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May 8, 2017 - Airing LIVE Monday, 2:30pm EDT on C-SPAN3Russian Interference in 2016 Election Former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper testify at a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.
Another viewing option, The Senate Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism is airing the hearing too:
Russian Interference in the 2016 United States Election - Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism
Witnesses
The Honorable Sally Q. Yates
The Honorable James R. Clapper
PBS LIVE:
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L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Did the France hack happen to deflect from Trump getting blamed for the DNC hackers?
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1659727/66392306
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)At this point some WH officials have been given weeks to report everything regarding their contacts w Russia. I'm guessing they already know a lot.
He's going into "dark money" now and possible leverage used against the WH. Felix Sater.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)They are going to get them on record before the arrests, maybe getting more charges as a result, obstruction, lying to Senate, maybe even finding things they don't have yet.
Excellent opening by Sen. Whitehouse, anything but brief it turned out also. Swearing in both Clapper and Yates now. Clapper opening statement first.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Designed to clarify what's going on without divulging classified aspects of ongoing on investigation.
Hacking, propaganda, bots and "timed leaks" named as parts of the "Russian toolbox" which also includes assasinations!
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)as much into the written record as possible.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)mcar
(42,210 posts)I think Graham said.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)This is WAAAAAAAYYYY worse than Watergate.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)mnmoderatedem
(3,706 posts)"18 minute gap vs 18 day gap"
love the analogy!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)This info was shared (with thousands of pages of supporting info) with the WH in January. The intelligence given them still stands after many additional
months of investigation.
And now there are new issues:
"Unmasking" frequently happens when collection foreign intelligence - US persons are "masked" in reports as US person 1, 2, etc. however sometimes the people given reports feel the need to have person 1 IDd and that info is subject to approval and only given to the requester.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)calimary
(80,693 posts)all of this over to some imagined "malfeasance" by Susan Rice. More bullshitting, smoke-screening and gaslighting.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Instead of worrying about the who committed the treason, he wants to know who leaked the treason. What kind of people have we elected?
Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)distract.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)that he has to come back and deal with this shit.
woodsprite
(11,853 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Masking, leaks, counter intelligence investigations, practices and procedures.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)Solemnity of Watergate Hearing -- with explicitly worse consequences.
Yates on now.
It's a good start. Great hopes.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)DiFi making comments. Russian involvement is a foregone conclusion now. Replicated in France.
2/19 waPo report on Flynn lying to Pence ...
who knew what- and when.
Additional warnings aside from Yates- including Obama in Novemeber. What happened between those warnings and role did Flynn have in NatSec in that time.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Public video so screen captures are public domain.
riversedge
(69,721 posts)yet. did Clapper say 'yet'??
Citizens Fed Up Retweeted
Jessica M. Coggins? @JessicaMCoggins 2m2 minutes ago
James Clapper just confirmed what other intel said: Russians hackers collected info from GOP but never released the material (yet)
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)then it wouldn't have been so obvious.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Now Lindsey is trying to get Clapper to say no Trumpsters did anything improper.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)elleng
(130,135 posts)'Can't answer' doesn't mean 'yes.'
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)elleng
(130,135 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Met in a Schiff. Told there were press accounts about Flynn that weren't true.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'm without streaming.... could you please clarify: Yates was told press accounts aren't true by McGann or vice-versa?
Thanks
(and thanks for the updates, too!)
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)And this is why she wanted to let the WH know (which ended up being McGann as the WH Counsel).
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Wanted to clarify that for them- and say they felt that Flynn was feeding them bullshit.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)haele
(12,581 posts)Classified material communications area. No information comes out of a SCIF that isn't either highly processed and redacted or declassified. Certainly, nothing is copied in a SCIF.
And no one goes into a SCIF without a high level security clearance and the training on how to handle material within a SCIF.
Yates is an old pro. If anything that went on got "leaked", it was from McGann or any number of noobs the White House was trying to foist through the clearance process.
Haele
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)"Miss Yates, what did you tell the White House about General Flynn?"
Graham is focused on the fact there may have been a leak, not on the lies and "knowingly supplying false information to the American people..." Yates.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)And it has proven to be very credible.
