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Clapper just said our voting equipment should be considered "critical infrastructure" (Original Post) JudyM May 2017 OP
Then, sadly, it will rust, disintegrate, be defunded Golden Raisin May 2017 #1
I noticed that the French were using paper ballots... kentuck May 2017 #2
Definitely. If we want to make America great again, 1st thing should be state of the art voting JudyM May 2017 #3
Paper ballots are what saved their bacon.... Chakaconcarne May 2017 #4
and yet the dem leadership and many here are are complete denial about the machines. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #8
This +1000. It's very Stepford-like the way they all deny it diva77 May 2017 #9
Here? Since DU practically pioneered the issue of Diebold and black box voting after Bush vs Gore... Hekate May 2017 #10
yeah, there was a good reason why we were hacked on election day. mopinko May 2017 #16
What? Why are many here still trying to demean the older Dems? Since 2000 we have been crying nikibatts May 2017 #13
+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #15
It should be a trumpeted priority that the system needs fixing. JudyM May 2017 #18
DHS was saying that last summer when it came out that Russia had hacked a bunch of Amaryllis May 2017 #5
We could get around that by establishing a minimum standard to be met by each state. JudyM May 2017 #6
This is a damn fine point Nevernose May 2017 #7
Rethug administrations get everything organized locally the way they want it. It seems that Dems JudyM May 2017 #12
I heard an interview with Oregon SOS and he was very concerned that the Feds would Amaryllis May 2017 #17
Paper ballots and paper trail. Please. Hekate May 2017 #11
Absolutely paper ballots! Optical scanner for preliminary results csziggy May 2017 #14
Republicans and oligarchs moondust May 2017 #19

Golden Raisin

(4,608 posts)
1. Then, sadly, it will rust, disintegrate, be defunded
Mon May 8, 2017, 06:20 PM
May 2017

and fall apart like our bridges, highways, tunnels, railroads, etc.

kentuck

(111,076 posts)
2. I noticed that the French were using paper ballots...
Mon May 8, 2017, 06:22 PM
May 2017

and it appeared to be working quite well.

We need to get away from computer voting.

JudyM

(29,225 posts)
3. Definitely. If we want to make America great again, 1st thing should be state of the art voting
Mon May 8, 2017, 08:06 PM
May 2017

and that means get the hell away from nonfunctioning, nonauditable, partisan hack-owned and hackable equipment. Let's go retro, and revive paper universally.

Chakaconcarne

(2,439 posts)
4. Paper ballots are what saved their bacon....
Mon May 8, 2017, 08:20 PM
May 2017

Paper is our only hope to reduce the possibility of fouled elections.

diva77

(7,639 posts)
9. This +1000. It's very Stepford-like the way they all deny it
Tue May 9, 2017, 01:57 AM
May 2017

what could possibly be behind the rampant denial??

Hekate

(90,633 posts)
10. Here? Since DU practically pioneered the issue of Diebold and black box voting after Bush vs Gore...
Tue May 9, 2017, 02:36 AM
May 2017

.... I'd say the old-timers, at the very least, are woke on the issue.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
13. What? Why are many here still trying to demean the older Dems? Since 2000 we have been crying
Tue May 9, 2017, 09:26 AM
May 2017

about the machines. AND we voted in 2016 for the best candidate.

JudyM

(29,225 posts)
18. It should be a trumpeted priority that the system needs fixing.
Tue May 9, 2017, 01:31 PM
May 2017

Are any congresscritters even working up a bill? I haven't read anything .... hard to fathom why they would still be sitting back on this.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
5. DHS was saying that last summer when it came out that Russia had hacked a bunch of
Mon May 8, 2017, 08:48 PM
May 2017

voter reg databases but got a lot of pushback from state SOS who don't want the feds controlling their elections.

JudyM

(29,225 posts)
6. We could get around that by establishing a minimum standard to be met by each state.
Mon May 8, 2017, 09:47 PM
May 2017

The existing situation is absurd. We should have addressed this when we had the presidency and majorities in both houses... why do you suppose we didn't?

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
7. This is a damn fine point
Mon May 8, 2017, 09:51 PM
May 2017

And also a reason that we need to work harder in non-presidential years. We've let our state political systems go to hell while focusing on the "big" races. The state and local levels are where democracy lives or dies.

JudyM

(29,225 posts)
12. Rethug administrations get everything organized locally the way they want it. It seems that Dems
Tue May 9, 2017, 09:20 AM
May 2017

locally aren't focused much on the mechanics of the election beyond canvassing to get out the vote. That's been my experience with it, anyway. We need to retake more SOS positions as well as state legislatures, pronto. And sit on those who hold those offices to hold them to account.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
17. I heard an interview with Oregon SOS and he was very concerned that the Feds would
Tue May 9, 2017, 01:10 PM
May 2017

mess up what in Oregon is for the most part a very good system. There are some legit concerns. AND we desperately need more secure systems.

csziggy

(34,135 posts)
14. Absolutely paper ballots! Optical scanner for preliminary results
Tue May 9, 2017, 09:29 AM
May 2017

Verified by hand counts. Even better if the optical scanners have software that allows checking by government and other objective groups. No more software that is controlled by private corporations with no outside audits.

State laws that prevent audits should be thrown out - why hasn't anyone sued in Michigan where so many voting machines were broken, where there was clear evidence that there were problems with the count, and where state law STOPS recounts if there are problems?

moondust

(19,972 posts)
19. Republicans and oligarchs
Tue May 9, 2017, 01:38 PM
May 2017

like it just the way it is, I presume. Soon to be rigged in all but a handful of states.

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