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Sat May 6, 2017, 03:30 PM

Sanders: 'Trump is right' on Australian healthcare system

"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Saturday that President Trump "is right" to praise Australia's healthcare system compared to the United States.

"President Trump is right," Sanders tweeted. "The Australian health care system provides health care to all of its people at a fraction of the cost than we do."

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/332223-sanders-trump-is-right-on-australian-healthcare-system

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 03:34 PM

1. Bernie should have said that Trump clearly doesn't

 

Understand the Aussie system, because it's efficient and humane, the exact opposite of what the Orange Turd is trying to do in the US.

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 03:40 PM

2. I heard that whole exchange. Cherry picking that piece of it here seems problematic, given that he

 


was mostly kicking Trump for going the opposite way with this GOP legislation.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #2)

Sat May 6, 2017, 04:40 PM

6. Ya, not what he said but that won't stop the Bernie bashers

From seizing on this misinterpretation

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 03:43 PM

3. Hope that gets a few more people to look into the care most advanced nations provide

That could blow a few closed minds.

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 03:50 PM

4. Looks like he didn't get very far with that army.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #4)

Sat May 6, 2017, 06:20 PM

13. You mean the effort to mobilize constituents to contact their senators?

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #13)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:37 PM

68. Yes. Didn't get very far did it. nt

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #68)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:20 PM

94. The senate hasn't done anything yet so we don't really know...

...you'll have to hold in your Bernie-hate a while longer, I'm afraid.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #94)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:30 PM

95. Exactly. Bernie said on Thursday Republicans celebrated voting to let people die.






When it comes to opposing Trump's agenda we need every voice and as usual Senator Sanders isn't holding anything back.

Go, Bernie go!

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #94)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:30 PM

96. We know. Schumer got out there on Thursday with the Democratic message:



If Democrats manage to save ACA from the wrecking ball it won't be by thanking Trump.*


*Broadcast on Thursday:



"Thank you Mr. President. Let us move toward a Medicare for all system"

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #13)

Sun May 7, 2017, 12:42 AM

107. What exactly is he doing? The article doesn't say.

Constituents are already mobilized and have been contacting their Senators and Representatives through the Resistance and Indivisible and the numerous Pantsuit nations groups.

I'm not clear on what Senator Sanders is doing beyond that, or why it's supposedly his army or his effort, when he had nothing to do with it. That link has been shared here but neither it, or anyone posting it seems to have any answers about how he's supposedly mobilizing this army or why he needed to do anything at all, since said soldiers didn't require his direction or his sudden interest in leading them.

It's great that he's joining everyone else in condemning Trumpcare, but I'm not sure why some here feel the need to pretend that he's deserves extra hard cheering and somersaults for being one of the crowd, and not even at the leading edge of constituent organized, constituent action that's been in force, mobilized and deployed for months now.

The Democrats and their independent allies are doing the job, they are answering the call of the mobilized citizens who didn't need orders and who should get the credit for their hard and consistent work.

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 04:31 PM

5. Oh f*&king dear.

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 04:49 PM

7. The Republicans went eight years without saying a single nice thing about President Obama,

without once saying he was right about anything. And here we have a respected "progressive" leader who can't stop praising Trump. I don't care if it's agreement with something Trump didn't really mean to say or a point Trump didn't realize he was making; praise is praise, and agreement is agreement. A politician needs to be careful with his words.

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Response to athena (Reply #7)

Sat May 6, 2017, 06:04 PM

9. Oh for goodness sake!

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Response to KPN (Reply #9)

Sat May 6, 2017, 06:41 PM

15. It's performance art.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #15)

Sat May 6, 2017, 08:22 PM

37. Exactly.

This place has become a parody of ... something, at this point.

Fortunately for me I decided to stop taking it very seriously, a while back.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #15)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:38 AM

119. I don't get how this is even an issue...

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Response to Jno_Gilmor_ (Reply #119)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:44 AM

123. Here's how for starters:



I would venture to say that this isn't helpful.


.................
Source:

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #123)

Sun May 7, 2017, 12:03 PM

167. Bernie is right but the Trump voters will only see

him saying Donald is "right" and won't know what the Australian system is.

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Response to treestar (Reply #167)

Mon May 8, 2017, 04:07 AM

205. Not just Trump voters, everyone, including Dem Senators

If Sanders is the designated outreach guy and this is his message, it's not going to help whip up opposition to killing the ACA, which he rarely even mentions.

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Response to athena (Reply #7)

Sat May 6, 2017, 06:46 PM

17. BS normalizing trump again.. he can't stop.

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Response to Cha (Reply #17)

Sat May 6, 2017, 06:48 PM

18. LOL!

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #18)

Sat May 6, 2017, 07:04 PM

22. If only Dr. Pavlov had had DU,

he wouldn't have had to torment all those poor dogs.

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Response to QC (Reply #22)

Sat May 6, 2017, 07:07 PM

23. *snort*




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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #23)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:53 PM

78. Nothing here is funny.

People are gong to die because of Trump's mass murder plan.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #78)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:56 PM

79. Right, and some around these parts find that a joking matter.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #78)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:59 PM

81. You're right. Internet 'outrage' about quotes taken out of context isn't funny.

It's hilarious.







Seriously.

No one on the left is laughing at people dying from lack of health care. What we're laughing at is the predictable internet overreaction to Bernie using Trump's words against him. It was only a matter of time before some yahoo at the Hill decided to cherry pick his quote and use it for click bait.

Bernie is on record repeatedly stating that people will die if this bill is passed so I'm not too worried about anyone misunderstanding his meaning.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #81)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:05 PM

84. Something that often comes to mind lately...

 

Last edited Sun May 7, 2017, 09:22 AM - Edit history (1)

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #84)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:08 PM

86. LOLOLOL! Perfect!

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #81)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:12 PM

89. I can't even keep track of how many quotes of his are supposedly taken out of context.

They happen continually. If that is the case, then he needs to start exerting better message discipline so as not to be taken out of context.

I just wish we saw a fraction of the concern for the targets of the Trumpcare mass murder plot that we do for ensuring a politician never be criticized.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #89)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:15 PM

92. Oh my goodness yes. It's all Very Concerning.

I find myself having to ration my outrage these days and the Hill taking a quote out of context just to get the internet all riled up doesn't even register on my Outrage-o-meter.

When Trump is out of office I may have to recalibrate it but for now it's fine where it is.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #92)

Sat May 6, 2017, 11:11 PM

100. It happens multiple times a month

Which tells me he's not effectively communicating.

Just to be clear, this is what you responded to:
I just wish we saw a fraction of the concern for the targets of the Trumpcare mass murder plot that we do for ensuring a politician never be criticized.


I didn't suggest you should be concerned about the Hill, but clearly your involvement in this thread demonstrates that you are. What I said is I wish we could see some of that concern for the millions who Trump is working to deprive of healthcare. THAT is what you mocked.

By all means. Save your concern for what you really care about. I know better than to expect anything else.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #100)

Sat May 6, 2017, 11:14 PM

101. Actually this is what I responded to:

I can't even keep track of how many quotes of his are supposedly taken out of context.