Tanuki
(14,893 posts)"Yate, Yate, don't tell me".
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)They were bringing this to him- it was improper. But now she is naming Pence as source of false reports in media.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And that Flynn was feeding them BS and it seemed the Russians could be blackmailing Flynn.
riversedge
(69,721 posts)pkdu
(3,977 posts)right off the bat...letter warning about Flynn was dated Nov 18th
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article137866598.ece/BINARY/Cummings%27%20letter%20to%20Pence#storylink=related_inline
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)THE TREASONOUS POT???????!!!!
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)then you might as well forget trying to get anyone indicted.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)This is gonna be a long slog. I think once they have their classified hearings they may be able to declassify stuff for additional public hearings.
I expect they are going to have Flynn testify at some point and that will probably be a flurry of him "taking the 5th".
EllieBC
(2,961 posts)There's not going to be a Law & Order style moment where everyone gasps and the chair is yelling "order order!!" while pounding a gavel.
In private hearings the classified info would come out I think.
On edit: I think they are done so people can get an idea of what may be asked later in private hearings.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)BFD opinion so far. Maybe it's that I'm listening with half an ear.
But condescend away. I'm sure, as somewhat of an aficionada of such ripostes, I'll return in kind one day.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And she had to explain that Flynn was likely compromised and the WH was feeding specific lies to the public.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And she told them since Flynn has already met with the FBI this was NOT the case. She again stressed it was important "action be taken".
McGann wanted to see the "underlying evidence" and they had to ask the DOJ to allow that.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Yates said "unknowingly" but how can she know what Pence knew? Maybe Pence knew he was lying to the public because he did not know about the evidence contradicting him.
Lies were being repeated again and again "increasing the compromise" Yates.
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)Everything about him is "unknowingly", or "unwittingly".
pkdu
(3,977 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)That's the first unambiguous statement of that, and that's huge. This isn't just about deception: they know what he said to Kislyak, and it wasn't good.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)nolabear
(41,915 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)and warned him of Yates. Big flurry of activity over a couple of days directed in her direction and NOT in the direction of Flynn.
Kill the messenger. That works well.
riversedge
(69,721 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Response to riversedge (Reply #62)
phylny This message was self-deleted by its author.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)riversedge
(69,721 posts)information. Go get your price from trumpy-you old fool grassley
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)not stuff from the RNC communications directly, which is why I was wondering how that was relevant to his line of questioning. But he obviously did that to confuse the issue and make it seem like they did it to both.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)Insinuating that Guccifer 2 had released "bad info" on the RNC despite the fact that the info wasn't directly from the RNC - it was what the DNC had on the RNC.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)That says it all, the Republicans are trying to stop leaks, not stop lying.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)On the committee were ever going to bully Sally Yates
She's a tough cookie, has been for decades
riversedge
(69,721 posts)Daniella Diaz
@DaniellaMicaela
Yates: "We believed General Flynn was compromised in respect to the Russians" http://snpy.tv/2psaHgo
May 8, 2017 2:26pm CDT
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)republicans are demonstrating once again that they have no loyalty to the USA.
Deplorable
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)FUCK YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL!!!
Blame the victim.
mnhtnbb
(31,319 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)re: getting clarification in writing regarding the report. Did Grassley forget these people are not in the current administration and they wouldn't have access anymore.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Brought up to McGann.
Why the lies were important.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)She said the experts within the NatSec so the WH would get the info to the WH.
Asks if her point was Flynn was seriously compromised. Yates says "logic would tell you" the Russians should not be in a position of leverage with Flynn.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Clapper says Comey said July 20.
blogslut
(37,955 posts)He is awful.
dchill
(38,321 posts)(Pig in a poke.)
gademocrat7
(10,623 posts)narnian60
(3,510 posts)anglesphere
(63 posts)Or was Pence in on the lying and the Trump admin let Flynn take the fall?
pkdu
(3,977 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Give the impression that Flynn needs to be prosecuted and the investigation is warranted, then let it lead to the inevitable result, implication of the whole rotten gang of Russian collaborators.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,319 posts)I did have to laugh, though, that Sally Yates has said several times that the WH Counsel wondered why
DOJ would care that one WH staffer might be lying to another WH staffer. Good grief. Lying is just SOP, I guess.
