Bill Maher schools JPR types on the left who didn't vote for Hillary

[stevenleser]

I hope the JackassRadical types get the message loud and clear, in particular what Maher says they can all do with themselves at the end at 5:01

[ZX86]

1. Flies against human nature.

[stevenleser]

2. No it doesn't, its called using your reasoning skills. nt

[ZX86]

3. It doesn't work.

The last election clearly demonstrates that. Shaming doesn't work. It depresses voter turn out at best. Encourages voters to vote the opposition at worst.

[stevenleser]

4. It works every day billions of times all around the globe.

People make choices in their lives that aren't what they want but are attainable.

I made a choice in September to lease a car that was $19,000. I would have loved to have a car that was $100,000 but that wasn't a practical choice.

It's as easy as that.

[m-lekktor]

7. I agree. Insulting people makes folks double down and doesn't win them to your side.

This isn't rocket science.

[stevenleser]

11. No sale. We've watched people do this twice now. They need a wake up call. nt

[DanTex]

12. For example, when the far left insults Obama/Clinton/the Democratic party.

That helps to explain why far leftists in this country are such a sorry bunch.

[stevenleser]

13. Yeah, they don't want to talk about that in this context. That's ok as far as they are concerned

Don't you dare insult their sacred cows though.

[demosincebirth]

28. +100

[spooky3]

21. Clinton received approximately the same number of votes as did Obama in 2012z

This was true despite evidence of voter suppression effects.

Overall turnout (# of voters for any candidate) was higher in 2016 than in 2012, primarily reflected in a big increase in votes for the libertarian candidates.

[DanTex]

5. LOL. The immortal words of President Eugene Debs.

[stevenleser]

6. Humans have amazing defense mechanisms to justify excruciatingly bad choices

Every single excuse by anyone on the left to not vote for Hillary are among the dumbest and worst excuses for bad choices I have ever seen.

[DanTex]

9. What I find remarkable, is that the BoB/Green types have pretty much zero

regret for getting Trump elected. To this day, even after Trump is every bit as horrible as everyone knew he would be, they somehow are still satisfied with their decision to help him become president.

[stevenleser]

14. It's too bad we can't somehow talk to the dead

I'd really like to have the German far left who couldn't unite with the Social Democrats to prevent Hitler's election as chancellor and were subsequently gassed in concentration camps talk to today's far left to discuss the wisdom of their choices.

[still_one]

29. Noam Chomsky: Progressives who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton made a bad mistake

"“I think they [made] a bad mistake,” said Chomsky, who reiterated that it’s important to keep a “greater evil” from obtaining power, even if you’re not thrilled with the alternative. “I didn’t like Clinton at all, but her positions are much better than Trump’s on every issue I can think of.”

Chomsky also attacked the arguments made by philosopher Slavoj Zizek, who argued that Trump’s election would at least shake up the system and provide a real rallying point for the left.

“[Zizek makes a] terrible point,” Chomsky told Hasan. “It was the same point that people like him said about Hitler in the early ’30s… he’ll shake up the system in bad ways.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/noam-chomsky-progressives-who-refused-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-made-a-bad-mistake/

[Cha]

25. I don't care what he said.. he didn't meet the gd fascist

trump. And, the Planet wasn't in danger of blowing up with fucking NUKES .. and didn't have a Global Climate Change Crisis.

[still_one]

30. In this situation that false equivalency is bullshit. On every level Hillary was better than

Trump. Healthcare, the environment, student debt, civil rights, women's rights, etc.

Noam Chomsky said it very clearly:

"“I think they [made] a bad mistake,” said Chomsky, who reiterated that it’s important to keep a “greater evil” from obtaining power, even if you’re not thrilled with the alternative. “I didn’t like Clinton at all, but her positions are much better than Trump’s on every issue I can think of.”

Chomsky also attacked the arguments made by philosopher Slavoj Zizek, who argued that Trump’s election would at least shake up the system and provide a real rallying point for the left.

“[Zizek makes a] terrible point,” Chomsky told Hasan. “It was the same point that people like him said about Hitler in the early ’30s… he’ll shake up the system in bad ways.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/noam-chomsky-progressives-who-refused-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-made-a-bad-mistake/

[Squinch]

54. Wow. Still defending the folks who gave us Trump with analogies that don't apply!

Some people never learn, do they.