They happen continually. If that is the case, then he needs to start exerting better message discipline so as not to be taken out of context.


Like I said, I'll save my outrage for things that actually deserve that emotion. For instance I had a meltdown over the vote and celebration on Thursday because to me that was morally reprehensible.

Fortunately click bait headlines from the Hill designed to get people all worked up over a nothing-burger don't bother me in the least. I usually try not to let them exploit me like that since that's exactly the reaction they're looking for. I prefer to mock them instead and yes, you can expect more of that whenever I feel like mockery is deserved.

So thanks anyway but my concern is exactly where it should be. I don't need to adjust my focus at all or waste my outrage on leaders like Bernie who are busy fighting our enemies:




Your concern over my concern is always appreciated though.



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #101)

Sun May 7, 2017, 12:34 AM

105. !

 




(Some people would be positively beside themselves if they couldn't gin up a good outrage-gasm on a regular basis, eh? )

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #105)

Sun May 7, 2017, 12:36 AM

106. Ha!

Quite right - although everyone needs a hobby.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #101)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:58 AM

145. That you chose to ignore the quesiton about healthcare

to focus on what clearly does concern you speaks volumes. Obviously you are outraged. One doesn't post multiple posts in a thread out of an absence of concern.

The Hill reported the tweet, but it was not taken out of context since it was a single sentence. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9026048 ( I mistakenly decided to give you and others the benefit of the doubt on that. I should have known better.)

Your outrage is reserved for citizens who fail to defer to authority. Citizen impertinence is what motivates your outrage.

I've never seen you post about healthcare or any other issue, except of course for your issues with those who don't share your particular religious beliefs. I suppose that might be considered an issue of sorts. But aside from than that, you appear most concerned that someone, somewhere might not be exhibiting proper deference toward Bernie.

I never doubted Bernie's concern about healthcare. That wasn't the question I posed to you, and using him to deflect from your own mocking of my concerns about the subject rather than the Hill or the tweet is far from convincing. Your responses are your own. They are entirely a function of your values, which you make abundantly clear at every opportunity.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #145)

Sun May 7, 2017, 06:10 AM

147. Yes yes, I know - this is an OUTRAGE! I'm supposed to be ANGRY! About...something or other.

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But for some reason all I can picture in my mind now is this cat:






It's obvious that a few people didn't bother to watch the video, if they had they'd know Bernie was mocking Trump. It was actually a very effective ad, I've watched it several times. And of course as we all know news anchors, pundits, comedians, pretty much everyone who's not a Republican is laughing their ass off at Trump over his mistake. And some are even using the opportunity to make fun of the Orange Shit Gibbon - like Bernie did in that video.

But some people are Very Upset because they think this mockery is praise.



This just gets more and more hilarious.


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Response to BainsBane (Reply #145)

Sun May 7, 2017, 06:29 AM

149. Hey there, welcome to DU, BainsBane!

It's really a wonderful community when we're all united to bring down the rethugs!

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Response to countryjake (Reply #149)

Sun May 7, 2017, 06:43 AM

151. #unity!

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #89)

Sun May 7, 2017, 01:35 AM

109. It's the "OPTICS". "Sanders: trump is right"..

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Response to Cha (Reply #109)

Sun May 7, 2017, 02:31 AM

110. Seriously. Suddenly optics aren't a concern at all

I can't imagine why.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #110)

Sun May 7, 2017, 02:37 AM

111. President Obama is giving a speech @ Cantor-Fitzgerald

in September at their Annual Health Conference.. but it's the "OPTICS".

they don't get a pass on their Hypocrisy.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #110)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:49 AM

126. FYI-BS' tweet: "President Trump is right"



Yeah, "optics".. normalizing.

ucrdem

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Response to Cha (Reply #126)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:13 AM

131. What context am I supposedly missing?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #131)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:28 AM

135. Exactly.. the take away from the BS vid is trump with a big shit eating grin on his ugly face..


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Response to Cha (Reply #135)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:35 AM

139. The video doesn't play

I should probably be grateful for that. I feel nauseous as it is.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #139)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:38 AM

141. Bains the video is in the tweet:


Source (remove space): https: //twitter.com/SenSanders/status/860901737829470208

Give the video start button a few seconds to show up.

The screenshot is from about 12 seconds in:

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #141)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:59 AM

146. Why are there even videos?

Fuck it. I don't care.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #139)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:50 AM

142. I had to use Google Chrome to see

it. I wasn't going to watch it for your very reason.. but I wanted to see the screenshot for myself. I couldn't believe it!?

The background music was so irritating I didn't finish it.. the screenshot is about 12 seconds in.

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Response to Cha (Reply #109)

Sun May 7, 2017, 08:46 AM

161. Yes, I agree. Instead of criticizing him for his evil health plan he starts out by saying

"Trump is right". No. He is not. He is never on the right side of anything and to normalize him is criminal.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #89)

Sun May 7, 2017, 06:52 AM

153. The can't seem to grasp it.

 

They are blinded by Bernie. Seems they have never seen the hit piece ads the wingers run, time and time again.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #81)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:39 AM

120. +1,000,000

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #78)

Sun May 7, 2017, 06:49 PM

195. When they've got no argument, it's all they can do.

lololololol!

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Response to QC (Reply #22)

Sat May 6, 2017, 07:52 PM

34. Ha! Lol.

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Response to QC (Reply #22)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:16 PM

52. LOL@look who's talking.

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Response to Cha (Reply #52)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:19 PM

53. .

 



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Response to opiate69 (Reply #53)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:21 PM

54. No you don't.

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Response to Cha (Reply #54)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:13 PM

91. Is There An Age Requirement For DU?

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Response to Me. (Reply #91)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:33 PM

97. lol.. Thank you, Me!

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #53)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:27 PM

56. Profound

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #56)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:28 PM

57. yeah...

 

considering it's the essence of the post to which I was replying, I concur.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #57)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:29 PM

58. Indeed.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #58)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:32 PM

63. Tandem



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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #63)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:40 PM

71. Uh-huh... wait, are you the person I was originally replying to?

 

Oh, no... that's right. You're not.



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Response to opiate69 (Reply #71)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:43 PM

73. ...



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #73)

Sun May 7, 2017, 07:33 PM

197. !

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #57)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:31 PM

61. ...

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #61)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:33 PM

64. ...

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #53)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:34 PM

65. Well done!


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #65)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:42 PM

72. I'm just so glad my kids grew out of that phase...

 

sometime around the end of elementary school, if I recall correctly.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #72)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:45 PM

74. My little brother finally grew out of it when he hit junior high.

He was still really annoying but we didn't miss that phase at all.


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Sat May 6, 2017, 07:31 PM

28. All you have are insults.

So you go for the mean, vicious personal attacks. "..pro trump..".. you're nothing new.

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Response to Cha (Reply #17)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:37 PM

67. Yes, exactly.

Mindful of the DU policy on Sanders I'll leave it at that.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #67)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:39 PM

69. It's the sound byte..

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Response to Cha (Reply #69)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:50 PM

77. Birds of a feather

are we.

