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L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
Fri May 5, 2017, 07:35 PM May 2017

French Campaign Hack: Fake docs mixed with authentic ones.

.... In February, the Kremlin denied that it was behind any such attacks, even though Macron's camp renewed complaints against Russian media and a hackers' group operating in Ukraine.

In its statement on Friday, En Marche! said that the documents released online showed only the normal functionings of a presidential campaign, but that authentic documents had been mixed on social media with fake ones to sow "doubt and misinformation".

"The seriousness of this event is certain and we shall not tolerate that the vital interests of democracy be put at risk," it added. ............





The latest surveys show Macron winning with about 62 percent of the vote.





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French Campaign Hack: Fake docs mixed with authentic ones. (Original Post) L. Coyote May 2017 OP
We know this is happening yet it is put on the back burner by partisan members BigmanPigman May 2017 #1
It is called COLLUSION... Raster May 2017 #2
SAME shit Russia did to Dems and Podesta. n/t CousinIT May 2017 #3
Macron campaign says the "massive & coordinated" email hack mixes real & fake documents. L. Coyote May 2017 #4
English translation of the Macron team's email hack announcement, L. Coyote May 2017 #5
Don't know how to evaluate two of the claims. Igel May 2017 #6
SSDV... Wounded Bear May 2017 #7
Excellent information, L. Coyote! herding cats May 2017 #8
Just curious. moondust May 2017 #9
Jack Posobiec, Roger Stone's pet project, started the #MacronLeaks hashtag L. Coyote May 2017 #10
Alt-right is behind the hashtag campaign. Trumpsters are meddling in France. L. Coyote May 2017 #13
U.S. Far-Right Activists Promote Hacking Attack Against Macron L. Coyote May 2017 #19
... pretty clear by now that Guccifer 2.0 was a sock puppet account, probably created by Posobiec L. Coyote May 2017 #21
Some fakes show him buying designer drugs and another dealing arms for ISIS lunasun May 2017 #11
And Trump bots are pushing the fake news. What's with that. L. Coyote May 2017 #12
Russian Excel left some app-internal strings in Russian L. Coyote May 2017 #14
The really good news malaise May 2017 #15
Yes and Breitbart failed to launch an outpost there, though they really, really wanted to. suffragette May 2017 #18
the entire western MSM is becoming just like propaganda machines of closed, totalitarian regimes; TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #16
This is how democracy was overthrown in Brazil, right-wing media propaganda enables the coup. L. Coyote May 2017 #17
French internet users mock alt-right US twitter storm L. Coyote May 2017 #20

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
1. We know this is happening yet it is put on the back burner by partisan members
Fri May 5, 2017, 07:47 PM
May 2017

in the House and Senate. It is continuing to happen here and around the world. When will someone get some cojones and step up regardless of political affiliation? They care more about tRump possibly getting caught in collusion than about protecting world wide democracies!

Raster

(20,998 posts)
2. It is called COLLUSION...
Fri May 5, 2017, 08:09 PM
May 2017

...the rethuglicans in Congress care more about their majorities and their party than they do about Country. Many rethuglicans are willing to look the other way when it comes to Russia and hacking, others are forced to because of their involvement.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
5. English translation of the Macron team's email hack announcement,
Fri May 5, 2017, 11:01 PM
May 2017





Following the Wikileaks post, Trumps accounts and @JackPosobiec.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
6. Don't know how to evaluate two of the claims.
Fri May 5, 2017, 11:02 PM
May 2017

The first, that a hacker group is in Ukraine. To be sure. Probably many. Could be in Kyiv, could be in Odessa, could be in the Donbas and not under Kyiv's jurisdiction these days. Can't tell.

The second, that fake docs are in with accurate docs. We heard this same claim about the DNC doc dump. Lots of alterations, fake documents. Except that those claims stopped because, well, they didn't turn out to be all that accurate. Problem is it's easy to cite the early layer of claims as true and overlook the later lack of such claims. One's salient, and is "evidence," the other is forgotten and plopped into the Lethe.

Wounded Bear

(58,648 posts)
7. SSDV...
Fri May 5, 2017, 11:02 PM
May 2017

same shit, different victim.

