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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:42 PM May 2017

Mensch: first Trump-related arrest POSSIBLE tomorrow. May 11.

Last edited Thu May 11, 2017, 12:11 AM - Edit history (2)

Meanwhile, John Schindler says the "Lizard" is coming tomorrow. (Apparently the Lizards were a rightwing resistance group during the Nazi occupation of Poland.)

So the date is only a possibility at this point. But the ground seems to be shaking. We shall see.

https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/11/httppatribotics-blog20170511exclusive-comey-day-first-trump-russia-arrests-possible-tomorrow/

Two separate sources with links to the intelligence community say that the first arrests in the criminal and counter-intelligence probe will shortly take place, possibly as soon as Thursday, May 11th.

Following the unconstitutional dismissal of FBI Director James Comey, which Donald Trump both explicitly linked to his own investigation for criminal collusion in Russia’s hacking of the American election, US and State Attorbut neys General are, intelligence sources say, about to make their move.

Sources confirm the exclusive reporting of Claude Taylor on Twitter that the majority of sealed indictments have been handed down in the Southern District of New York, with four sealed indictments in the Eastern District of Virginia. CNN – while wrongfully claiming an exclusive on both Taylor’s original news breaking and the first mainstream reporter to cover the news, Keith Olbermann – nonetheless confirmed last night, Tuesday, May 9th, that subpoenas were issued from the Eastern District of Virginia against associates of General Flynn.

Senator Markey announced on CNN that a Grand Jury had been empaneled in New York and cited this blog. I referred to a probably linked document from the Southern District of New York in my last piece, which reported as fact that no fewer than six separate FISA warrants had been issued in the Trump-Russia probe, but I am able to report tonight as fact both that my own sources, who are independent of Mr. Taylor’s sources, confirm multiple sealed indictments delivered at State Grand Jury level in the Southern District of New York, and that intelligence sources also believe that the first arrests in Trump Russia will shortly be announced and may come as quickly as tomorrow.

For the sake of clarity, I still cannot report anything further than a probability on the linking of a civil document in the New York case to the indictments that have been obtained in New York under RICO. People familiar with the matter speculate that General Flynn may be among the first people arrested but they do not confirm the news.