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Response to Cha (Reply #69)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:09 PM

87. Right.. all of a sudden "context" matters.

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Response to Cha (Reply #17)

Sun May 7, 2017, 12:08 PM

170. Are we really doing anything of value here?

Things seem to be really going off track here with all the petty silliness.

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 04:54 PM

8. His interview on Chris Hayes' show, Thursday...



bites Trump right in the ass!

"Thank you, Mr. President. We'll quote you on the floor of the Senate." ~ Senator Sanders

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Response to countryjake (Reply #8)

Sat May 6, 2017, 07:19 PM

25. That was a thing of beauty!

Cracked me up...

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Response to countryjake (Reply #8)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:15 PM

50. He looks genuinely happy and he says "thank you Mr. President" twice.



He also mentions Medicare for All, the plan he prefers to the ACA. He doesn't seem very troubled by the vote on Thursday.

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Response to countryjake (Reply #8)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:45 PM

75. IF any one from the Democratic party is on the Sunday shows tomorrow

they should repeat this and explain why shitstain was correct.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #75)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:58 PM

99. All of the network's nightly news repeated Trump's gaffe ...

and even went on to actually explain how good a system of healthcare Australians have.

CNN has been playing that doofus' comment to PM Malcolm Turnbull for three days now, with various other Democratic representatives responding after watching the clip and displaying much the same response as Senator Sanders gave ...

We must never let Trump forget what he said last Thursday.

Senator Feinstein is going to be on Meet The Press, so that should be good, and Sen Manchin will be on Face The Nation.


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Response to countryjake (Reply #8)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:43 PM

98. That was masterful, wasn't it? Thanks for posting it again.

Bernie showed how truly clueless Trump is about health care.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #98)

Sat May 6, 2017, 11:41 PM

102. Yup. The media is having a field day with Trump's comment ...

But Bernie's response has been by far the best, he really laid into Trump and the republicans in that Chris Hayes interview on Thursday.

CBS news went into an in-depth explanation of Australian Health Care, after they showed the clip of him sitting there with PM Turnbull.

And on CNN, they had some clueless rethug listen to Trump, and he immediately began in on how Americans could never live with an Australian-type system, then when he was asked why Americans wouldn't prefer free medical services, he blurted, "TAXES!! EXORBITANT TAXES!!". So she pointed out to him that Australians are taxed at a rate of only around 2% of their income in order to have free healthcare...guy had no answer to that. I half expected him to begin in on socialism but his mouth fell open and nothing came out, ha!

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Response to countryjake (Reply #102)

Sat May 6, 2017, 11:45 PM

103. You're exactly right - the media is having a field day with Trump's faux pas.

Bernie really nailed him and the pundits loved every minute of it - that video is everywhere.

Seems like everyone is having a laugh at Trump's expense. Except Trump and the deplorables.

And boy do we all need a reason to laugh these days.

Good to see you round these parts.


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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 06:05 PM

10. Did you even read the whole article? Did you hear his interview with Chris Hayes?

Bernie rocks!

Warren/Sanders 2020 or vice versa

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 06:11 PM

11. This is how you make a point.

Discredit Trump with his own words.

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Response to surrealAmerican (Reply #11)

Sat May 6, 2017, 06:49 PM

19. This is how you give Trump supporters the impression that he is bipartisan

and that some on the left agree with his views on health care.

I'm sorry, but no Trump supporter is going to understand what Bernie meant. Bernie should have been more careful with his words.

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Response to athena (Reply #19)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:22 AM

114. wtf? WTF? how on earth did you come to that conclusion? Trump lauds something, presumably

 


because he doesn't understand it at all, that government run Australian healthcare is better than our system, Sanders rubs it in his face by basically saying, ironically dumbass got that right, but that HE IS MOVING IN THE ABSOLUTELY OPPOSITE DIRECTION WITH THIS LEGISLATION. What fuck is wrong with people on these boards. Maybe not everybody is going to understand, but you shouldn't be the one spinning it, and honestly even Trump voters aren't that daft that they would turn this into Sanders supporting Trump's view of healthcare in any way.

And why would that make Trump supporters happy anyway? Like they give a fuck about bipartisanship.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #114)

Sun May 7, 2017, 01:31 PM

177. +1000

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Response to athena (Reply #19)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:54 AM

143. BS' Tweet on "Trump is Right"..





That screenshot of trump is 12 seconds in to the vid the BS fans made.

Thank you for standing up against this, Athena

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 06:15 PM

12. if Sanders said "I Love Republicans making statements that prove themselves wrong"

BERNIE SAID "I LOVE REPUBLICANS" ZOMG O NO!!!

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #12)

Sat May 6, 2017, 06:34 PM

14. (stealing gif from pinkocommiewingnutbrobottroll)



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Response to countryjake (Reply #14)

Sat May 6, 2017, 08:17 PM

35. That's mister pinkocommiewingnutbrobottroll to you!

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #12)

Sat May 6, 2017, 06:52 PM

21. Everybody run around and scream!

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #12)

Sat May 6, 2017, 07:15 PM

24. Zoinks!!

 



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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #12)

Sat May 6, 2017, 07:32 PM

29. But he KNOWS they will do this and should be more artful about it....

 

trump would be right if he actually pushed for the policies like Australia, trump has no plans to follow the "better" Australian policy. Trump is NOT right because he has NO policy. It's not that hard. Jeeze.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #29)

Sat May 6, 2017, 08:17 PM

36. I thought Bernie nailed it, actually.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #36)

Sat May 6, 2017, 08:24 PM

38. No "president Trump is right" is not true. He accidentally praised another nation's policies...

 

While trying to flatter their leader. This doesn't make him right or anything but a moron- because it's got nothing to do with health care policies he or the GOP are promoting.
He's not saying or doing anything that should be praised. And some idiots will think this is praise. They'll quote this till the cows came home, they've done it before. Sanders should know better.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #38)

Sat May 6, 2017, 08:44 PM

39. Come on. You're better than this.

The only people trying to shoehorn this clip into that particular ridiculous interpretation are the folks here with a perpetual Sanders-hate on. No one else is on that page.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #39)

Sat May 6, 2017, 08:54 PM

41. Everyone will shorten that clip, it's what they do. While you and I know what he was

 

Saying, you're overestimating the willingness of most people to read past the headline. Shitty headlines are shitty no matter the intent. He should know this by now/ it's not the first time the press has used his words to stir discord.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #41)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:01 PM

44. I'm pretty sure the only "discord" of that type around this clip, will be here on DU.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #44)

Sun May 7, 2017, 12:08 AM

104. I wish. My friends are talking about it. And I didn't bring it up. Effing DT

 

Groan.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #41)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:12 PM

90. Precisely and it is a "shitty headline".

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #29)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:57 AM

144. BS Tweet on "trump is right"..





The screenshot of trump with the big shit eating grin on his face is about 12 seconds in to the little vid the BS fans made.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #29)

