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The ACHA just passed. (Original Post) pnwmom May 2017 OP
It passed *the House.* The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #1
A week ago it was "unlikely" to pass the House. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #6
The Senate is a very different bunch. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #13
Changes had to be made to get enough votes to pass in the House Kaleva May 2017 #25
MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!! Initech May 2017 #2
Bastards padah513 May 2017 #3
welcome to du. apparently, it was the dems singing it. niyad May 2017 #8
I wish they hadn't done that exboyfil May 2017 #18
To me it is a good thing if true gabeana May 2017 #21
I hope all of their children need to declare bankruptcy to pay for their medical care. crazylikafox May 2017 #10
It passed the HOUSE SoCalNative May 2017 #4
They will be chortling. Their smugness will be unbearable. -nt CrispyQ May 2017 #5
Let's see how smug they are when the CBO score comes out The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #16
their voters do not care about the cbo niyad May 2017 #19
They will when they find out what this actually does. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #22
Aren't 218 votes required to pass anything in the house ... VMA131Marine May 2017 #7
Abstentions or absent members? ananda May 2017 #12
Abstentions don't change the majority requirement, neither do absentees ... VMA131Marine May 2017 #17
Nope. Yonnie3 May 2017 #35
2 reps joined leftynyc May 2017 #14
There are currently 4 vacancies in the House.... PoliticAverse May 2017 #33
It passed the House. blogslut May 2017 #9
Those are our guys? mahina May 2017 #27
I'm still not fond of it. blogslut May 2017 #37
The world has officially ended ProudLib72 May 2017 #11
Well I am sure bdamomma May 2017 #15
The house passed an 'audit the fed bill' in 2012... Blanks May 2017 #20
got it through the House Thomas Hurt May 2017 #23
Hasn't the house repealed ACA numerous times? Buckeyeblue May 2017 #24
And the Senate too. Obama vetoed it. Trump won't. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #26
There were more Repubs in the Senate then. Kaleva May 2017 #28
It can't pass mvd May 2017 #29
Names of GOP house members that voted "no"? Freethinker65 May 2017 #30
Make sure redumbliCONs that voted "yes" never return to Washington democratisphere May 2017 #31
Now it's up to them to fix all the shit they have been crowing about The_Casual_Observer May 2017 #32
Also, a woefully insufficient $8 billion is enough to make this pass? mvd May 2017 #34
The house also repealed O.C. a bazillion times C_U_L8R May 2017 #36
Time to fight for free single payer for all HoneyBadger May 2017 #38
Roll call list link Yonnie3 May 2017 #39
Dems should use this opportunity to talk about morality and what kind of country we want to be Nanjeanne May 2017 #40

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,280 posts)
13. The Senate is a very different bunch.
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:23 PM
May 2017

And the CBO score will be out by then. It will be a whole new ball game.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
25. Changes had to be made to get enough votes to pass in the House
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:28 PM
May 2017

More changes will have to made before there's a chance it can pass the Senate. Changes that may make the bill unacceptable to many Repubs in the House.

exboyfil

(17,857 posts)
18. I wish they hadn't done that
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:25 PM
May 2017

It takes away from the seriousness of the vote. I was about ready to go high order about Republican taunting. Whoever thought it was a good idea is sadly mistaken.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
21. To me it is a good thing if true
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:26 PM
May 2017

tells me dems are going to make this an issue, hang around the GOP neck,take back the house

crazylikafox

(2,739 posts)
10. I hope all of their children need to declare bankruptcy to pay for their medical care.
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:22 PM
May 2017

I'd wish them worse but I'm a nice person.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,280 posts)
16. Let's see how smug they are when the CBO score comes out
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:24 PM
May 2017

and they have to explain to their constituents back home how they fucked them.

VMA131Marine

(4,124 posts)
7. Aren't 218 votes required to pass anything in the house ...
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:22 PM
May 2017

435 / 2 = 217.5 or are there only 433 house reps at the moment?

VMA131Marine

(4,124 posts)
17. Abstentions don't change the majority requirement, neither do absentees ...
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:25 PM
May 2017

There are a number of open seats however...