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Mensch: first Trump-related arrest POSSIBLE tomorrow. May 11. (Original Post) pnwmom May 2017 OP
I saw the tweets, but didn't understand them. LOL Ilsa May 2017 #1
Jim Morrison is returning from the dead Nevernose May 2017 #12
"It may take a week and it may take longer..." BigmanPigman May 2017 #32
Patience is the next big life skill you will conquer. You will be more powerful & happier then. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #48
I think it could be 2 years b4 it's over, one way or another. McConnell, Hatch, Cruz, Ryan...will Alice11111 May 2017 #66
With the FBI in hyper mode, I think it will be very soon womanofthehills May 2017 #86
I hust hope he is right. The NY office did that to Clinton. Alice11111 May 2017 #89
I am the lizard king. I can do anything. Lucky Luciano May 2017 #39
Morrison faked his death...ray manzerik told me so in his book.... Docreed2003 May 2017 #54
These people have been right all along mcar May 2017 #2
Something always coming tomorrow with Mensch Norbert9 May 2017 #3
She has never predicated an arrest on a particular day. She HAS reported other things correctly, pnwmom May 2017 #5
agree iluvtennis May 2017 #49
Yes, she is often in investgative reporter mode. Not timid about throwing out the truth either Alice11111 May 2017 #67
Well. No arrests. Norbert9 May 2017 #84
She said "possibly" as soon as today. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #85
And it is usually does - she has been so right. womanofthehills May 2017 #87
The firing was not Unconstitutional NewRedDawn May 2017 #4
It was not unconstitutional. But it would be impeachable if we had an ethical Congress. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #6
Exactly! NewRedDawn May 2017 #8
Exactly 2! iluvtennis May 2017 #50
Ethics? From the corporate business men who've proven shady histories of taking apart Lyricalinklines May 2017 #22
Right. Thanks for making it clear, elleng May 2017 #18
It may well have been an impeachable offense Mr. Ected May 2017 #20
True...but... Wounded Bear May 2017 #37
You do not seem to grasp what "abuse of power" means jberryhill May 2017 #47
Well said! Blue_Roses May 2017 #69
Someone on Reddit said 'The Lizard' is Polish Intelligence. Ace Rothstein May 2017 #7
It goes back farther than that... Docreed2003 May 2017 #56
I will have a great sleep tonight, knowing that the NCjack May 2017 #9
I'm sorry to ruin your sleep, but Cheetolinni, tavalon May 2017 #27
I think he will spend the entire night on Twitter. nt NCjack May 2017 #28
We'll see tavalon May 2017 #29
There must be thousands of tweet replies to him per day awesomerwb May 2017 #78
'possible' melman May 2017 #10
Of course. former9thward May 2017 #13
She says it will happen soon, and possibly tomorrow. And she was right about the first FISA pnwmom May 2017 #16
Yes, she did iluvtennis May 2017 #51
Louise has been so right on and Malcolm Nance weighing in too - womanofthehills May 2017 #60
You place great in your own faith-based prophecy, as well. LanternWaste May 2017 #74
Yes 'I place great' melman May 2017 #82
So is tonight Fitzmas Eve? Sedona May 2017 #11
Don't hope for too many presents. former9thward May 2017 #14
Fitzmas will be cancelled brettdale May 2017 #15
She was right about something important many DUers got wrong. pnwmom May 2017 #17
Logic doesn't follow TimeToGo May 2017 #33
Cryptic. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #35
Exactly... Docreed2003 May 2017 #58
I keep hearing that but haven't run into a link on that. pnwmom May 2017 #59
Sadly, no pnwmom...I don't... Docreed2003 May 2017 #63
Thanks! pnwmom May 2017 #64
Dr. Dena Greyson says Cheffetz is now DEALING womanofthehills May 2017 #65
I guess Clinton got it wrong also.... former9thward May 2017 #73
I think so many presents will be coming in the next months womanofthehills May 2017 #62
It's fun to pretend we know what other should or should not hope for. LanternWaste May 2017 #71
Oops. GOP not having a good day in Annapolis. Kingofalldems May 2017 #83
Oops. former9thward May 2017 #88
You can always tell ThingsGottaChange May 2017 #53
Me too! Blue_Roses May 2017 #70
Yeah, all I got was a broken Scooter. Coventina May 2017 #72
"exclusive reporting of Claude Taylor on Twitter" frankieallen May 2017 #19
This is a new world. pnwmom May 2017 #21
Claude Taylor has been spot on too, Twitter breaks news and weeks or months later MSM follows. sarcasmo May 2017 #23
Yup...he tweeted that he had heard about the grand juries (long before MSM) rainbow4321 May 2017 #68
Thanks for this post -very insightful iluvtennis May 2017 #52
Most interesting: STATE LEVEL GRAND JURY + RICO Indictments + CIVIL document linked MedusaX May 2017 #24
A sitting President could be named as an unindicted co-conspirator. pnwmom May 2017 #25
EXCLUSIVE: IC sources: First #TrumpRussia arrests soon 'possibly tomorrow' L. Coyote May 2017 #26
Oh -- I hadn't seen that second tweet. Hope that's right! n/t pnwmom May 2017 #36
More low level mobsters ? If true "imminient arrests" could be anyone. nocalflea May 2017 #30
"Flynn associates" might indicate the conspiracy to kidnap on behalf ot Turkey's dictator. L. Coyote May 2017 #34
Do you think Woolsey is dirty ? nocalflea May 2017 #43
No. He reported the informattion because he knew it was crinimal. L. Coyote May 2017 #44
Thank you. That was the sane answer I was looking for. nocalflea May 2017 #45
I Hope That This Is True CitizenZero May 2017 #31
That's what I like about living on the west coast. pnwmom May 2017 #38
Not getting my hopes up... Wounded Bear May 2017 #40
Yup. That's how they do it. They can catch some small fish at first. Need to start somewhere. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #41
But they are patient... Wounded Bear May 2017 #42
I wouldn't be surprised if they started on some of this long before the campaign even. pnwmom May 2017 #46
Oh yeah, I expect some action this summer...nt Wounded Bear May 2017 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author brettdale May 2017 #55
Neither Claude nor Louise are anonymous -- like you, me, or most DUers. They are willing pnwmom May 2017 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author brettdale May 2017 #61
I hope and pray he is right. I feel like democracy is hanging in the balance. AgadorSparticus May 2017 #75
My popcorn is ready and waiting. L. Coyote May 2017 #76
They lost me with leftynyc May 2017 #77
Wouldn't it be illegal if proven it was obstruction of justice? Satch59 May 2017 #80
That's almost impossible to prove leftynyc May 2017 #81