Sun May 7, 2017, 06:51 PM

196. It isn't that hard. But Bernie can do no wrong n/t

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Response to kcr (Reply #196)

Wed May 10, 2017, 03:29 AM

212. But, that's not reality based.

kcr

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 07:27 PM

27. Oy, the sound bites.... he's gotta know this quote would happen. Ugh.

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #27)

Sat May 6, 2017, 07:32 PM

30. Yes.. he can't help himself.

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Response to Cha (Reply #30)

Sat May 6, 2017, 07:40 PM

33. He probably thinks all his fans are perfect progressives and "get" how snark....

 

But lots of "on the fence" people bought his spiel about everyone being establishment and everyone being corrupt. Dumb asses thought voting doesn't matter, same idiots are going to think "trump is right about healthcare"

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #27)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:13 AM

112. come on...did you hear it in context? ANY fucking thing can be taken out of context. nt

 

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Response to JCanete (Reply #112)

Sun May 7, 2017, 11:53 AM

164. Noun-verb- noun is pretty much all they want for a headline. We can't call it fake news.'

 

I'm sorry he's getting trolled by reporters for controversial sound bites, but it's not like this shit hasn't happened before.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #164)

Sun May 7, 2017, 12:01 PM

166. reporters are spinning it more because it is pissing some of us in the Democratic base. WE should be

 

smarter than this shit.

And when the media is that blatant, it is the site that should be mocked mercilessly, not the man who's words were taken out of context OBVIOUSLY. That makes them liars. It really does. Just because they headlined with something he said, doesn't mean they don't have to take responsibility for mischaracterizing what he was saying. We have a ridiculously low bar for the media.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #166)

Sun May 7, 2017, 12:06 PM

169. No- they are repeating a full sentence he tweeted. Why wouldn't they? It sounds controversial...

 

i hope he wises up. This is not helping.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #169)

Sun May 7, 2017, 12:08 PM

171. when the media is that blatant,

 

it is the site that should be mocked mercilessly, not the man who's words were taken out of context OBVIOUSLY. That makes them liars. It really does. Just because they headlined with something he said, doesn't mean they don't have to take responsibility for mischaracterizing what he was saying. We have a ridiculously low bar for the media.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #171)

Sun May 7, 2017, 12:17 PM

172. The media has always even that blatant. This is no surprise at all. It really makes me wonder.

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #172)

Sun May 7, 2017, 01:11 PM

175. It isn't a surprise...its sad that we let it be this way. nt

 

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Response to JCanete (Reply #175)

Sun May 7, 2017, 01:29 PM

176. It makes it harder to fight the idea of fake news - when we employ full sentences of snark....

 

muddies the waters. Most people don't read beyond headlines- we already know that.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #176)

Sun May 7, 2017, 01:51 PM

181. I refuse to accept that there arent different ways to attack these issues and that snark and making

 

Trump a clown isn't one of them. I feel like this is going way too far, and I think that if the source were different you might think so too.

He is literally using Trump's own words against him here.

But again, this is fake news. Why not tackle it as such?

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Response to JCanete (Reply #181)

Sun May 7, 2017, 01:59 PM

182. I don't think it's fake as much as it will be used to promote Trump...

 

i fully expect to see this quote exploited for Trumps gain. i just think it was not a smart move at all.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #182)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:03 PM

184. I don't know what's not fake about pretending something was meant that wasn't. That is a lie,

 

outright. If the media is using it to sell something that isn't true, how is that so easily dismissed as..."well clickbait will be clickbait". It's our fucking media lying.

that said, I don't know who you think is going to be convinced suddenly to like trump because of this or trust in trump, because either people already hate him or they love him. People have kind of made up their minds on this one. If the same people like Bernie, then Bernie's own opinion of the man has had no effect on them to date, so I don't see how this would be different.

Conversely anybody who doesn't like Trump but likes Sanders, is probably likely to be surprised by the article, so maybe they'll read to get the context, or better, just watch the video.

the only people this is fucking with is democrats who have a problem with Sanders, and Democrats should know better.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #184)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:12 PM

185. I think a lot of people (including the media) cannot face how bad Trump is-

 

And they use every opportunity they can take to normalize him. Like the past two weeks talking about "his policies" that don't actually exist and "what he's learned" while there's no evidence of that, either. These are uncharted waters and we should think twice about giving him ANY credit at all. Like it or not, we've known how these sound bites get exploited. Someone who's been a politician for thirty years should know better. At best it was inartful.

I wonder if he thinks he's getting Trump folks to listen to him by flattering something he said- if this is the "outreach" at work. I don't think it's a great idea, but I'm running out of rationalizations for these sound bites.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #185)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:19 PM

187. Regarding Sanders statement, we simply disagree then. Regarding the media, yes there is an

 

effort by corporate media to try to normalize the person who is going to deregulate them and give their shareholders huge tax cuts. They will find the sound-bytes and they will lie, but don't say it isn't lying and it isn't fake. It is. Its fucking as fake as it comes.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #187)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:27 PM

188. I don't think it's fake as much as it is a distraction from what congress is doing....

 

Headlines are edited and the media will exploit the divisiveness that does exist on the left. Why give them ammo? Why do it so often- for clicks? I'm over it.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #188)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:28 PM

189. sorry to belabor, but again, why is lying not fake? "Technically not lying" is still lying if

 

the point is to deceive.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #189)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:52 PM

192. It's not a lie to say he claimed "Trump is right". Quoting Him isn't quite lying...

 

There's a ton of headlines out there that are totally deceptive. That's why words should be more carefully chosen.

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 07:37 PM

31. Bernie's quick riff is A-OK and fine in context....

He was just jumping on 45's lack of knowledge. I said the same thing out loud when I heard the remark.

On edit: Bernie was NOT normalizing anyone. Viewing the video in context, any thinking person would jump on 45's clueless dumb-assery and say, "Like a broken clock, he got that right; he doesn't know how correct he is right there."

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Response to VOX (Reply #31)

Sat May 6, 2017, 07:38 PM

32. Only if one bothers to understand the context.

Most people won't.

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Response to athena (Reply #32)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:09 PM

49. Even if they don't, isn't it true that Australia has better healthcare than the U.S.?

I mean, really now. I'm hardly a "Bernie or buster" (I voted for Hillary in the primary and the general election), but in no way does pouncing on a line by clueless #45 that by luck, happened to be correct. In no way imaginable does that "normalize" the freak that sits in the White House maybe 4 days per week.

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 08:48 PM

40. ...

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #40)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:01 PM

43. !!!

 

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #43)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:03 PM

45. And who could forget

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #45)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:06 PM

47. Long live the Hoff!

 

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #45)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:06 PM

48. The Hoff!

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #40)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:04 PM

46. MMMMMMM...

...tastes like chicken!

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:15 PM

51. Since everyone says the media keeps taking him out of context

He needs to quit giving them material to do so. He's been in DC for over three decades and is on television constantly. He needs to exert better control over what he says, unless his goal is to continue to communicate praise for Trump and contempt for he Democratic party. Someone who has built a career around the media should be able to exert message discipline.

