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herding cats

(19,527 posts)
Tue May 9, 2017, 11:50 AM May 2017

The ACLU Is Warning Americans That Thanks To Republicans Its Not Safe To Travel In Texas

The ACLU has issued a travel alert warning Americans that they can anticipate having their constitutional rights violated if they travel to Texas.

The ACLU has issued a travel alert warning Americans that they can anticipate having their constitutional rights violated if they travel to Texas.

In a statement provided to PoliticusUSA, the ACLU announced the travel warning:

The American Civil Liberties Union issued a “travel alert” today informing anyone planning to travel to Texas in the near future to anticipate the possible violation of their constitutional rights when stopped by law enforcement.

The alert comes amid the passing of a Texas law known as SB4. The law gives a green light to police officers in the state to investigate a person’s immigration status during a routine traffic stop, leading to widespread racial profiling, baseless scrutiny, and illegal arrests of citizens and non-citizens alike presumed to be “foreign” based on how they look or sound. The travel alert applies to all travelers to Texas, including U.S. travelers from other states and U.S. citizens. In addition, this alert applies to all encounters with federal, state, county law enforcement including local police and sheriffs.

The message is clear. Texas is not a safe place for you and your constitutional liberties to travel.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/05/09/aclu-warning-americans-republicans-safe-travel-texas.html


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The ACLU Is Warning Americans That Thanks To Republicans Its Not Safe To Travel In Texas (Original Post) herding cats May 2017 OP
I guess I need to carry my passport with me. Demtexan May 2017 #1
I guess I can't ever visit my family meow2u3 May 2017 #4
I would stay out of Texas for awhile. Demtexan May 2017 #5
Last time I was in Texas was in 2003, about a month after my mom passed away meow2u3 May 2017 #9
The cities and their counties went blue in the last election. Demtexan May 2017 #11
There's quite a bit more to see. cloudbase May 2017 #34
There is no one document that proves you're a US Citizen ... aggiesal May 2017 #14
Our local police chief is baffled by this LeftInTX May 2017 #38
I'm willing to bet that ... aggiesal May 2017 #41
I don't worry for me.. cannabis_flower May 2017 #19
I was born in Tyler, Texas, christx30 May 2017 #30
North Carolina lost over 3.7 BILLION dollars because of their bathroom bill. Perhaps that's what still_one May 2017 #2
Exactly. An economic boycott. Change the venues LuckyLib May 2017 #25
Texas has all kinds of business and industry conventions throughout the year still_one May 2017 #27
+1000 aeromanKC May 2017 #33
I see a major lawsuit in Texas' future meow2u3 May 2017 #3
From my twitter feed Gothmog May 2017 #6
Thank you. herding cats May 2017 #8
You are very welcomed Gothmog May 2017 #22
From the ACLU Gothmog May 2017 #7
What about living in Texas???? LeftInTX May 2017 #39
I grew up in Texas. It is a shadow of what it used to be... AgadorSparticus May 2017 #10
I lived in the Hill Country/San Antonio area from 5th to 11th grade. argyl May 2017 #23
I grew up in the Rio Grande Valley. Much like you: 6th grade through college AgadorSparticus May 2017 #32
K&R! Mountain Mule May 2017 #12
My daughter just bought house in San Antonio marlakay May 2017 #13
I stopped vacationing in Florida when a correlation between vehicles driven and road aggression made TheBlackAdder May 2017 #15
In the 1990s SCVDem May 2017 #24
I remember Enterprise removing their 'e' stickers because people knew they were probably tourists. TheBlackAdder May 2017 #26
Road rage is an issue in Texas, but it is more about who has the biggest, fastest truck LeftInTX May 2017 #40
That's interesting. You didn't want to "Roll some coal" with the rest of them? TheBlackAdder May 2017 #42
who do the fuk you think you are , the gestapo? AllaN01Bear May 2017 #16
Ya, und ve must zee your papers. nt El Mimbreno May 2017 #18
trumps EO gave local police this authority. police here will even stop walkers, bike riders. Sunlei May 2017 #17
The Texas of LBJ, Ann Richards, Molly Ivins dalton99a May 2017 #20
Koch money is power , power corrupts , absolute power corrupts absolutely . This country is going geretogo May 2017 #21
So Republicans, how's that "no big government" thing working for you? Initech May 2017 #28
It would be very funny if Native American cops pulled over European-Americans IronLionZion May 2017 #29
I am a sixth generation Texan currently living in San Antonio. hamsterjill May 2017 #31
hasn't that always been the case? Skittles May 2017 #35
K&R Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2017 #36
K & R beam me up scottie May 2017 #37
K&R Scurrilous May 2017 #43

Demtexan

(1,588 posts)
1. I guess I need to carry my passport with me.
Tue May 9, 2017, 11:56 AM
May 2017

I am white so it might be ok for me.

