms... PoliticAverse May 2017 #30
Unlike condoms, RISUG doesn't protect against STDs meow2u3 May 2017 #32
Politic, maybe that explains the woman with the male escort oldcynic May 2017 #38
Screw big pharma, why doesn't small pharma get on it? IronLionZion May 2017 #31
Kick. Rec. Bookmark. I had no idea this was out there... Hekate May 2017 #34
I'm curious as to why the doctor is holding condoms up as an example of "female contraception". ?? JoeStuckInOH May 2017 #35
I suspect the main thing holding it back is this cstanleytech May 2017 #36
Ever listen to the nykym May 2017 #40
Immaterial to the issue at hand which as of this time it has not won approval to be sold. nt cstanleytech May 2017 #48
Yes, the FDA requires that of regulated drugs... supplements and so on, not so much jberryhill May 2017 #52
That and there is no way for a woman to know a man has/is using it jberryhill May 2017 #44
A wise woman would insist on condom use Mariana May 2017 #51
I could see this being popular with married or long term couples Freddie May 2017 #55
I think it should be injected into newborn infant males. mountain grammy May 2017 #41
I hope this is a joke!!! SwissTony May 2017 #42
Yeah, but I've been thinking of a futuristic story mountain grammy May 2017 #45
It's great the way it works, but what about protection from STD's? madinmaryland May 2017 #49
Most birth control methods do nothing to prevent STD's. Mariana May 2017 #50
The intellectual property rights to RISUG have been acquired for the US by the Parsemus Foundation LongTomH May 2017 #53

FSogol

(45,452 posts)
4. Molford's premise falls apart when you realize that there are 200,000+ vascetomies performed in the
Wed May 3, 2017, 01:24 PM
May 2017

US yearly. Vasectomies are a heck of a lot more invasive than a scrotal injection. Also, won't a sperm that manages to get through this BC scheme be highly damaged and cause horrific birth defects? Not to mention the other health benefits of using a condom.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
14. A sperm that gets through and is "highly damaged" likely won't reach the ovum
Wed May 3, 2017, 01:55 PM
May 2017

At best, it'll swim in a circle until it croaks.





Orrex

(63,172 posts)
16. There's a vas deferens between between an injection and surgery
Wed May 3, 2017, 01:56 PM
May 2017

Sorry--just trying to get that joke out of the way before anyone gets testy.

FSogol

(45,452 posts)
25. Yeah, I skimmed an article about it a month or so ago. Looks promising, but I wouldn't
Wed May 3, 2017, 02:20 PM
May 2017

want to be the first to volunteer.

ismnotwasm

(41,967 posts)
5. Men do tend to be more..careful about hurting their reproductive parts
Wed May 3, 2017, 01:31 PM
May 2017

Although to be fair--all that exposed flesh makes them vulnerable to pain and damage.

I do wish we would get on with male birth control already--it will NOT replace the need for condoms and safe sex practices but it certainly should be available

bullsnarfle

(254 posts)
37. Awwwwwww...
Wed May 3, 2017, 03:43 PM
May 2017

poor widdle mens, boo-hoo...

I'll bet if they all had an effing 10 pound baby after 36 hours of labor with no epidural they would be happy as a mutha to get that scrote shot.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
47. From a public health perspective...
Wed May 3, 2017, 04:44 PM
May 2017

I'd be curious to know whether it was more likely that:

(a) unwanted pregnancies would be reduced by introduction of this into the market, or

(b) unwanted pregnancies and STD's would be increased by the predictable offsetting predilection of men to lie about using it as an inducement not to use a condom.

My hunch is (b), but that's just a hunch.

Not that it matters as to whether it "should or should not" be available. If it is safe and effective, and someone thinks they can make money selling it, of course that's all that marketability requires.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
7. I'd pay Big Money to see American men lining up in droves to get an injection into their scrotums.
Wed May 3, 2017, 01:47 PM
May 2017

Just sayin'.

nykym

(3,063 posts)
11. If men were able
Wed May 3, 2017, 01:52 PM
May 2017

to get pregnant it would be considered a holy sacrament.
And the laws for choice would be changed overnite

mercuryblues

(14,522 posts)
33. If men
Wed May 3, 2017, 03:01 PM
May 2017

could get pregnant birth control pills would be sold in vending machines, be chewable and bacon flavored.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
22. RW nutters probably think Planned Parenthood
Wed May 3, 2017, 02:11 PM
May 2017

has kept the lid on this so they can get rich "murdering babies."