I myself can't begin to imagine how the phrase "Trump is right" could pass through anyone's lips the day after he deprived millions of people of healthcare. Most Democrats would never dream of saying such a thing precisely because the Trumpcare policy designed to allow Americans to die from illness is evil--Absolute unmitigated evil. It is nothing less than premeditated mass murder.

Trump is a fascist and a sociopath. He isn't right about healthcare or his hard-on to bomb North Korea. He is evil. That is the only thing anyone with a conscience should say about him.







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Response to BainsBane (Reply #51)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:25 PM

55. Exactly Bains.. Thank You!

"On tv constantly".. ain't that the truth. Constantly....

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #51)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:29 PM

59. Your last paragraph.



Trump is a fascist and a sociopath. He isn't right about healthcare or his hardon to bomb North Korea. He is evil. That is the only thing anyone with a conscience should say about him.


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Response to BainsBane (Reply #51)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:30 PM

60. I don't know if cutting him with his own words...

... is necessarily where he needs to be careful not to make slip-ups.

I got it immediately.

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Response to moriah (Reply #60)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:36 PM

66. How does praising him help?

It certainly doesn't help the people who will die if Trump's mass murder plot gets through the senate.

Trump had an opportunity to implement an Australian type plan. He chose to promote massive deaths instead.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #66)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:40 PM

70. If you consider it praise... I didn't read it that way.

But there IS an issue with text and conveying emotion/connotations of words.

For example, in Colbert's rant, he mentioned Trump saying people cried when they saw him in the Oval Office. His "I'd cry too" was clearly, from vocal inflection and context, snark.

So maybe he *does* need to keep snark out of tweets, which is how I read what was said.

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Response to moriah (Reply #70)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:48 PM

76. I'm not interested in excuses

These kinds of statements from Bernie continually appear in the press. If the press is constantly misrepresenting what he says, he needs to exercise better message discipline so as to not be taken out of context. If, on the other hand, he is successfully communicating what he means, then the problem is far more serious.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #51)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:06 PM

85. I wonder if he'll ever call trump "distasteful" or "weak and disappointing"?

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Response to George II (Reply #85)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:19 PM

93. You know, I can't claim to know what he says

Because I don't watch him anymore. I do, however, read what the press writes. If he truly is being so completely misrepresented, he needs to exert greater control over what he says. That is a basic skill necessary for anyone in public office, let alone someone who spends as much time on broadcast media as Sanders.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #51)

Sun May 7, 2017, 01:30 AM

108. Thank you, Bains

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #51)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:15 AM

113. in context BainsBane, it is bashing Trump for being a stopped clock and getting something right

 


and then going in the opposite direction. People just want to be outraged on these boards. What has happened to any effort toward intellectual integrity? This isn't just coming up short, this isn't trying.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #113)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:06 AM

130. Good question

I would like to see you address that toward those, like yourself, so convened about the optics of Obama's speech. I can only imagine the shit storm if Nancy Pelosi had made these comments. I don't see much intellectual integrity in determining everything one politician says or does is right, no matter what. I far more often see the absence of it, such as mocking posters concerned about Americans whose lives are put in jeopardy by Trump's repealing ACA. That goes far beyond concerns of intellectual integrity.

As I said in another post, I can't claim to know what Bernie says. Truth be told, I cannot stand to watch him. As a result, my principal exposure to him is through articles like these. The few times I have watched the video in question, I haven't seen evidence that quotes were taken out of context, but then I don't claim to have first hand knowledge of all of the statements that have let to this endless string of articles. Even assuming his supporters are right, that Bernie is continually misrepresented by the press, there is nonetheless a problem. He chooses to spend a great deal of time on national television. The media is eager to have him, likely because he is good for ratings. So if the media is out to get him, why does he continue to appear on their programming? If they so often misrepresent him, why does he cooperate with them? And why can't someone who makes his living speaking before the cameras figure out how to avoid making the kinds of statements that lead to these articles? If his defenders are right, he's not effectively communicating his message. Or perhaps he is communicating it as intended.
Either way, it's a problem for me. Now I understand that for many nothing involving Bernie can ever be a problem. I sadly have reconciled myself to the fact that I live in a political culture where great men are valued more than intellectual integrity, principles, or citizens. I have learned to expect nothing, but even so I periodically find myself startled-- not, in this case, by Bernie but by some responses in this thread.

I try to exercise intellectual integrity, but I have no doubt I regularly fail. We are blinded by our biases, and I can't pretend to be unbiased in regard to Bernie Sanders. That said, I became upset yesterday when I twice saw people insisting Devine's contracts with Yanukovich was supposed to suffice as evidence that Bernie colluded with the Kremlin. And of course they ignore the fact Podesta also had contracts there, no matter how many times that is pointed out. Bernie's reputation doesn't rank among my concerns, but intellectual integrity and the truth does. I think the eagerness to spread that sort of thing is the very same tendency that led Clinton haters to spread the Kremlin propaganda about her. It makes me despair for democracy, which is my same reaction to the absolute reverence for great men that grips our current political culture.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #130)

Sun May 7, 2017, 11:57 AM

165. I'll leave my response to the second part for another time. I appreciate you being thoughtful and

 

speaking honestly to your own challenges. I am sure I fail too, even while, like you, I try not to. There is a certain degree to which, when we put trust in someone, we will give them a little more rope --assume the best in that persons intentions and try to figure out what that person is thinking based upon those assumptions. and when the person is someone we do not like, there is a tendency to accept the least flattering spin possible, as fact. I think I'm less guilty of the latter(but who knows), and more "guilty" of the former, but if I can't square something, I try not to force a square peg into a round hole. I'm not a hero worshipper, and men and women are flawed, and rarely are they right on all of the issues. I do get that there's a tendency to push back when we think criticisms are levied unfairly, and that sometimes gets people to refuse to acknowledge their own discomforts with an action or platform or record, because they think that somehow gives some sort of victory to those who are being entirely unfair. But if that comes at the cost of us being unfair ourselves, then conversation has devolved to the point where its nothing but gotchas and jabs at the other side.

As for Sanders, you can see posts of me criticizing his decision to support Mello, and his use of "distasteful" when discussing Obama's speaking fees. I'm also capable of wishing (for the reasons I have laid out) that Obama hadn't taken those gigs, without going so far as to say he was outright wrong for doing so. There is a cost to doing so. That is all I want acknowledged, but people refuse to be nuanced at all. People want a simple narrative where there are heroes and villains(and no in-between) and the good guys always do the right thing and the bad guys NEVER do or say the right thing, and if the sun is out and sky is blue and a bad guy comes out and says it, you'd better believe you should be saying that's hogwash and that it's really black with pink polkadots, and that's no Sun, its a space station...

the question that these people should be asking themselves, is how does that make us look if we can't acknowledge the truth in front of us? What favors does it do us, and who are we convincing other than ourselves with that kind of bullshit? We should call it as we see it, and try not to let the bad blood color our vision.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #165)

Sun May 7, 2017, 06:03 PM

194. Your point about simple narratives is an important one

the Manichean world view dominates political discourse.