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
12. Jim Morrison is returning from the dead
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:05 PM
May 2017

Or at least that's what I gather from "The Lizard" tweet.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
32. "It may take a week and it may take longer..."
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:03 AM
May 2017

I hope it doesn't take that long though. I'm really starting to lose it.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
48. Patience is the next big life skill you will conquer. You will be more powerful & happier then.
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:04 AM
May 2017

This whole tRumpian nightmare is not over and may prove to be the path to your new capability.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
66. I think it could be 2 years b4 it's over, one way or another. McConnell, Hatch, Cruz, Ryan...will
Thu May 11, 2017, 03:43 AM
May 2017

Fight to the death and delay over every inane detail. Look at how doggedly obstructionist they were w Obama, and outrageously agressive going after Hillary.

I used to to think,it would be EZ, given the level of corruption. We have a 5-4 Supreme now, which gives them a long leach

womanofthehills

(8,702 posts)
86. With the FBI in hyper mode, I think it will be very soon
Thu May 11, 2017, 07:13 PM
May 2017

Malcolm Nance on FBI "These guys are bloodhounds" - Love it!!!!!!!





Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
54. Morrison faked his death...ray manzerik told me so in his book....
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:32 AM
May 2017

Lol

Let's just hope that "This is the End, my Friend"

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
5. She has never predicated an arrest on a particular day. She HAS reported other things correctly,
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:55 PM
May 2017

sometimes months before the MSM.

 

NewRedDawn

(790 posts)
4. The firing was not Unconstitutional
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:50 PM
May 2017

It was wrong and stupid. And Trump did it to save his fat ass. But a president can fire a FBI director anytime. Yes, it was done because Comey had the goods on the traitor.

Lyricalinklines

(367 posts)
22. Ethics? From the corporate business men who've proven shady histories of taking apart
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:27 PM
May 2017

whatever they touch for the purpose of making a profit?! I remain unimpressed by their tearing apart our country to make a profit.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
20. It may well have been an impeachable offense
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:20 PM
May 2017

Normally, the FBI director serves at the pleasure of the President. However, in this case, the President himself was the subject of an FBI investigation, which the director was personally spearheading at the time of his dismissal. Proof that the underlying reason for the firing was to directly interfere with the investigation gives rise to the accusation of obstruction of justice, an impeachable transgression. WaPo published an article tonight citing 30 sources that the Comey firing emanated from the WH and then through the DAG, not vice versa as stated by the WH.

Wounded Bear

(58,648 posts)
37. True...but...
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:09 AM
May 2017

if they can connect it to an obstruction of justice charge, it would be illegal. Crimes are impeachable.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
47. You do not seem to grasp what "abuse of power" means
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:50 AM
May 2017

To abuse a power is to use a legitimate power for an illegitimate purpose.

Yes, the president can fire the FBI director. If it appears the president fired the FBI director to derail a criminal investigation of Trump or his associates, then the USE of that power becomes ABUSE of that power to carry out obstruction of justice.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
9. I will have a great sleep tonight, knowing that the
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:58 PM
May 2017

Orange Shit Stain will not. Because there may be the first arrests in Trump-Russia betrayal tomorrow.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
27. I'm sorry to ruin your sleep, but Cheetolinni,
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:49 PM
May 2017

doesn't have enough working brain cells to realize how deep the shit around him just got. He'll sleep fine.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
29. We'll see
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:54 PM
May 2017

I expect him to start at his usual time, but if he does it all night, then yeah, something scary has entered his mostly hollow brain.

awesomerwb

(139 posts)
78. There must be thousands of tweet replies to him per day
Thu May 11, 2017, 09:54 AM
May 2017

Do you guys think he sees the 'bad ones' or do you think he gets a 'sanitized' timeline?

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
10. 'possible'
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:59 PM
May 2017

When it doesn't happen...well she didn't say it would. Only that it was possible.

Just like Taylor and his 'considering options.' Nothing happened, but hey...he never said it would. Only that options were being considered. Something he wouldn't have any way of knowing, but which also can't really be disproved.


That's how these hucksters do it. Shame so many people fall for it.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
16. She says it will happen soon, and possibly tomorrow. And she was right about the first FISA
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:11 PM
May 2017

warrant, months before the MSM reported it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
74. You place great in your own faith-based prophecy, as well.
Thu May 11, 2017, 09:18 AM
May 2017

You place great in your own faith-based prophecy, as well. No doubt, you'll deny it as prophecy and offer objective evidence to support it as a premise, yes?

