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Stinky The Clown

(67,676 posts)
Sun May 7, 2017, 04:31 PM May 2017

Instead of a trend I think we are in a transition

It is a global world. Isolationism and ubernationalism can't survive. What we are seeing in the world and living with in the US are the last gasps of those nostalgic for the old ways, for the way things were, for what some hold as a rose colored fantasy of better, simpler, purer times.

That their fantasy never existed matters not.

These are people who "feel" rather than think. They feel their taxes pay for others to be lazy. They feel they deserve health care but lazy people don't. They feel that immigrants are ruining their country, raping their women, and stealing their jobs. They feel that liberals are dirty hippies.

Meanwhile, reality and robots are coming together. Human migrations caused by extreme fundamental religious nationalists are moving masses that will not be stopped.What never was is being rapidly replaced wirth a new social order where they no longer will hold the power. They fear that.

And this is their last gasp. The transition will have pain, but in the end, as it has always been over the history of mankind, we will be in a better place than we are now.

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hlthe2b

(101,715 posts)
1. Watching Macron walk out to greet the people, I can't help but be envious...
Sun May 7, 2017, 04:37 PM
May 2017

much as I felt in 2008 with Obama in Chicago.

I surely hope this is the beginning of a very positive turn--worldwide.

murielm99

(30,656 posts)
8. Were you there, in 2008,
Sun May 7, 2017, 05:10 PM
May 2017

In McCormick Place?

My husband and I were lucky enough to have tickets. It was crowded and wonderful.

Control-Z

(15,681 posts)
12. I felt gratitude.
Sun May 7, 2017, 06:08 PM
May 2017

They learned from us and made a crucial distinction about what is right and good, and what is wrong, imo. If they had followed in our footsteps I'm afraid that would have condemned the world to a much longer period of the cruelty we are now living.

MANative

(4,105 posts)
3. My gut tells me that your analysis is on-target.
Sun May 7, 2017, 04:37 PM
May 2017

I hope you're right, and that I get to witness it in short order.

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
4. Interesting observations
Sun May 7, 2017, 04:41 PM
May 2017

They feel that women should not be independent, that we should bow to the will of men. They want us powerless.

They feel that their traditional values are the ultimate. They feel that their country is being taken over by those that do not share their beliefs.

It is as if we are being transported to 1950 in a lot of ways. Their will be damage but we have to fight on and to repair what we can.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
5. Instant worldwide communication will continue the flow of
Sun May 7, 2017, 04:48 PM
May 2017

information, global unity and understanding. There is no turning back...resistance to be sure, but inevitable in the end.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
6. Huge transition. But it's money as much as racism and nationalism.
Sun May 7, 2017, 04:53 PM
May 2017

But remember Piketty - we're becoming more and more unequal and the super-wealthy are buying our politicians.

We need to fix money in American politics at the same time as we handle the racist, rightwing nationalists.

Money comes from GOP donors, votes come from racism and lying to middle America.

We have to handle both.

Sculpin Beauregard

(1,046 posts)
7. Seconding. It's absolutely imperative to grasp this.
Sun May 7, 2017, 05:04 PM
May 2017

The world is not simplistic and black and white.

The GOP - Kochs, Mercers, politicians - want power and completely unfettered capitalism, money. All of it. They want ALL. THE. MONEY.

How do they get the power? By appealing to the disenfranchised, the uneducated, and the extremists.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
17. GOP has allied wealthy donors and corps with racists since Nixon
Sun May 7, 2017, 09:07 PM
May 2017

Getting money out of politics will go a long way, and may be more important than addressing white racist nationalists.

Sculpin Beauregard

(1,046 posts)
19. Agree. The system is now heavily weighed against anyone playing 'fairly'. They will do anything
Sun May 7, 2017, 09:43 PM
May 2017

To get/keep power.

GoCubsGo

(32,061 posts)
11. I hope you are right.
Sun May 7, 2017, 05:30 PM
May 2017

The upcoming generation is, on the whole, the opposite of these people, which gives me hope. May they never turn into their parents and grandparents.

rainy

(6,083 posts)
13. Globalism with unfettered capitalism
Sun May 7, 2017, 06:47 PM
May 2017

will destroy the planet. Capitalism will eat itself. (Watch There Will Be Blood.) Natural resources will become more scarce and we will kill each other fighting over them and what's left of them.

Money will be the root of our downfall. We need to fight power and money hard and now!!! I see the opposite where we will have more local ruling powers keeping the corporate globalist out of our way.

At the current rate of growth and planet destruction globalism / capitalism is unsustainable!

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
14. Sooner or later, Democrats and Republicans will have to learn to work with each other....
Sun May 7, 2017, 08:00 PM
May 2017

...for the benefit of the country.

murielm99

(30,656 posts)
15. They used to work together.
Sun May 7, 2017, 08:15 PM
May 2017

Politics was the art of compromise.

That damned Newt Gingrich started all this adversarial bullshit. It will not change until we get the current crop of greedy repubbies out of office and start over.

roamer65

(36,739 posts)
16. The larger transition is now on the horizon.
Sun May 7, 2017, 08:16 PM
May 2017

The loss of much of our coastal areas to rising sea levels.

I think it will become known as the "Great Displacement". It will override all of our petty squabbles.

D_Master81

(1,822 posts)
18. i hate to say it
Sun May 7, 2017, 09:28 PM
May 2017

but i dont think the art of compromise will ever come back to washington. look at the way we here talk about Repubs, look at the way they talk about Dems. Its all us vs them, good vs evil. I'm not sure yet about Dems, but if you're a Repub that works w/ Dems, you've gotten primaried. People like Richard Lugar got voted out by his own party for not being "conservative enough" even though he was a right wing politician. I'm thinking that wave is the next wave to hit the Dem party. with 24 hr news, internet sites, fox news, rush limbaugh and the like, the Republican party will never come back to the table w/ the Dems and the Dems pretty much have no choice but to do the same. Sad times we're living in, cause its us the people that get hurt in the crossfire.

As for the French result, maybe the Trump election has woken the world up to this nonsense. we'll have to wait and see going forward, i certainly hope so.

Sculpin Beauregard

(1,046 posts)
20. Huge Koch money and secret think tanks infiltrating the colleges
Sun May 7, 2017, 09:49 PM
May 2017

Over the past 40 years have swung GOP to far right.

Koch money unfair advantage, but it's been going on for years now.

My take? The Kochs/ Mercers know the planet is fucked and this coup is their last ditch effort to rape USA for every last dime.

Also, everything is a game to sociopaths. A fucking game.

Capitalism is eating itself.

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