What truth are you referring to? That Trump said something factually correct about healthcare? I fail to see how that is relevant to anything. What matters is that he is celebrating a House vote designed to deprive millions of healthcare, which if successful will result in many deaths. It troubles me that the focus has been taken off that to the fact something accurate happened to slip from his lips.

As for the tweet and ensuing defense of it, I express my view on that here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9026173

In some ways, there is an unfair burden placed on Bernie because he is so incredibly influential. The fundamental problem lies, in my view, less in his words than in the effect they have on his supporters.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #130)

Sun May 7, 2017, 12:19 PM

173. +1, Bernie said "Trump is right" because what he meant was "Bernie is right"

It always comes back to Bernie being about Bernie. He has some obvious pseudo competition with Trump because he doesn't want Trump to get credit for something he feels he should be credited for. This was not something taken out of context.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #113)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:34 AM

138. Charles Manson is probably right about something on occasion too

Should politicians be tweeting about it? What purpose does it serve? I just saw the tweet in question now. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9026048
I don't see what context I'm supposed to be missing. It was one sentence. Why on the very day that Trump celebrates depriving millions of Americans of healthcare is it necessary to send out a tweet saying he is right about something related to healthcare? Trump had an opportunity to put forward a plan for an Australian-type healthcare proposal. He chose mass murder instead. THAT is the issue. That is what the focus should be. Not that he happened to say something factual. Why should that even matter? What possible relevance does it have to the horror Trump just inflicted on the nation?

Bernie clearly had a reason for tweeting what he did. That reason is what should concern you, not that some citizens have the audacity to ask why he felt compelled to do it. Bernie doesn't habitually send out tweets pronouncing people right or wrong about public statements, does he?

But yes, I understand that as a subject--since citizenship is now passe-- I have no right to question those in power. My role is to acquiesce, to exist in a permanent state of obsequiousness. Bernie is right. Trump is right. Trump voters are even more right. My speech, my concerns about sanguinity in the face of a policy of mass murder, that is unacceptable.

So tell me what intellectual integrity you think you are upholding here?

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Response to JCanete (Reply #113)

Sun May 7, 2017, 06:52 AM

152. Exactly. The context is the video - that's why it's INCLUDED in the tweet.

Bernie was showing how clueless Trump is about our health care system. He even included pictures of Trump grinning like a demented baboon for effect. I don't understand how anyone can possibly mistake this for praise - unless they take the tweet out of context by leaving out the content of the video - and even then that's a stretch.

Of all the ridiculous non-troversies lately this one is the most absurd.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #51)

Sun May 7, 2017, 07:05 AM

154. Is it the media taking him out of context? It looks like fanatical anti-Bernie people to me

The OP article, for instance, gives the full context about how Sanders said the Australian system provides better care, for everyone.

It's people who insist that you can't point out that Trump trashed his own party's (and his own) ideas when he said Australia is better who are trying to remove all context. Luckily, very few people listen to them.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #154)

Sun May 7, 2017, 07:27 AM

155. The context is the deaths that will result from ACHA

What Trump said about Australia is irrelevant. What matters is he just pushed through a bill that deprives millions of healthcare, sentencing them to death. Who the fuck even cares what the sociopath mutters on about? He chose to promote mass murder rather than an Australian type system. Why isn't that the focus?

How could it possible matter if people do or don't like Bernie? How can that possibly matter compared to the lives of citizens?






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Response to BainsBane (Reply #155)

Sun May 7, 2017, 07:39 AM

156. Then it seems to me you've joined the wrong thread

You made a comment about "the media" which you've just said is totally irrelevant. You shouldn't be making comments about the media, or about Sanders. Just about what is happening in Congress, or, I suppose, Trump's executive orders.

I'm glad to see you're saying you will never comment from now on about what Trump says. Is that a new thing, or have you always managed to never comment on what he says?

But Sanders is pointing out that what Trump said about Australia having a better system is true. We all agree with Sanders on that. He's pointing out that Trump is, once again, being hypocritical - saying one thing, and doing another. Many people think that pointing out your opponents' hypocrisy and inconsistency is worth doing. I think we are capable of doing both that and opposing the actions of Trump and the Republicans in general. You're saying you can't manage that; but I think you don't need to worry about other people doing it.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #156)

Sun May 7, 2017, 07:50 AM

157. Nailed it.

But Sanders is pointing out that what Trump said about Australia having a better system is true. We all agree with Sanders on that. He's pointing out that Trump is, once again, being hypocritical - saying one thing, and doing another. Many people think that pointing out your opponents' hypocrisy and inconsistency is worth doing. I think we are capable of doing both that and opposing the actions of Trump and the Republicans in general.





Not to mention Bernie has also been extremely critical of the bill that just passed the house. On Thursday he pointed out that the Republicans and Trump celebrated voting to allow people to die without insurance:

Bernie Sanders ✔ @SenSanders

Donald Trump and Republicans just celebrated voting to let thousands of Americans die so that billionaires get tax breaks. Think about that.

3:15 PM - 4 May 2017


It is possible to focus on more than one thing at a time: keeping the ACA and fighting for something better.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #156)

Sun May 7, 2017, 08:41 AM

160. That is because I took on face value the claim he was taken out of context.

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Of course I should have known better. It was extremely unwise to give them the benefit of the doubt. They make the claims several times a week, every time Bernie manages to get himself in the papers over something he's said. After reading the tweet, I know he wasn't taken out of context at all. NOR did the tweet didn't say anything about Trump's being hypocritical. That is a blatantly false claim. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9026048

I did not say I would never again comment on what Trump says. I fully intend to protest, denounce, and insult hm at every available opportunity because he is evil. No twisting of my words will dislodge me from that commitment.

What I said is his mutterings do not change the fact he is engaged in efforts to promote mass murder. Because people think it of crucial importance to ensure that Bernie's every word be treated as gospel, we now see them dedicated to ensuring everyone understand just how right Trump is. You have opted for another tactic, misrepresenting the tweet in pursuit of the same, all-important agenda: Bernie.

I've seen enough. You crossed a line in your claims about that tweet.






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Response to BainsBane (Reply #160)

Sun May 7, 2017, 09:49 AM

162. OK, we'll look at what the tweet says:

Tweet text: "President Trump is right. The Australian health care system provides health care to all of its people at a fraction of the cost than we do."

So, the tweet text points out that Australia provides health care to all of its people at a fraction of the cost in the USA. That is the main message, and the most important one. It's universal healthcare. And Trump and the Republicans are proposing chucking people off their insurance. So we see it is calling Trump out for his hypocrisy.

In the video that is part of the tweet, we have:

Sanders: "Maybe when we get to the the Senate, we should start off looking at the Australian health care system."

Caption: President Trump praised the Australian health care system.