Yonnie3

(17,376 posts)
35. Nope.
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:40 PM
May 2017

I read the clerk of the house announcing that "433 is the whole number of the house" in January due to a resignation. I haven't noticed any other announcements, but I'm not reading the house floor activities report every day.

http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.aspx?day=20170103&today=20170504

11:01:00 A.M.

ADJUSTMENT OF WHOLE HOUSE - Under Clause 5(d) of rule 20, the Chair announced to the House that, in light of the resignation of the gentlewoman from Michigan, Mrs. Miller, the whole number of the House is 433.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
33. There are currently 4 vacancies in the House....
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:37 PM
May 2017

Last edited Thu May 4, 2017, 03:38 PM - Edit history (1)

See: http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/vacancies.aspx

So a current majority is: 435 -4 = 431 / 2 = 215.5 = 216.

blogslut

(37,955 posts)
9. It passed the House.
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:22 PM
May 2017

It still needs to be passed by the Senate. It's not over and those fuckers singing can fuck right off.

bdamomma

(63,655 posts)
15. Well I am sure
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:24 PM
May 2017

Mr Trump is happy and we are going to hear about it.

this means war folks the repigs will be going down. Oh, trump supporters this affects you too.

Anything good during the Obama years for the people they are completing destroying.

They own this one. But the Senate will not comply with this crap.

Plus the CBO office I think I could be wrong has not even come out to say how many people this will affect.

The filthy repigs are greedy SOB men. They will loose their constituents.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
20. The house passed an 'audit the fed bill' in 2012...
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:26 PM
May 2017

And again in 2014.

The house passes stuff all the time that nothing comes from. It's just a victory before they go on vacation.

Try not to panic.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
23. got it through the House
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:27 PM
May 2017

now there is the Senate and legal challenges and the political fallout, if they get signed.

Buckeyeblue

(5,491 posts)
24. Hasn't the house repealed ACA numerous times?
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:27 PM
May 2017

I doubt it gets through the Senate. I would be surprised if there are 50 senators willing to vote for it.

If it passes, maybe we should all drop healthcare coverage, start using emergency rooms for all of our health needs and refuse to pay the bills when we get them.

I know that doesn't work for everyone. Just saying.

Freethinker65

(9,933 posts)
30. Names of GOP house members that voted "no"?
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:33 PM
May 2017

Were there any surprises? Who among the GOP yes votes is most vulnerable?

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
32. Now it's up to them to fix all the shit they have been crowing about
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:35 PM
May 2017

And make it work.

However, they won't do shit and this is going to hurt everybody since the ACA affected all insured in one way or another.
Watch premiums skyrocket for everyone now.

mvd

(65,148 posts)
34. Also, a woefully insufficient $8 billion is enough to make this pass?
Thu May 4, 2017, 02:38 PM
May 2017

The Repukes are ALL morally bankrupt! So called moderates included! Not very moderate if an $8 billion out of $200 billion needed carrot will appease them.

Nanjeanne

(4,878 posts)
40. Dems should use this opportunity to talk about morality and what kind of country we want to be
Thu May 4, 2017, 03:01 PM
May 2017

... and how we want to treat our citizens.

It's not just kicking millions off - it's saying Republicans believe it's OK to buy insurance for healthcare based on how much you earn. That's not OK. Teachers, social workers, fast food workers, secretaries, all people deserve quality healthcare.

When Republicans use CHOICE they mean choose what you can afford. What kind of morality is that? And now cancer patients and others will life-threatening diseases will have annual caps and lifetime caps and premiums they can't afford in high risk pools that does nothing to bring down the cost of healthcare. Bankruptcy is now in the future for millions if they live long enough to exhaust their annual and lifetime caps.

Medicare4All - take the profit incentive out of healthCARE now. Insurance companies will still sell adjunct healthcare items and flourish. Rich people will always be able to buy more care. But ALL citizens will get excellent healthCARE and everyone will be covered.

Messaging now is more important than ever. When Taiwain started their universal healthcare system in the 1980s - they did it after years of economic growth. They started from the moral standpoint that a country that now had the money needed to protect it's citizens and they then created their national healthcare system from scratch based on that moral starting point.

Democrats need to find a common thread that they all use. It's not enough to talk about people losing insurance. People listen to that and think - that's not me - those people are lazy or poor or useless. A real concrete message condensed into a couple of sentences repeated over and over is what the Democrats need.

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