I worry about smart phones being taken.

meow2u3

(24,733 posts)
4. I guess I can't ever visit my family
Tue May 9, 2017, 12:10 PM
May 2017

Most of them live in Texas and I'd be pulled over and humiliated for having out-of-state plates.

meow2u3

(24,733 posts)
9. Last time I was in Texas was in 2003, about a month after my mom passed away
Tue May 9, 2017, 12:20 PM
May 2017

And that was to bring my mom's car to my niece, who inherited it.

I don't plan on even passing through any time soon. BTW, I used to live in Texas and now live in PA.

Demtexan

(1,588 posts)
11. The cities and their counties went blue in the last election.
Tue May 9, 2017, 12:35 PM
May 2017

My county and some other counties went straight blue.
All down ticket.

We tried.

I think things will turn around with health care mess.

Other then Austin and San Antonio there is not much to visit.






aggiesal

(8,824 posts)
14. There is no one document that proves you're a US Citizen ...
Tue May 9, 2017, 12:40 PM
May 2017

US Passport is good, but they do issue them to non-citizens for special purposes.
Plus many people don't even acquire a US Passport, because they're hardly ever needed.
I haven't had a valid US Passport since 2001.

Birth Certificate is good as well, but you could immigrate to another country, give up your US Citizenship to
acquire your new country's citizenship, thus making your US birth certificate null.

We are literally not issued a document that states we are US Citizens.

Papeles por favor!

LeftInTX

(24,278 posts)
38. Our local police chief is baffled by this
Wed May 10, 2017, 08:05 PM
May 2017

Most of the state's police chiefs and sheriffs were against this bill.

Really I think the only way to determine whether someone is a citizen is with a bit of an investigation. That is why this "Show me your papers" is a bunch of crap. It will either lead to racial profiling or requiring each and every person to carry some sort of "proof of citizenship".

aggiesal

(8,824 posts)
41. I'm willing to bet that ...
Thu May 11, 2017, 08:54 AM
May 2017

most of the Police Chiefs and Sheriffs voted in the GOP
in control of the Texas state government.

What did they expect was going to happen?

Also, I believe that Cheetolini will institute an RFID chip for all citizens.
That will be our "proof of citizenship".

California drivers license already has a magnetic strip on the back with
all kinds of pertinent information, including a digitized image of our
thumb print.

cannabis_flower

(3,760 posts)
19. I don't worry for me..
Tue May 9, 2017, 01:22 PM
May 2017

but for my Honduran husband on TPS status. I need to remind him to carry his work permit and Texas State ID with him at all times. I'm pretty sure he does but still I'm going to remind him.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
30. I was born in Tyler, Texas,
Tue May 9, 2017, 02:41 PM
May 2017

but I'm Hispanic. You better believe I carry a driver's license and social security card at all times. These are scary times.

still_one

(91,575 posts)
2. North Carolina lost over 3.7 BILLION dollars because of their bathroom bill. Perhaps that's what
Tue May 9, 2017, 12:06 PM
May 2017

needs to happen in Texas.

Actions should have consequences

meow2u3

(24,733 posts)
3. I see a major lawsuit in Texas' future
Tue May 9, 2017, 12:09 PM
May 2017

Last time I checked, local law enforcement cannot be compelled to enforce Federal law. Isn't that known as the anti-commandeering clause?
IANAL, but it doesn't seem as if a state can compel local law enforcement to enforce harsh immigration laws.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
10. I grew up in Texas. It is a shadow of what it used to be...
Tue May 9, 2017, 12:31 PM
May 2017

This is terrible. This breaks my heart. C'mooooon, Texas. You can do better.

argyl

(3,064 posts)
23. I lived in the Hill Country/San Antonio area from 5th to 11th grade.
Tue May 9, 2017, 01:38 PM
May 2017

I just loved it. The Mexicans there were not a persecuted minority but an essential part of the community. No prejudice meant,they called themselves Mexican and expected us to do the same. They would refer to us as Anglos.
There were German, Czech, Polish and Italians who came to form their own communities after receiving land grants. They came without slaves and were vehemently opposed to slavery. Needless to say they didn't fit in well with slave holding Southerners and there were lynchings in the Civil War era. And even in the 60's they kept part of their culture. I attended a number of events where the food was sausage and sauerkraut accompanied by accordions playing polka.
But I'd come to the area from suburban Houston. I thought everyone was white. And I was fascinated with my new classmates and soon grew to love them dearly.
Mexican Homecoming Queens, Head Cheerleaders, Anglo Homecoming Kings wth Mexican Homecoming Queens and vice versa, all normal. And none of the Mexican kids I knew were undocumented. Same for their parents.
I didn't accept them, I loved them. As did most other students.
There were Anglos who didn't like Mexicans and Mexicans who didn't like Anglos but they were in a very small minority. It was a special place, almost magical to my young mind, a place where a special melange of people could live in peace as neighbors.
And then I moved to the Dallas area.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
32. I grew up in the Rio Grande Valley. Much like you: 6th grade through college
Tue May 9, 2017, 02:54 PM
May 2017

And I had the same experience. I don't remember such racism and bigotry growing up between the Mexicans and the whites. Everyone just got along. And I am Asian. Hell, at times, I even felt like I was a Mexican too. I don't remember anyone being documented or undocumented. Just kids that were gone for certain seasons because they were migrant workers.