Trump: "You have better health care than we do"

Caption: And President Trump is right. In Australia, everyone is guaranteed health care as a right, not a privilege. The country's universal health care program is even called Medicare. Their Medicare program covers public hospitals, medical services, and prescription drugs for everyone. And the government subsidizes elective surgeries that aren't cover by Medicare. While the U.S. has the most expensive & ineffective health care system in the world. Australia ranks 6 out of 55 in efficiency. The U.S. pays by far the highest prices for prescription drugs. Per capita spending on prescription drugs is $590 in Australia compared to $1,026 in the U.S. While no health care system is perfect, in 2015, Australia's per capita spending on health care was $4,420 compard to $9,451 in the U.S. And their health care outcomes are significantly better than ours. In 2014, the average life expectancy in Australia was 82.4 years, compared to 78.8 years in the U.S.

Trump: "You have better health care than we do"

Well, Mr. President, you're right.

So, it's a longer look, emphasising universal health care is best. That's what you want, so it's incredible that you are spending all this time attacking a message in favour of universal health care. It's as if you want to pretend that you don't know what the Republican health care bill contains, and you think that saying "universal health care is better" is somehow supporting what the Republicans want.

Your position is quite incredible. If someone had told me that some DUers would make dozens (over a hundred now?) of posts trying to take support for universal health care out of context, and then falsely blaming their own action on "the media", I wouldn't have believed it. But, here's this thread, desperately trying to tear down a good video and point of discussion, because they don't like that Bernie Sanders made the point, rather than, say, an Australian journalist expert in the area:
That’s why Stephanie March, the North America Correspondent for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, was surprised by Trump’s remark.
...
Trump's clarification does not make a whole lot of sense to March, though. She says the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, has more similarities to the Australian health care system than the GOP’s plan does.

“Under Obamacare, the Medicaid program here in the US expanded quite a lot,” says March. “What that program does is provide health care support for particularly low-income earners.”

But under the GOP bill, that support might disappear, making health care accessible to a smaller group of people.

“One of the things that this GOP bill does,” March says, “is that it will over time reduce federal subsidies for the Medicaid expansion."
...
“As somebody who has lived under both systems, I think Mr. Trump was right,” says March. “I do think we have better healthcare in Australia.’’

But, she argues, the GOP health care bill is more of a step back than a step forward.

http://kuow.org/post/trump-thinks-australia-has-better-health-care-us-hes-right

So, if you ask someone neutral but knowledgeable, and not tied up in refighting last year's primary, it's all obvious. Sanders is right. He's making good, even if obvious, points.

I hope that all of DU will finally learn that you shouldn't reject a good, simple message just because the messenger is someone you voted against in a previous primary. That's no way to persuade anyone. All you're doing is depressing people, by showing there are a few Democrats for whom making Sanders look bad is more important than a serious discussion about healthcare.

Take a breath. Drop the knee-jerk "Sanders is wrong" attitude. It just wastes your time. You could be constructive instead.

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:31 PM

62. A broken clock is right twice a day. Trump accidentally gets it right this time!

What a dipshit!!

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sat May 6, 2017, 09:59 PM

80. Amazing...

Trump: "The Earth is a sphere and orbits around the Sun"

Bernie: "Trump is right, the Earth is a sphere and orbits around the Sun."

Internet: "OMG *%^&$@"...

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Response to Snackshack (Reply #80)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:00 PM

82. Wrong.

It's internet: ZOMGWTFBBQ???


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #82)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:03 PM

83. Or, alternately....

 

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Response to Snackshack (Reply #80)

Sat May 6, 2017, 10:10 PM

88. Yep.. the soundbyte.. but all of a sudden context

matters.

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Response to Cha (Reply #88)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:24 AM

115. always has mattered to some of us. in what cases can you think of where it hasn't mattered to some?

 

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Response to JCanete (Reply #115)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:31 AM

117. It's a tweet. Here's the context:



From the "context" one would think that Trump is somehow emulating the Australians. Never mind what the Australian plan is or isn't, or what Bernie really meant, he appears to be straightforwardly praising Trump's ACA replacement.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #117)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:46 AM

124. Oh ffs.. he tweets it.. Damn the "OPTICS" are bad.



Thanks for that, ucr

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Response to Cha (Reply #124)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:49 AM

125. Bad and badder. I clicked the video and ...

saw this, about 12 seconds in:






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Source:

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #125)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:54 AM

127. Worse! the so-called president is Not "right" about a

gd thing unless he comes out and says he's a "perverted asshole that only got rigged in because of comey, the Russian hackers, the 3rd party LIARS, the M$M, and Voter Suppression".

Terrible "OPTICS"



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Response to Cha (Reply #127)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:58 AM

128. And not just a tweet, a whole show to drive home the point.



I'm guessing Senator Schumer is having some serious buyer's remorse about now. . .

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #128)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:22 AM

133. A big ol pic of trump w/"Trump is Right".. WTF?



I found that background music fucking annoying, too.

Way to try and Normalize trump, BS.

Mahalo, ucr

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Response to Cha (Reply #133)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:29 AM

136. Hard to miss the "context" when it's staring at you in 80-point letters. . .




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Source: https: //twitter.com/SenSanders/status/860901737829470208 (remove space):

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Response to JCanete (Reply #115)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:43 AM

122. When it was announced President Obama was going

to speak at Cantor-Fitzgerald in September at their Annual Health Conference and BS said it was "distasteful" and compared it to working for trump.

He knee jerked it without knowing the Context.

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Response to Cha (Reply #122)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:27 AM

134. he responded based upon what he knows and what we still know. The coziness with big money after our

 


politicians leave office, while sure, is understandable from a value perspective...they are quite capable people, is a problem because it makes the line that can and cannot be crossed so blurry that anyone could claim that the paycheck they are getting isn't for services rendered while in office.

what has changed about that?

Note, where we agree I'll state it. I don't like that Sanders said it was distasteful. That language is way too loaded, and seems to make Obama an outlier where he clearly is not when it comes to this sort of thing.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #134)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:32 AM

137. He knee jerked and there is no context with BS'

tweet.. "trump is right".





BS is Normalizing trump AGAIN

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Response to Cha (Reply #137)

Sun May 7, 2017, 11:43 AM

163. oh Cha, I'm glad what you care about is condoning and even propagating blatant, unconscionable spin.

 

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Response to JCanete (Reply #163)

Sun May 7, 2017, 10:19 PM

198. Your insults means you have nothing.. you can't defend

BS' "trump is right".. so you personally attack.



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Response to Cha (Reply #198)

Mon May 8, 2017, 01:51 AM

199. I just stated what you are doing. No motive behind it. I can't ascribe that for you. nt

 

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Response to JCanete (Reply #199)

Mon May 8, 2017, 01:55 AM

200. Just keep digging.

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Response to Cha (Reply #200)

Mon May 8, 2017, 02:12 AM

201. I'm trying, but I can't find you, you're so in over your head in shit. Come on, just admit that

 


Sanders was not normalizing Trump. That is absurd. Half the time he mentions Trump he takes care to point out that the man is a pathological liar, and not at all informed. In this quote, Sanders was pointing out the absurdity, not to mention the disastrous policy that Trump was attempting to role out, that was so far removed from something TRUMP had just praised. Sanders offered NO PRAISE. Saying somebody is right on one issue is neither praising that person nor normalizing that person. Please give up that ghost. What could possibly be the end goal of intentionally misinterpreting people who are fighting against the same fucking person and party?

