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johnnyrocket

(1,773 posts)
Sun May 7, 2017, 10:07 PM May 2017

Macrons rout of Le Pen shows how Trump is hurting Rightwing Populists

In the last week of France’s presidential election, posters sprung up picturing Marine Le Pen with Donald Trump’s hairdo. The message was clear. Saying “yes” to Le Pen was saying “yes” to Trump. Ads also ran advising voters “ne vous Trumpez pas,” a pun on the verb “tromper” meaning “do not deceive yourself.” My suspicion is that Trump’s election did hurt Le Pen. I haven’t found any evidence from polling, but there is a telling succession of events that suggests a negative Trump effect.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/--100957

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Macrons rout of Le Pen shows how Trump is hurting Rightwing Populists (Original Post) johnnyrocket May 2017 OP
Good point! Mme. Defarge May 2017 #1
He hasn't helped BeyondGeography May 2017 #2
I hope that if we stop Russia and white nationalism in France, we can stop them for good. Initech May 2017 #3
Putin is causing far more trouble to the world than any other miscreant leader dalton99a May 2017 #5
NOW IF bluestarone May 2017 #4
More people at least. The French had a great anti-nationalist Hortensis May 2017 #15
Next up is Germany... 2naSalit May 2017 #6
I agree about the not letting our "guard down". Russia needs to be watched. Caliman73 May 2017 #12
Is Trump causing European populism to crumble? By David A. Andelman AgadorSparticus May 2017 #7
I'd love to agree with this article, but all Rightwing Populists are so bad on their own... stevenleser May 2017 #8
Why does ALL of the media call them "populist"????? roomtomove May 2017 #9
They are using the term "populist" incorrectly Dopers_Greed May 2017 #10
You took the words right off my keyboard meow2u3 May 2017 #13
Agree onetexan May 2017 #14
Take away the racism/sexism/bigotry IronLionZion May 2017 #16
Hair Furor doomed the French fascist workinclasszero May 2017 #11
It also shows that voting on paper is your best chance at fair elections. Chakaconcarne May 2017 #17

Initech

(100,013 posts)
3. I hope that if we stop Russia and white nationalism in France, we can stop them for good.
Sun May 7, 2017, 10:25 PM
May 2017

Now to get to work undoing the damage they did here and to the UK. Putin needs to be declared an enemy of the state.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. More people at least. The French had a great anti-nationalist
Mon May 8, 2017, 08:04 PM
May 2017

impetus in the horrible specter of appearing to behave like Americans.

Caliman73

(11,719 posts)
12. I agree about the not letting our "guard down". Russia needs to be watched.
Mon May 8, 2017, 01:23 PM
May 2017

I do think however, that Germany is fairly safe now that France has restored a bit of order to European politics. If France had gone right, then it would have been a worry for Germany.

Germany is the stalwart of the EU and while things are not 100%, they are doing much better economically and socially. The far right does not have as many inroads in to Germany as it has had in France and Britain.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
7. Is Trump causing European populism to crumble? By David A. Andelman
Mon May 8, 2017, 12:51 AM
May 2017

(CNN)Donald Trump's travails are apparently sending shivers through Europe's so-called populist right. This seems particularly true in France.

Marine Le Pen -- the leader of France's National Front party and darling of the French far right -- had hoped to ride President Trump's coattails to power -- and in the process, bring down the entire European project.
As France, Italy and the Netherlands gear up for critical elections this spring, many of Trump's more outrageous pronouncements -- not to mention actions -- are casting a pall over Europe's populism.

Snip--ing/ European populism to crumble?
By David A. Andelman

Updated 9:01 AM ET, Wed February 8, 2017
Marine Le Pen runs for French president.

Marine Le Pen runs for French president. 02:36
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(CNN)Donald Trump's travails are apparently sending shivers through Europe's so-called populist right. This seems particularly true in France.

Marine Le Pen -- the leader of France's National Front party and darling of the French far right -- had hoped to ride President Trump's coattails to power -- and in the process, bring down the entire European project.
As France, Italy and the Netherlands gear up for critical elections this spring, many of Trump's more outrageous pronouncements -- not to mention actions -- are casting a pall over Europe's populism.

Trump's continuing embrace of Vladimir Putin, his support for a Brexit that even many Brits are now viewing with fear, and above all his de-facto Muslim ban all appear to be moving much of the European electorate closer to the center and driving these often-bickering nations closer to each other.
Marine Le Pen declares candidacy in French election, attacks globalization
Marine Le Pen declares candidacy in French election, attacks globalization
The first test comes in France barely 10 weeks from now in the first round of France's presidential election. Already, it holds the promise of a most contentious period. In an effort to smooth her own image and ease her way into the hearts of a broader electorate than her explosive father, far-right demagogue Jean-Marie Le Pen, Marine has dropped her toxic last name from her campaign material -- at about the same time she released a 144-point program that's clearly designed to smooth some of her sharpest edges.
No longer does Le Pen want France to "exit the eurozone," but rather "restore the national currency," which many in France worry will do little to improve their economic plight. No longer does she seek to reinstate the death penalty but rather life imprisonment for "the worst crimes." She doesn't even want to leave the European Union but rather renegotiate France's terms of membership. No longer does Le Pen want France to "exit the eurozone," but rather "restore the national currency," which many in France worry will do little to improve their economic plight. No longer does she seek to reinstate the death penalty but rather life imprisonment for "the worst crimes." She doesn't even want to leave the European Union but rather renegotiate France's terms of membership.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/08/opinions/trump-european-populism-andelman/

The defeat of the far right populist movement has been slowly pummeled by trump for 100 days now. They are lucky to even scrape by with the 33% that they got. I was hoping they end up in the 20's. But a win is a win and this one wasn't too shabby.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
8. I'd love to agree with this article, but all Rightwing Populists are so bad on their own...
Mon May 8, 2017, 12:56 AM
May 2017

... Trump included, that it is hard to determine who is hurting whom.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
10. They are using the term "populist" incorrectly
Mon May 8, 2017, 01:19 PM
May 2017

The current crop of fascists in office will only took a "populist" tone during the campaign, then pivoted to enact policies for the elite only (i.e. Putin, Chump).

"Demagogue" is a more accurate term.

meow2u3

(24,757 posts)
13. You took the words right off my keyboard
Mon May 8, 2017, 01:53 PM
May 2017

They're not populists--real populists are left populists.

Right wing populism is a contradiction in terms.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
11. Hair Furor doomed the French fascist
Mon May 8, 2017, 01:23 PM
May 2017

They all got a good look at what a right wing demagogue would do to their country and rejected it big time!

THANKS TRUMP!

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