[NurseJackie]

57. LOL

[Jamaal510]

8. Anyone

who still claims that both parties are evil and similar (even though it was the GOP and not the Democrats who nominated a KKK/InfoWars-endorsed and climate change-denying candidate) is either a con artist, politically-obtuse, or both. I don't agree with everything BM says, but he hit the sweet spot here.

[Cha]

27. Yeah, they're stupid.. who wants unity with The Stupid

[hrmjustin]

10. The purists that didn't vote for Hillary have my scorn as well.

[ZX86]

15. Scorn doesn't win elections.

[stevenleser]

16. Tell that to those on the left who are scornful toward Democrats. nt

[hrmjustin]

17. True but my point still stands.

[BainsBane]

19. Their scorn won an election for Trump

Now they can celebrate the deaths of the many who will die from losing their access to health care.
They can take pleasure in knowing that families have been ripped apart from immigration policy. Their scorn brought all kinds of success.

If people demonstrated a fraction of the concern for those who are suffering as a result of Trump's policies as we see toward the Trump humping White Supremacists and their vichy allies, we wouldn't be living through this hell.

[7wo7rees]

18. Keep on slamming the "JPR" types, Leser.

Sure to bring "unity".

[JI7]

20. there will be no unity with people who support trump

[BainsBane]

22. Just like slamming the Neo Nazis or the Tea Party doens't bring unity with them

Who the fuck cares? They are all part of the Trump coalition. They don't want to unify with Democrats. They have their man in DC, and they continue to defend him.

As I said in another post, if we saw a fraction of the concern for those suffering under the Trump administration as we do for those who support it, we wouldn't be living through a fascist hell.

Those people decided the lives of Americans didn't matter. They willfully chose to cause death and misery because they decided the lives of their fellow citizens mattered less than their egos and self-entitlement.
They not only preferred Trump, they continue to defend him even now. They openly proclaim their opposition to equal rights for women, people of color, and LGBT Americans. Trump is the president they wanted and continue to support. What exactly do you think it is you are going to unify with them over? Because i don't plan to sit back while the Democratic Party becomes the American version of the National Front to satisfy their perverse agenda.

[riversedge]

51. well said.

[NurseJackie]

58. Yes. Thank you.

[tecelote]

23. Yes. The voice of reason.

I mean, who needs JPR types? Who needs Independents? And, damn, we sure as hell don't want anyone changing their minds and deciding they made a mistake voting for Trump. Oh no!

Remember, we're more open minded and accepting so why let anyone else in our game? Screw them. We'll win next time without their help for sure.

[BainsBane]

31. So their changing their mind to decide they made a mistake

which they have not yet done, not even now seeing that millions of people may die for lack of access to healthcare, is not their responsibility. It's not incumbent on them to manifest a conscience or sense of social responsibility. Instead, Bill Maher and lowly citizens on DU must remain silent so as not to offend them-- on the off chance that come to regret their support of Trump and, coincident with that realization, suddenly happen upon DU.

[tecelote]

33. Who are you to say that some have not changed their mind or regret their choice?

Keep putting up the wall. You know how well walls work.

[Cha]

49. I've seen too many with weasel excuses. Mainly..

Fucking stein and ssarandon.

With their cushiony Million$$$$$.. they could give a Shite about the LIES they spread.'

They can fuck the fuck OFF.

[BainsBane]

50. The polls show it, consistently

He remains enormously popular with Republicans and independents who voted for him, more so than even Ronald Reagan was--more than any Republican president in recent history.

Those insisting Democratic voters be careful not to alienate Trump supporters have never showed a fraction of that empathy toward Democrats who disagree with them, even about something as minor as views about a single politician not even running for office. I've even seen people dismissively declaring they won't read posts by DUers they disagree with in the very threads in which they demand understanding toward white male Trump voters. It seems to me that if people truly value empathy toward others, they would demonstrate some of that themselves. Instead, we see very rigid walls, only it isn't Republicans on the other side; it's the Democratic base.

The claims of empathy are spurious, as is the argument that it's about winning elections. Elections hinge on numbers of votes. As much as some think the votes of 55,000 white male Trump voters matter more than tens of millions of Democrats, that's not how it works.