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Response to JCanete (Reply #201)

Mon May 8, 2017, 03:41 AM

203. Riiiiiight

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Response to Cha (Reply #203)

Mon May 8, 2017, 04:43 AM

207. uh oh, watch out with that language...people might start thinking you are normalizing my posts. nt

 

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Response to Snackshack (Reply #80)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:29 AM

116. Exactly snackshack. Trump praised a nation that has universal healthcare

Trump didn't know that of course, but Trump was right they do have a better healthcare system than we do. If Trump was to decided tomorrow that he wanted to adopt the Australian system over that POS congress passed I would praise him. If the Democratic party treats Trump like the Republicans treated Obama they will lose credibility. Doing whats right for the people should be put ahead of interparty rivalry.

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Response to Jno_Gilmor_ (Reply #116)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:33 AM

118. But first he praises Trump. That's the problem:

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #118)

Sun May 7, 2017, 01:35 PM

178. Not really though, in that he knows what

Donald said proves Donald to be completely uninformed. And willing to talk when he knows he is not. Australia has single payer and so Donald must not mean what he said about it having a good system. He is just so ignorant that he does not know Australia's system.

Of course, Bernie knows this and is using Donald's words against him.

Then the average deplorable now believes Australia has a great health system, without knowing it is the single payer they so abhor.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #118)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:17 PM

186. Can we at least come to an agreement that saying somebody is right on an issue,

 

is not "praising" that person? Agreeing with a statement or conclusion IS NOT PRAISE. This is obnoxious mischaracterization in-and-of-itself propagated by posters HERE, and if we give any fuck about the truth, maybe we shouldn't be so damn hyperbolic.

You want to call out hyperbole in other instances? If I see it I"ll do it first. If you do it, I'll agree with you, but please don't justify this kind of crap by "oh now people care about hyperbole but not when we were talking about Clinton," if you aren't simply an outside observer. If people are engaging in it themselves, just saying it happened to the "good" dems so this is fair game, is not legitimate justification.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #186)

Mon May 8, 2017, 03:56 AM

204. If he didn't want to say "Trump is right" thrice--on TV, in a tweet, and in a specially made video--

he could have said it a different way. Here's an example of how to make the same point without the off-message attaboy:



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Response to ucrdem (Reply #204)

Mon May 8, 2017, 04:41 AM

206. I don't have a clue how you got an " attaboy" out of that. It is NOT there. The tone of the whole

 


thing does NOT seem subtle enough to go over your head, and maybe I'm making assumptions I shouldn't be, but I'd say most people got it, and I'd say that most people complaining on this very board got it too.

Honest question, in its context, did you actually misunderstand it yourself?

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Response to JCanete (Reply #206)

Mon May 8, 2017, 04:45 AM

208. Take off the tunnel vision google glasses and tune in to reality.

You'll find it refreshing.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #208)

Mon May 8, 2017, 05:34 AM

209. well that couldn't have been more vague. nt

 

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Response to Jno_Gilmor_ (Reply #116)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:42 AM

121. And when you play the embedded video, you get this:






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Source:

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Response to Snackshack (Reply #80)

Sun May 7, 2017, 07:56 AM

158. Thank goodness we now know

Just how right Trump really is. God forbid we focus on his actions throwing millions off healthcare and relegating them to death. A comment that wasn't completely insane managed to escape from his lips. We must all now stop and praise him for being right. Meanwhile, the bill moves to the senate and Trump salivates over killing millions of Americans. But he said something right about Australia. We must all be brought to heel to acknowledge that.

The problem isn't so much Bernie's tweet. It's that anything he says results in his supporters mobilizing around ensuring that his every word be heeded and revered. And we see the results of that here. The focus is not on the horror of ACHA but in ensuring everyone knows just how right Trump was.

If we lived in a time in which citizens did not devote themselves first and foremost to reverence for great men, his words would be nothing more than words. They might not matter more than the words of a local school teacher or pharmacist. People wouldn't bother themselves about whether strangers liked or disliked the politician any more than they would the schoolteacher. They would focus on the efforts in congress, on the policy and the lives impacted by it. But we don't live in times in a time where citizens are viewed as equal to elected officials. We live in the times where the utterances of a couple of great men must be defended, validated, and championed above all else.

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:05 AM

129. Brian Williams: "I am Wonder Mike"

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #129)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:18 AM

132. Now be serious. Like this peacock jumping spider dancing to YMCA:




Hat tip to Jurgen Otto!

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #132)

Sun May 7, 2017, 08:15 AM

159. Holy shit.

That is AWESOME.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #129)

Sun May 7, 2017, 05:37 AM

140. Now Lindsay really hates you!



(I had to google that...I am proud to say I've never seen anything Lindsay Lohan)

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Response to countryjake (Reply #140)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:59 PM

191. she seems tense.

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sun May 7, 2017, 06:24 AM

148. BS tweet: Trump is right





The screenshot of trump with the big shit eating grin on his face is about 12 seconds in to the little BS vid

ucrdem

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Response to Post removed (Reply #174)

Sun May 7, 2017, 01:39 PM

179. Yes!

 

Yes to all of that. Post of the year.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #174)

Sun May 7, 2017, 01:50 PM

180. Perfect.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #174)

Sun May 7, 2017, 02:58 PM

183. +1,000.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #174)

Sun May 7, 2017, 04:59 PM

190. Yes. Wasn't it great when this board was focused on attacking Democrats?



As if there were no other opportunity on the internet to attack Democratic leaders, as if the rest of the internet weren't a breeding ground for Russian trolls and right-wing propagandists, as if there were a forum anywhere else but on DU for supporting the Democratic Party.

I, for one, like the new DU. I like that DU decided to take a stand and refused to allow Russian trolls and right-wing nutcases to take over the last place online that allows Democrats to have a discussion without tearing each other and the Democratic Party down.

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sun May 7, 2017, 12:05 PM

168. He could have said Trump is feeble!

Oh wait, that's what he said about Democrats.

Saying "Trump is right" is definitely not a pom pom celebration statement.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #168)

Mon May 8, 2017, 05:41 AM

210. Yeah, BS: "trump is right" and the Democratic Party is

"feeble" and "can't fight back".

It's the friggin OPTICS.





That pic of trump is a screenshot that ucrdem took from the Vid.. 12 seconds in.

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Sun May 7, 2017, 06:00 PM

193. Where are my pearls?! How can I clutch them if I can't find them!?

 

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Mon May 8, 2017, 02:21 AM

202. Oh ffs!

It's very clear he's making the case for Universal Health Care while pointing out Trump is completely uninformed on the issues.

The Bernie haters really need to gtfu and focus on the real enemies and problems.

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Response to OxQQme (Original post)

Mon May 8, 2017, 09:11 AM

211. Trump was right.

He just didn't understand what he was right about.

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