Falling for it, indeed...

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
17. She was right about something important many DUers got wrong.
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:12 PM
May 2017

She's been saying all along that, despite his mistakes, Comey was one of the good guys and Democrats should be supporting him.

She was right. DT has just proved that.

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
58. Exactly...
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:38 AM
May 2017

We now now that Oil Hair Chafetz removed the classified designation on the letter Comey sent to him in order to publish it worldwide on Twitter in order to try to bring down Hillary!

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
59. I keep hearing that but haven't run into a link on that.
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:39 AM
May 2017

Do you happen to have one? I'd love to read it.

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
63. Sadly, no pnwmom...I don't...
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:46 AM
May 2017

If I recall, it was in an article by The NY Times or Wash Post...but I'd have to go back and look for it. If I find it, I'll send it to you!!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
71. It's fun to pretend we know what other should or should not hope for.
Thu May 11, 2017, 08:51 AM
May 2017

It's fun to pretend we know what other should or should not hope for. Again, it allows us a pretense of wisdom that may or may not be warranted.

Oh, wait.... part deux.

ThingsGottaChange

(1,200 posts)
53. You can always tell
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:31 AM
May 2017

who's been here for a good long while by the words and phrases they use. I remember Fitzmas well.

 

frankieallen

(583 posts)
19. "exclusive reporting of Claude Taylor on Twitter"
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:13 PM
May 2017

the biggest news story of the decade, and it's being reported by Claude on Twitter?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/5/5/1659292/-No-Claude-Taylor-and-company-are-not-reputable-sources-on-Trump-Russia

"and the first mainstream reporter to cover the news, Keith Olbermann – nonetheless confirmed last night, Tuesday, May 9th, that subpoenas were issued from the Eastern District of Virginia against associates of General Flynn."

I don't think so...

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
21. This is a new world.
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:21 PM
May 2017

Here is a set of tweets by an anonymous, self-described journalist who explains how someone like Claude Taylor (former Director of Volunteers, overseeing 3000 volunteers for the Clinton administration) could be someone to take seriously.

And to all the below I would add: Claude Taylor is not posting anonymously. He is willing to put his name on his tweets and to stake his reputation on them. So that's worth something.

https://twitter.com/aliasvaughn


Ale? ‪@aliasvaughn 
2) I've been a journalist in mainstream media for SEVENTEEN years now. IN NO WAY MSM journalists are better sourced than former WH aides.



Ale? ‪@aliasvaughn More



4) Being a DC journalist absolutely doesn't mean a. HAVING FBI access or b. being called by sources just bc you're MSM. NOT how it works.


Ale? ‪@aliasvaughn More



5) Being a DC journalist for MSM also DOESN'T mean having IC source access. AT ALL. Most MSM journos do NOT have the TRUST of IC ppl.




Ale? ‪@aliasvaughn ore



8) More importantly, ‪@TrueFactsStated as WH aide had a chance to form connections a journalist can only DREAM of, unless V. good with ppl.



Ale? ‪@aliasvaughn 10) A former WH aide like ‪@TrueFactsStated builds sources having 2 things journos don't have a. political capital, and b. PERSONAL TRUST.



Ale? ‪@aliasvaughn May 5 More



16) IC or FBI sources are MUCH more likely to speak to someone they've built a relationship with through time that they trust.



Ale? ‪@aliasvaughn re



18) When WaPo or NYT or CNN get scoop, it's bc IC people are LOOKING FOR maximum exposure.


Ale? ‪@aliasvaughn 19) Instead ‪@TrueFactsStated or ‪@20committee get facts bc of the trust & access they have to IC/FBI. Their knowledge is direct & constant.




rainbow4321

(9,974 posts)
68. Yup...he tweeted that he had heard about the grand juries (long before MSM)
Thu May 11, 2017, 05:52 AM
May 2017

And Rick Wilson retweeted that original tweet right after....adding a single word of his own. "Same". Then days later MSM tried to act like they just broke the news. People who follow those Twitter accounts knew better, though...one Twitter follower tagged CNN in a tweet basically saying "sooo...you read and and then lifted the news from this Twitter account".