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
30. "Nor is it part of the $3 billion/year disposable condom industry." - yeah because unlike condoms...
Wed May 3, 2017, 02:39 PM
May 2017

it doesn't offer any protection against sexually transmitted disease transmission.

Also RISUG doesn't offer any protection against being lied to. "You don't need any birth control, I'm on RISUG, trust me!".

meow2u3

(24,759 posts)
32. Unlike condoms, RISUG doesn't protect against STDs
Wed May 3, 2017, 02:58 PM
May 2017

In other words, if a guy had "the shot", he may not be getting a woman pregnant any time soon, but he could give her an STI.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
31. Screw big pharma, why doesn't small pharma get on it?
Wed May 3, 2017, 02:45 PM
May 2017

Even if capitalism is pure demonic evil , why doesn't some small company start offering it so that they could profit from it?

I'm a male and I would totally do male birth control. Plenty of men get vasectomies. In fact, there's often an increase during March Madness basketball games so they can stay home for a few days.

Hekate

(90,562 posts)
34. Kick. Rec. Bookmark. I had no idea this was out there...
Wed May 3, 2017, 03:07 PM
May 2017

Incredible. I hope Dr Guha lives long enough to see this sweep the planet.

 

JoeStuckInOH

(544 posts)
35. I'm curious as to why the doctor is holding condoms up as an example of "female contraception". ??
Wed May 3, 2017, 03:29 PM
May 2017

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Women have lots of contraceptive options, none of them very good and all with lots of room for improvement


The article seems to be saying that the $3B in condoms profits is a major political roadblock for the RISUG. Which I can totally believe because money always wins out.

But I do believe that condoms are indeed a MALE contraceptive device and they are already inundated into the market. So it's not like the market doesn't have an existing male contraceptive solution... heck, condoms are probably the most common product out there.

I'm just not seeing the sexist angle, here. The money angle, though... definitely explains alot. Threatening to end a $3B stranglehold in any market is going to be a tough battle against the powers that be.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
52. Yes, the FDA requires that of regulated drugs... supplements and so on, not so much
Wed May 3, 2017, 06:17 PM
May 2017

Basically, it is a recitation of everything that happened to people in the various study populations, whether it can be connected with the drug or not.

If you are testing a skin cream for burns, say, and some guy has a heart attack during the study, then "heart attack" is going to be in that recitation.

At the end of the day, had the drug not cleared the hurdles of "safe and effective", it would not be marketed at all. Do unknown risks come up later? Yep. Have pharma companies been caught fudging results before? Yep.

But, yeah, you certainly don't hear how many people died driving whatever model car is advertised in a car commercial, because nobody requires that either.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
51. A wise woman would insist on condom use
Wed May 3, 2017, 06:09 PM
May 2017

if SHE isn't using BC of her own, if she wants to avoid pregnancy. You know, just like wise men who don't want to be fathers have done for decades, when women said they were on BC. People lie, that's just a fact.

Depending the the circumstances, men and women alike might be wise to insist on condom use anyway, to prevent STD's.

Freddie

(9,257 posts)
55. I could see this being popular with married or long term couples
Wed May 3, 2017, 06:45 PM
May 2017

Wife goes to the doctor appointment to witness.
For all the MRAs who are terrified of being "trapped" into child support payments - here ya go.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
41. I think it should be injected into newborn infant males.
Wed May 3, 2017, 04:09 PM
May 2017

and can only be reversed as an adult decision with proper counseling and a large down payment for the future child.

This could change everything.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
45. Yeah, but I've been thinking of a futuristic story
Wed May 3, 2017, 04:32 PM
May 2017

along these lines, and not permanent sterilization. Birth control.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
49. It's great the way it works, but what about protection from STD's?
Wed May 3, 2017, 05:38 PM
May 2017

It will have no effect against STD's, which could increase the rate of AIDS, Syphilis, etc.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
50. Most birth control methods do nothing to prevent STD's.
Wed May 3, 2017, 05:59 PM
May 2017

They prevent pregnancy, which is what is what they are supposed to do. Safe and effective birth control is valuable in and of itself. Prevention of STD's is important, but it is a separate issue.

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