We see groups of Americans, especially Democrats, contemptuously dismissed all the time. The very people who insist that unity requires catering to the egos of Trump voters and JPR Trump defenders don't hesitate to insult groups of Democrats. We see it all the time. The argument therefore has nothing to do with unity, compassion, or winning elections. It is about values, specifically which kinds of people are valued and which are not.

[betsuni]

34. Heh.

[Squinch]

55. Hush, now! If we point out their vote for a third party was a death warrant to hundreds of thousands

we might offend them! They're very sensitive souls! If people are mean to them, they like to blow things up!

[still_one]

32. The JPR types are NOT independents. They refer to Hillary and President Obama in the most

vulgar and sexist terms, along with a number of them actually supporting trump

The fact that they do not have any regrets how they voted, speaks volumes

As for the "voice of reason", I will give them this same voice of reason they gave to anyone who voted for the Democratic nominee:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1280104210

[tecelote]

35. Hate looks so good on you.

Keep it up.

Pretty soon we'll be just like them.

[JI7]

37. lol, hatred at sexism, racism etc is the same as hatred based on sexism racism etc

HAHAHHAHAHAH

[tecelote]

38. Hatred of ideals is not the same as blind hatred of a group of people even if...

many of those people hold those ideals. Not all of them do and people can change.

That's what we should be aiming for. But hate is easier so choose your own path.

[JI7]

41. hatred of trump is a good thing. i wish one day people would give these lectures

to those who hate others because of their race, sex etc the way trump supporters do.

[tecelote]

42. I do hate Trump and his policies.

I do give lectures to others who are sexist, racist, etc.

I just don't like to see it here. Unlike many here (unfortunately), I believe we can change minds and win the hearts of Americans back. The racists, sexist assholes may not change but not everyone that is a Republican is beyond reach. I'll keep trying to change minds. You keep hating. We'll see which works in our best interest.

[JI7]

46. if they change their mind then they would understand and agree with our hatred towards

those who are racist and sexist.

[tecelote]

47. Close.

Hopefully they will hate racism and sexism. Hating people isn't a winning strategy.

[betsuni]

39. And being called intolerant for pointing out sexism, rascism, etc.

The inevitable knee-jerk.

[tecelote]

43. Pointing it out is one thing.

Hating them is another.

[betsuni]

53. Hate is a natural human emotion and can give drive and energy to the hater when the hated deserves

the hatred. Quite another thing when hate is based on fiction: lies, propaganda, prejudice, gossip, willful ignorance, arrogance "I know everything and am never wrong," etc. Republicans and JPR types' hatred is based on fiction, not facts. Like the creatures beneath the Ghost of Christmas Present's robe: "This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware of them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased. Deny it!"

[still_one]

40. Not even close. You see I would have voted for the Democratic nominee whoever it was

Bernie or Hillary, and if I was a Bernie supporter I would have NEVER referred to Hillary calling her the "c" word or other vulgar sexist innuendos. If I disagreed with President Obama, I would have NEVER called him a "POS used car salesman", along with every foul expletive.

Just as I wouldn't embrace the likes of the KKK or other hate groups, why would I choose to engage with them

[tecelote]

44. Don't engage them.

You'll do more harm than good.

[still_one]

45. That harm you are referring to, they have already done it.

[betsuni]

36. +1

[BainsBane]

24. He really should be slamming Democrats

especially Obama and the Democratic base, particularly those whose lives are most jeopardized by the votes of the more important Trump defenders you insist not be criticized. Now that promotes unity. But slamming Trump supporters, that is unacceptable.

So what if they support Hitler? You've decided they are just too important to be criticized.

[Cha]

26. Who wants "unity" with those who voted 3rd party and

believe trump is better than Hillary?

Praising trump on their site and pushing stupid hate propaganda against Hillary.

They hate President Obama too.. those 3rd party suckers can fuck off.

[Yavin4]

48. What else have the far left done in America other than playing spoiler?

They don't organize, There's no political structure. They don't do shit other than play spoiler. That's all that they're good for.

[stevenleser]

56. Yep, the two worst American Presidents in history are on them. 'W' and Gropenfuhrer. Their German

counterparts in 1933 enabled Hitler by refusing to unite with the Social Democrats so there is a long history of this among similarly minded folk.