I guess those days are long gone.

I can only imagine what Dallas must have been like. Dallas felt like it was on another planet to me as it was SO FAR away from the RGV. I got a primer when I got to college.

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
12. K&R!
Tue May 9, 2017, 12:36 PM
May 2017

I have Native American blood from my father's side of the family. My Dad had deep brown eyes and black hair, and people would sometimes assume that he was Hispanic. I inherited his coloring and I tan as soon as I spend more than a half hour out-of-doors. Years ago I was traveling in south Texas and got stopped by la migra. They questioned me for almost two hours despite the fact that I am a US citizen and had all the proper ID. Sounds like Texas has actually become worse these days. I won't be traveling there again anytime soon.

marlakay

(11,311 posts)
13. My daughter just bought house in San Antonio
Tue May 9, 2017, 12:37 PM
May 2017

Hubby in air force 4 more years then they plan to stay there. I promised to visit in the fall.

Since I am Caucasian I probably won't have a problem especially staying with Lt Colonel in AF. Everything is all military in Texas.

Daughter loves it there, says people nice.

But she sees it through veil of being treated like royalty.

They are in north Texas now. Personally used to west coast and hills, mountains and trees I couldn't live there. And thats without the crazy politics.

TheBlackAdder

(27,942 posts)
15. I stopped vacationing in Florida when a correlation between vehicles driven and road aggression made
Tue May 9, 2017, 12:44 PM
May 2017

.


I would vacation, with the Family, at least once or twice a year while visiting extended family. We would spend, on average $5-7K a year taking in all of the sights, restaurants, attractions, and shopping. Now, that's completely cut off. We have not been down to Florida in 3 years, and I avoid most Red(neck) states.


I found it odd that some times I would get people flipping me off, cutting me off, and tailgating and other times not.


After about 5 years, of this shit, the solid case was made that it was the vehicles driven. If I drove down in my own car, or got a rental car that had out of state tags on it, the Floridians would treat us like shit. If I got a rental with Florida tags, we were completely left alone. The third year of this is when I started to piece together this phenomenon. I noted the car, which was always about the same, my driving style which didn't change, and whether the car had Florida plates or not. the only variable was the Florida plates, because the places traveled were all about the same too.


I can only assume that many people in Florida carry firearms, while many out-of-staters would not.

This feeling of superiority seems to be the driving force of their behavior. They fucked with us because they could. They knew we weren't carrying, and if we tried to start shit, they had their equalizer ready to go, and the laws to justify it.


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SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
24. In the 1990s
Tue May 9, 2017, 01:40 PM
May 2017

Rental cars even with Florida plates would remove all stickers identifying them as a rental.

I recall it was over a LEO shooting in Liberty City. Guess where I got lost in?

LeftInTX

(24,278 posts)
40. Road rage is an issue in Texas, but it is more about who has the biggest, fastest truck
Wed May 10, 2017, 08:13 PM
May 2017

I finally got handicapped plates and I found that the yahoos have gotten better.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
17. trumps EO gave local police this authority. police here will even stop walkers, bike riders.
Tue May 9, 2017, 01:14 PM
May 2017

People are now afraid to call the police for help.

Others are emboldened to call police on their 'neighbors' so when police come to their home everyone gets asked to show ID.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
21. Koch money is power , power corrupts , absolute power corrupts absolutely . This country is going
Tue May 9, 2017, 01:31 PM
May 2017

down to the point of no return without a violent up rising .

Initech

(99,791 posts)
28. So Republicans, how's that "no big government" thing working for you?
Tue May 9, 2017, 01:46 PM
May 2017

You created an even bigger government, assholes!

IronLionZion

(45,041 posts)
29. It would be very funny if Native American cops pulled over European-Americans
Tue May 9, 2017, 02:34 PM
May 2017

just to see if they had their papers. I doubt many good old boys have papers.

I went to Texas about a month ago and took my passport.

hamsterjill

(15,168 posts)
31. I am a sixth generation Texan currently living in San Antonio.
Tue May 9, 2017, 02:50 PM
May 2017

I don't even recognize my beloved Texas at times these days.

Make no mistake, please. There are many, many, MANY of us down here working hard to change this state. We just haven't been able to make the changes yet, but don't give up on us. We're not giving up ourselves.

As stated up-post, I hope the idiots who passed this measure will feel the economic kick in the ass from this.

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