Hopefully the polls hold. He had a 20 point lead earlier in the week.

moondust

(19,979 posts)
9. Just curious.
Fri May 5, 2017, 11:12 PM
May 2017

Everybody knew this was coming after the U.S. hacking. Did Macron's campaign not hire enough cyber security people or were they unable to secure their servers for some reason?

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
10. Jack Posobiec, Roger Stone's pet project, started the #MacronLeaks hashtag
Fri May 5, 2017, 11:20 PM
May 2017

Is this starting to look like a Trump operation with Manafort's Ukranian hackers?




L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
13. Alt-right is behind the hashtag campaign. Trumpsters are meddling in France.
Sat May 6, 2017, 01:17 PM
May 2017



Watch for the red baseball caps and have your spray ready.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
19. U.S. Far-Right Activists Promote Hacking Attack Against Macron
Sun May 7, 2017, 09:40 AM
May 2017









Were trump's hackers trying to pin this hack on the Russians? The Russians certainly are not this sloppy!




lunasun

(21,646 posts)
11. Some fakes show him buying designer drugs and another dealing arms for ISIS
Sat May 6, 2017, 12:47 AM
May 2017
no pedophile rings in crepe shops at least ....

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
12. And Trump bots are pushing the fake news. What's with that.
Sat May 6, 2017, 01:31 AM
May 2017

Are they trying to pin the French hack on the Russians to deflect from Trump paying the Russian hackers for the DNC hack?

Is the French hack hack a deflection for the American hack? Is Trump behind it?

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
16. the entire western MSM is becoming just like propaganda machines of closed, totalitarian regimes;
Sat May 6, 2017, 03:18 PM
May 2017

their strategy is to diseminate so many lies and deliberate misinformation that even the most determined, fair-minded observers will have trouble knowing what the truth is. and of course, hiding the truth from the 99% is exactly what they want to do.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
20. French internet users mock alt-right US twitter storm
Sun May 7, 2017, 02:15 PM
May 2017
#MacronLeaks Campaign Hits Resistance
French internet users mock alt-right US twitter storm

..... Posobiec’s hashtag drive was supported by other alt-right voices in the US, and a collection of probable bot accounts. It was picked up and spread by some of Le Pen’s most active supporters in the French Twittersphere.

Over the course of May 6, the DFRLab conducted three machine scans of posts using the hashtag #MacronLeaks: the first from 01:00 to 08:00 UTC, the second from 08:00 to 12:00, and the third from 12:00 to 16:00. Each collected roughly 100,000 tweets.

In each period, the number of users was relatively steady, ranging between 35,000 and 39,000. This is a high rate of activity and engagement, enough to make the hashtag trend on both sides of the Atlantic

..... eight of the ten most-retweeted tweets in the hours immediately after Posobiec’s launch came from Anglophone accounts — three from WikiLeaks, which commented on the leaks, and five from Posobiec, who launched the hashtag drive.... By the early hours of Saturday morning, French time, the situation was even more extreme. All twenty-five most shared tweets during this period were in English. ........... divided between alt-right voices, such as Posobiec and US Twitter user Mike Cernovich, and opponents, such as the account @RVAWonk, which tracks bots and disinformation campaigns. .....

By 12:00 UTC, the balance between English and French had swung the other way. Seven out of the ten top tweets on the Saturday morning were in French; just three were in English, two from WikiLeaks and one from Posobiec. .... These evolutions are significant for what they show about the impact of the Macron leaks. Initially, the conversation was dominated by alt-right and anti-Macron voices, especially in the US alt-right movement. During the night, the emphasis shifted to French accounts; at the same time, posts mocking and criticizing the leaks began to gain traction. On Saturday afternoon (French time), the claim of Russian involvement began to dominate.

While these trends evolved, the number of posts and users remained remarkably constant. This suggests that the share of alt-right and anti-Macron messaging, which dominated the conversation initially, was progressively reduced by counter-messaging, either mocking the leaks and leakers or linking them to Russia.

This, in turn, would suggest that, although the hashtag #MacronLeaks itself performed extremely well, gathering close on half a million tweets in 24 hours, the leakers struggled to achieve the kind of seismic change in the French political debate which would be required to overturn Le Pen’s poll lag.






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