I talked to a former senior intelligence official about the way Trump fired Comey...

[DonViejo]

Link to tweet

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/like-the-horse-head-in-the-bed-ex-intel-officer-says-trump-fired-comey-to-send-a-message-to-fbi/

[Wednesdays]

1. Do any of you think the FBI is intimidated by this?

I don't.

[spooky3]

3. Do they have more job protections than did Comey?

I think they are covered by the civil service but someone here surely knows more.

[marybourg]

26. Yes. Comey was a political appointment.

Agents are Federal employees with civil service protections.

[spooky3]

29. Thanks!

[Blue_Roses]

4. No. In fact, I think they are more pissed off than ever

now. They see what the "commander-in-chief", is and I'm sure they know that the job and duty to this country is more important than ever and a lot is riding on them to continue.

[Squinch]

7. How pissed off are they really? Don't forget that they were sabotaging Hillary during the

election and high fiving Giuliani.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. That was a FACTION in the NY office, and not even all agents there.

Most FBI employees are very dedicated loyal truly patriotic citizens. Any barrel has some bad apples, but it doesn't spoil the barrel.

[George II]

19. Exactly. A few bad apples in the Big Apple. For the most part FBI agents and employees are....

....loyal Americans, and they do their job, politics notwithstanding.

If that was meant to send a warning it probably fell on deaf ears, and he's pissing off the wrong people.

[Blue_Roses]

14. That was the NY field office

that carried that water. Giuliani's crew.

[Squinch]

17. Yes, but I haven't seen any ramifications for those who are, as you say, Giuliani's crew.

The organization as a whole did not do anything to prevent that from happening again. Doesn't seem like they objected to it all that hard.

[Blue_Roses]

21. How do you know they haven't done anything

to those who did that? As a matter of fact, there is an ongoing investigation into their actions and also, there are many facits to the FBI. The ones working on the Russia case are all part of a counterterroism task force that is completely different from the NY office. We are never going to know the under belly of how the FBI comes to their conclusions, but believe me, they are always on to something and it usually doesn't happen over night.

[Squinch]

24. What makes you say there is an ongoing investigation into their actions?

[LanternWaste]

43. Begs the question

Begs the question, what specifically (and objectively) leads you to believe there is none?

[Squinch]

48. The fact that there has never been a mention of it or evidence of it. If the poster is going to

assert that there IS an investigation, they must be basing that on some seen evidence, of which there seems to be none.

[Yavin4]

5. I think that some of them will be intimidated.

These are folks with years invested in their careers. They cannot pick up and go some where else.

[Alice11111]

44. I think they can. Many law firms want them for more $$$.

Even TV consultants. I bet Comey triples his income on the outside. Plus, the book deals, eventually. Stuff is still classified right now.

Plus, state prosecutor's offices, elected offices, or start up, law or consulting. They have way more really good options than the average person who gets fired, unless they really have a bad reputation. Look at Flynn, fired for being bad, and if he would have learned his lesson, and gone clean, he would be in a good position now.

Guess a lesson to some, bad guys rarely go clean and change their stripes...DT, Kushner's Enterprises (I tried to give Jared a chance, as I thought he was pretty sharp, could modetate DT, and he had learned a lot from his father's mistakes...in spite of the outrageous nepotism), Flynn, Christie, Price....

[Hekate]

35. Nice image

[Alice11111]

45. I hope so! Every FBI agent won't see it the same, but I

Wish at least the Washington Bureau would double down.
There was a plan to consolidate the investigation there. It may have played into DT'S fear that led to poor judgment in firing Comey now. I wonder what will happen to that plan?

[Alice11111]

42. Well, according to Elijah Cummings, Comey himself was intimidated

By the Repubs, and he believes it led to some of his strange actions and statements.

[kentuck]

2. That's going to go viral!

"Like a horse head in the bed"

[oasis]

6. That kind of shit doesn't fly with FBI types.

Trump thinks he can operate as he did when he was running his real estate empire.

[leftyladyfrommo]

8. That is exactly what he is doing.

I worked in real estate for 35 years and this is what happens when a new boss comes in. They get rid of everyone from the previous team because they want all loyal, ra re team players.

I have seen this so many times. People who have been loyal employees for years are just out the door.

It is sickening. Happens all the time.

[Mr.Bill]

10. It happens in the car business, too.

A new general manager will bring about an 80% change in the sales staff. Some of it voluntary, some not.

[oasis]

13. "He serves no one, including the American people".

That's what Rep. Adam Schiff had to say about Trump today in an interview on CNN.