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
24. Most interesting: STATE LEVEL GRAND JURY + RICO Indictments + CIVIL document linked
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:31 PM
May 2017

If I am reading her post correctly....

That means a NY STATE Criminal RICO case with potentially a CIVIL RICO case also joined to it...


That would be like a dream come true...

Can't be touched by federal pardon

And the only plaintiff with sufficient standing to bring a civil case would have to be HRC....

Hmmmmm...
a sitting POTUS cannot really be indicted on criminal charges while in office...

But I believe there just might be precedent for being named a defendant in a civil case while in office...

And if judgement were in plaintiffs favor...
might result in forfeiture of any gains resulting from actions against plaintiff...
Which would be the office he holds...

Oh well...
yesterday's tin hat conspiracy theory
will hopefully become tomorrow's reality....

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
25. A sitting President could be named as an unindicted co-conspirator.
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:38 PM
May 2017

Didn't that happen to Nixon?

But probably DT won't be one of the first group of cases. That's okay. If enough of his team goes down, he will too -- eventually.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
26. EXCLUSIVE: IC sources: First #TrumpRussia arrests soon 'possibly tomorrow'
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:49 PM
May 2017

When the shit hits the Trump fan, it really does it right. Where are all the trolls crying about their impatience now?






nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
30. More low level mobsters ? If true "imminient arrests" could be anyone.
Wed May 10, 2017, 11:56 PM
May 2017

Would love to see a known
"name" arrested , even if its just Idiot Page.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
34. "Flynn associates" might indicate the conspiracy to kidnap on behalf ot Turkey's dictator.
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:05 AM
May 2017

Of course, that would mean rolling up Flynn too.

Another possibility is the money laundering angle, funding Republicans with Russian mob money.

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
45. Thank you. That was the sane answer I was looking for.
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:42 AM
May 2017

'Cause there's a red, under my bed
And there's a little yellow man in my head
And there's a true blue inside of me
That keeps stoppin' me, touchin' ya, watchin' ya, lovin' ya
Paranoia, the destroyer.
Paranoia, the destroyer.

and thank you Ray Davies.

CitizenZero

(525 posts)
31. I Hope That This Is True
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:00 AM
May 2017

It is past due for some legal action on this matter. Hopefully the dam is about to burst. I would love to wake up tomorrow and hear the news of some indictments.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
38. That's what I like about living on the west coast.
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:10 AM
May 2017

Plenty of time for something to happen before I wake up.

Wounded Bear

(58,648 posts)
40. Not getting my hopes up...
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:12 AM
May 2017

but it would be nice if they start hauling in the low-level underlings. Start lining them up and get them rolling on their bosses. That's how you take down a mob. FBI has been doing it since the 30's-40's. They're pretty good at it.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
46. I wouldn't be surprised if they started on some of this long before the campaign even.
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:42 AM
May 2017

Schneider in NY has had his eyes on Trump, and on mobsters there, for a long time.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
57. Neither Claude nor Louise are anonymous -- like you, me, or most DUers. They are willing
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:38 AM
May 2017

to put associate their names with their tweets and to stake their reputations on them.

And they've both been right on the facts more than they've been wrong. (If you followed them you would know that they also report rumors or chatter and speculation -- and they label it as such when they do it. They're not trolling anyone.)

Response to pnwmom (Reply #57)

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
77. They lost me with
Thu May 11, 2017, 09:35 AM
May 2017

calling Comey's firing unconstitutional - it was perfectly legal. Stupid, short sighted and an obvious ploy but perfectly legal.

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
80. Wouldn't it be illegal if proven it was obstruction of justice?
Thu May 11, 2017, 10:30 AM
May 2017

The news coming out that Trump fired Comey to stop the Russia investigation makes me think that's what she was referring in that comment. I have been following Mensch & Taylor for awhile now and they have been correct on a bunch of things...

Look what the Comey firing did just last night, so many breaking stories last night with 30 or more sources on one story. No one is holding back now and Trump kicked an FBI hornets nest and will not come away unstung...

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
81. That's almost impossible to prove
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:14 PM
May 2017

I follow Mensch and Taylor on twitter but that charge is never going to be proven using Comey's firing. They have been right about just about everything - grand juries, subpoenas, etc but that part is simply bullshit.

The reason I called the firing stupid was just what you say - he kicked a hornet's nest by saying Comey had lost the respect of his team of investigators. They're supremely pissed off and donnie is going to need hip waders to get through the leaks.

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