Why should anyone care?
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)Especially since we have not heard directly from her in the recent past.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Once again we have Republicans going into areas that do not move forward the investigation into Russian election interference.
Now Corwyn is spinning the truth about the unlawful Trump order.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,085 posts)Why is he even making that an issue?
Sorry, I'm just screaming out loud right now.
Wednesdays
(17,248 posts)So that whomever has taken over for O'Reilly has something to rant about all night.
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)Cornyn is a creep
LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)Trying to make this tRumputin treason about Susan Rice
This mess is all yours thuglicans ... ALL YOURS.
Susan Rice whose guilty of treason. Your boy tRumputin etc. was colluding and cavorting with the ruskies.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Decisions. Senator is trying to claim she said it was a "lawful" and she says it was not a lawful EO.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And he is asking for an independent investigation.
Meager resources and little support from the GOP.
qanda
(10,422 posts)NewRedDawn
(790 posts)instead of talking about treason is talking about immigration travel ban executive order! Like to smash that old Confederate bastard in his treasonous face,
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,459 posts)...partisan hack ass. Nice.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Pure political bs.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)There is a lot of going off topic for political reasons when we should be defending democracy from outside attacks.
VigilantG
(374 posts)That is right!!!
F u Cornyn!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Ouch
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Too bad the camera didn't cut to Cornyn when he did it.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Corwyn made the questions in the context of Obama, and Yates used it perfectly in relation to Trump, turned the table on him. Big burrrrnnnn.
3catwoman3
(23,814 posts)Cornyn is such a righteous jerk.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And hiring people after they were warned- they let him make high level decisions.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)This is SO inappropriate to hijack this hearing.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)barbtries
(28,702 posts)i suppose he'll be bringing up Benghazi as well?
i'm at work
Jno_Gilmor_
(127 posts)been a member of the Communist Party? He could easily play McCarthy in a Hollywood movie. He looks likes him, acts likes him, talks like him...
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)He wasn't born here so he is an illegal...
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Huma forwarding them to her husband. Oh brother.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)asses.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)You can set your watch by this asshole
Auggie
(31,061 posts)Dulcinea
(6,507 posts)He's so creepy & repulsive.
nolabear
(41,915 posts)Assholes! It just gives 45 something to rail about.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)They are obsessed with the dang emails. i thought this was about Flynn
tosh
(4,422 posts)I had to mute until he was off camera.
JenniferJuniper
(4,496 posts)Republicans care only about protecting Republicans. Not our democracy.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Cruz is using a hypothetical scenario and Clapper should just say, "I can't response to hypothetical scenarios."
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)blogslut
(37,955 posts)He is twice as awful as Cornyn.
GO BETO! http://www.betofortexas.com/
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)nolabear
(41,915 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Trying to slam her for the Trump travel ban.
Xipe Totec
(43,872 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)NewRedDawn
(790 posts)Again not worried about treason but worried about Yates role in killing Muslim Ban.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Has nothing to do with Flynn.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Poor boys, an intelligent girl shut them down, Buuurrrrrnnnnnn!
Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)nolabear
(41,915 posts)I like her more all the time.
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)where an EO had been INTENTIONALLY HIDDEN from the Attorney General before it was signed.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)VigilantG
(374 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)defending their own liars and attacking a woman who does her job as is her sworn duty.
atreides1
(16,046 posts)Especially Cruz...his father and wife were blatantly insulted by Trump, but just like the whipped animal that he's been all of his life...he went crawling to Trump!!!
All three are lower then whale excrement...and their attempts to steer the questioning in other directions, can be an indicator of their own collusion with the Russians.
We must remember that No chin Mitch knew about the Russians trying to hack the election...but was against releasing that information...Mitch, Grassley, and Cornyn go back a long way...
VigilantG
(374 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,085 posts)....and your wife was crazy.
But, please, proceed Senator.
Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)barbtries
(28,702 posts)i really wished i could listen.
Shell_Seas
(3,319 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)See if you can hear it here - https://www.c-span.org/networks/?channel=radio
barbtries
(28,702 posts)but i'll probably watch it on cspan.org when i get home tonight. i don't know though, when the republicans start their bullshit my BP starts to rise and sometimes i cannot stand it.
thanks for the link
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)especially when Schmuck Grassy and Carnival Cruz are on.
barbtries
(28,702 posts)here is some asshole, don't know who because i can't see, i believe you believe what you're saying...
they will destroy our democracy. never looking back, sleeping just fine every night. a bunch of sociopathic greedmeisters and warmongers.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And describes the difference. A journalist generally doesn't cross the line into disclosing classified information and details that would endanger the IC community.
Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)woodsprite
(11,853 posts)VigilantG
(374 posts)The importance of this investigation.
Trying to be objective!
Loved Klobuchar!
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Mother effer.
gademocrat7
(10,623 posts)Party over country, disgusting.
MFM008
(19,776 posts)Telling Yates shes not a member of the supreme court?
Duppers
(28,094 posts)I would be throwing my chair by now. She has the self-control of a "saint".
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)"I don't mean to wax too metaphysical here" Kennedy on constitutional determinations. "Who appointed you to the Supreme Court."
"I was not on the Supreme Court," Yates.
Link to tweet
Duppers
(28,094 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,085 posts)Anything to avoid the elephant in the room, I suppose.
chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)ban?
blogslut
(37,955 posts)I love her.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Comparable to the 1960s and the 1980s.
Agh, they are again asking them both if they ever leaked.
Clapper points out that "unclassified" info can't be leaked. LOL.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)Tell it!
stevil
(1,537 posts)"Well, unclassified is unclassified". Lol
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)oasis
(49,151 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)nolabear
(41,915 posts)womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)nolabear
(41,915 posts)Just pipped in for a sec but...damn!
elmac
(4,642 posts)and I'm one of millions eviscerating the fascists.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)"White House counsel did not understand?"
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)So he couldn't use that as a durable offense.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)as the cause for the delay in getting rid of Flynn.
meow2u3
(24,744 posts)Even Sally Yates replied, "I'm not touching that one!"
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)womanofthehills
(8,579 posts)Sen Franken says Trump didn't fire #Flynn b/c then he'd have to fire EVERYONE who secretly met #Russia
He's right!
Al Franken is getting it. The list of people who met/communicated with the Russians to discuss removing sanctions is quite long.
Silver Gaia
(4,514 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)"The need for a special prosecutor ... potential witnesses and targets ..." include highest officials in US government, including the VP.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)There has to be an independent investigation. She defends the DOJ as impartial. Should have asked about Sessions lies then.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Clapper says WH is far more invasive and thorough than the standard clearance . Can't say what process happened.
avebury
(10,946 posts)I like him quoting the various criminal codes that Flynn has violated.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)That is how direct the questions should be. Graham just wants to know how the story of the crime got to the WA Post, doesn't give a shit if Republicans sell out the whole damn country to Russia?
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)assholes
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)It's only the GOP deflecting with going after the leak of the info rather than the fact that Drumpf staffers including Flynn colluded with Russia.
The GOP wants to obviously go after Susan Rice.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Yeah the Muslim ban and leakers are all the GOPers are asking about. They suck.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Earlier said that in some cases the IC does that when they feel it's very relevant. They tried to talk over her as she explained that.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)1.) Harden elections systems
2.) Consider possible issues with news feeds
3.) Prosecute when possible
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)Alot of pushback from states when Jeh Johnson attempted to work with them on this.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Counter messaging is not aggressive enough.
Should be a separate entity from the IC community.
BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Clapper can't speak to how Trumps people handled it- previous admins had the FBI do a robust and invasive clearance.
And now he's hitting Yates on the Muslim ban. She is reiterating about upholding the law.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Likening it to France - same methods and sources.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,301 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)How did I miss that?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And they are working on legislation regarding that.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Of course, not spelling correctly is now synonymous with WhiteHouse