[Honeycombe8]

9. I agree. It was so unprofessional and mean that it was obviously personal.

Intended to hurt him personally and hurt his career.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. tRump is on record saying he gets back at people "five times over" what they did to him.

Childish (arrested development), petty, psychopathic, narcissistic behavior.

[Alice11111]

46. Melania said several times, "he will get you back 10x over."

What a great campaign line for your wife! Hey, the vindictive AHs came out of the woodwork for him...sock it to the Dems.

I assumed that was his stated philosophy. The number is obviously irrelevant. It's the mob mentality and vindictive mindset, like that is always a justifiable priority. Forget integrity, judgment, compassion, honesty.... Never mentioned by Melania.

[Justice]

15. Totally agree that is why Trump did it as he did.

My husband said of Trump giving Comey kiss when he met him in WH - remember, the mob always kissed the guy they were planning to off.

[Alice11111]

47. I totally thought that too.

[L. Coyote]

16. Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice. Comey investigating Trump/co-conspirators for Hatch Act violations.

Truth-suppressing acts by co-conspirators Sessions, Flynn, Kushner create liable for Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice. 18 U.S.C. §§ 1621 to 1623 -- Given perjury, subornation of perjury, false declarations, the assertion of a false affirmative statement by an individual testifying under oath accompanied by other obstructive, evasive testimony, such as a false denial of knowledge or memory, an offense may exist. 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 372--conspiracies to commit any offense against the United States, or to prevent or retaliate in response to the lawful discharge of the duties of Federal officers ...

18 U.S. Code § 1505 - Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees

..... Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—

Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

[mikki35]

18. LOL!

I simply cannot imagine anything more guaranteed to motivate the FBI to pull out all the stops to pursue the case against the jerk who did it. He did it in the rudest, most disrespectful, malicious way he could. Then he lied. A LOT. About why he did it. He's demonstrated nothing but massive disrespect for all intelligence agencies since Day #1. I would bet large on them dismantling him.

[Blue_Roses]

22. I agree.

They are a close-knit group who depend on each other for their life at times. Whether they like their boss or not, this is a slap in the face to ALL of them.

[moondust]

20. Agree.

"horse head in the bed"

Any questions, investigators?

[zentrum]

23. Yes, that's how I

...saw it. A message. Eric Holder better send them more tweets about courage, and country.

[BigmanPigman]

25. This is exactly what they did in San Diego Schools in 1998 and it worked.

We got a new Super and Chancellor (both known corrupt crooks) and they did this to 17 school principals the first week of school. They had to empty their desks out under security and on local news. Everyone was scared shitless and fell in line like Nazi Germany. It lasted 7 years and 1/3 of the veteran teachers left. It has never been the same. It broke the union too, of course.

[BeyondGeography]

27. Amazingly, this is turning out worse than working for Hillary

[MedusaX]

28. 45 missed the window for "new boss" acts of intimidation to be effective

If he had fired Comey like that on or about
Jan 20...
Then yeah it probably would have been an effective form of messaging...

But 100+ days in ..
with all the crap he has pulled & incompetencies revealed..

Nah...
it may not be today or tomorrow ...
when 45 comes face to face with the realization that he intimidated no one
But at some point, he will ...

[Turbineguy]

30. Most others will not be as easy to fire as the Director.

[PubliusEnigma]

31. This is much like when Ned Stark lost his head.

Last edited Wed May 10, 2017, 09:03 PM - Edit history (1)

Like Stark, Comey was the most powerful holdover from the previous Administration and was seen as a threat by the Usurper.

Trump has many parallels to Joffrey if you think about it.

[Lee-Lee]

32. Except he can't just fire regular FBI agents

The director is a political appointee. Regular agents are not and have a pretty strong civil service protection just for protecting them from undo political meddling.

[Ilsa]

34. Were the attorneys in the Justice Dept

career people, or political appointees? I'm thinking I heard they were career, but DFT still fired 46 of them.

[Lee-Lee]

36. They are appointees

It's pretty routine for a new administration to replace them.

[niyad]

38. but not in the way this tinpot wannabe emperor palpatine did.

[Lee-Lee]

39. Might want to look at 1993

The new Clinton Administration demanded the resignation of all 93 US attorneys at once.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/24/us/attorney-general-seeks-resignations-from-prosecutors.html

[niyad]

41. we understand exactly what is going on

[niyad]

40. KO: The Intel Community and the Slow Death of Trump's Presidency Does Trump see what's going on here

http://video.gq.com/watch/the-closer-with-keith-olbermann-the-intel-community-and-the-slow-death-of-trump-s-presidency?c=series