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So let me see if I get this (Original Post) malaise May 2017 OP
what really bothered me was that the trump team requested the intel Horse with no Name May 2017 #1
No doubt it was malaise May 2017 #2
Me too Horse with no Name May 2017 #3
Apparently the request came not from main members of the Trump transition team.. JHan May 2017 #4
they showed some real brass copying intel and taking it from the scif. mopinko May 2017 #5
I'm not going to blame any of this on stupidity Horse with no Name May 2017 #12
yeah, the safer assumption. mopinko May 2017 #19
My take on this is that the leaks will eliminate all attempts to claim plausible deniability.. MedusaX May 2017 #6
I agree with your last sentence malaise May 2017 #7
Yes! Thank you for that, MedusaX! countryjake May 2017 #10
Great synopsis Horse with no Name May 2017 #11
We've been pointing that out to our tv all morning... countryjake May 2017 #8
Bullshit is the right word malaise May 2017 #9
Can't wait til she testifies! countryjake May 2017 #13
What a mess malaise May 2017 #15
Yes, Ms Sally Yates is my new hero. She delivered! n/t countryjake May 2017 #24
She was great malaise May 2017 #25
It was a thing of beauty! countryjake May 2017 #26
Yes indee malaise May 2017 #27
I've been saying all along that Pence should be the first to be impeached. Tatiana May 2017 #14
+1,000 malaise May 2017 #16
Pence knew back in Nov. because Rep. Cummings sent him a letter! dixiegrrrrl May 2017 #17
I think he knew before that malaise May 2017 #18
Highly likely. dixiegrrrrl May 2017 #20
I hope so malaise May 2017 #21
They're framing the narrative .99center May 2017 #22
They've already told us too many lies malaise May 2017 #23

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
1. what really bothered me was that the trump team requested the intel
Sat May 6, 2017, 02:58 PM
May 2017

from the CIA on the Russian ambassador....under the guise that they wanted to know about "who he was". Who is to say that that intel wasn't given to the operative by the trump transition team?

JHan

(10,173 posts)
4. Apparently the request came not from main members of the Trump transition team..
Sat May 6, 2017, 03:47 PM
May 2017

but those with national security experience (and lesser known)

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
6. My take on this is that the leaks will eliminate all attempts to claim plausible deniability..
Sat May 6, 2017, 03:55 PM
May 2017

The Kislyak profile was requested by a Transition Team member that was not part of the inner Trump circle....
And did so in an attempt to discourage Flynn & Trump from engaging with Kislyak/Russia

This guy left the Transition Team before inauguration....
but when bigger "russia" shoes started to drop recently, he was all of the sudden nominated for a high level Treasury Dept job...
Probably to try & keep him quiet


Regardless, his actions establish the third known layer of Flynn related Warnings...
This guy reached out to the appropriate Obama staff...
who clearly had to share the purpose of the request with the CIA in order to get the profile

He also warned Flynn directly about Kislyak /Putin & communication surveillance potential....& Kompromat risk...and
Made other members of the Transition team aware as well...

Then Sally Yates warned McGahn & anyone else in the room at the time

And Elijah C warned pence in writing...


Any of these alone could be argued as isolated ... not sufficiently disseminated to specific people...

But together they show multiple warnings from a variety of unrelated sources, who each shared their concerns with a variety of Trump Team members and did so over a period of time ....
which also establishes that warnings were ignored and continued acts by Flynn/Trump Team were taking place ..


Which leads to the (obvious) point that everyone knew and apparently it was supported / encouraged without reservation ....




countryjake

(8,554 posts)
10. Yes! Thank you for that, MedusaX!
Sat May 6, 2017, 04:13 PM
May 2017
"But together they show multiple warnings from a variety of unrelated sources, who each shared their concerns with a variety of Trump Team members and did so over a period of time ....
which also establishes that warnings were ignored and continued acts by Flynn/Trump Team were taking place ..


Which leads to the (obvious) point that everyone knew and apparently it was supported / encouraged without reservation ...."

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
8. We've been pointing that out to our tv all morning...
Sat May 6, 2017, 04:08 PM
May 2017

Unless Pence is so incredibly idiotic and unaware (or, he has been deliberately excluded by others in the cabal to ensure he'll not fall when the rest of the asshats are brought down), there is no way that Flynn "lied" to him (which is supposedly why Flynn was fired by Trump). He knew.

About three hours ago, cable news began digging up "in-the-know" pundits who are now saying that it was a very small group on the transition team who raised questions about Flynn.

I call bullshit!

He knew.

malaise

(268,997 posts)
9. Bullshit is the right word
Sat May 6, 2017, 04:12 PM
May 2017

although 'effries could also work.
Looks like they're terrified of Sally.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
13. Can't wait til she testifies!
Sat May 6, 2017, 06:27 PM
May 2017

Here is when Pence replaced Christie as the head of Trump's transition team...

November 11, 2016

Chris Christie dropped as head of Trump's White House transition team
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/11/chris-christie-dropped-trump-transition-team



And here is when Rep. Elijah Cummings wrote his letter to Pence with concerns about Mike Flynn...

November 18, 2016

Cummings Requests Documents Relating to Michael Flynn’s Apparent Conflicts of Interest
https://democrats-oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/cummings-requests-documents-relating-to-michael-flynn-s-apparent-conflicts-of




Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
14. I've been saying all along that Pence should be the first to be impeached.
Sat May 6, 2017, 06:33 PM
May 2017

He knew. Trump knew. All the senior members of the Trump transition team knew. And they didn't give 2 $hits because they don't care about anyone but themselves.

Impeach and convict Pence when we secure the majority in 2018. Isolate Trump and refuse to confirm a new VP. Torture him and his cabal the way he has tortured us. Pass legislative measures to financially ruin him and his cohorts if we have the votes.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
17. Pence knew back in Nov. because Rep. Cummings sent him a letter!
Sat May 6, 2017, 08:31 PM
May 2017

The letter should be on the House Oversight Committee website in pdf form, I just now downloaded a copy.

Congressman Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, publicly posted a letter AND sent it directly to Pence's office, reporting that Flynn was dirty.


So now Pence gets to explain what he did/did not do and why.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
20. Highly likely.
Sat May 6, 2017, 09:12 PM
May 2017

Cumming's letter is concrete proof he KNEW, and hopefully enough to squish him.
Legally speaking.....

.99center

(1,237 posts)
22. They're framing the narrative
Sat May 6, 2017, 09:48 PM
May 2017

Wouldn't it of been in Americas interest to let Flynn go and allow our intelligence agencies to continue on monitoring Flynn unnoticed. They're successfully spinning the news of the Trump team warning Flynn, who then possibly warned Putin, that US agencies were investigation collusion and tapping the calls. Why the hell would an incoming president warn a possible FSB mole that he's being monitored! Our congressional investigations our compromised, the FBI is being lead by a partisan hack, and we have may still have other foreign agents in our WH. It's unbelievable that we don't have an independent investigation by now!

malaise

(268,997 posts)
23. They've already told us too many lies
Sun May 7, 2017, 07:32 AM
May 2017

Never forget the Con's response after firing this 'wonderful man'.

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