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What if, say, three or four republican Senators changed their party affiliation to Democratic.
Would that rock the world, or what? Trump would be dead in his tracks. No more SC nominees seated, for one thing.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)Maybe Schumer should make them some offers they can't refuse!
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,817 posts)But three or four could declare publicly that they side with the Democrats on various issues, like perhaps more investigation into things.
Unfortunately, Republicans are far better at exercising party discipline and making their Senators and Representative toe the line and vote the way they're supposed to.
Mr.Bill
(24,253 posts)but these are strange times we live in. I also didn't think a bad reality show host and real estate criminal would get elected president, either. But however it happened, it sure happened.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Politicians don't change party affiliation often, lightly, or in large numbers.
Mr.Bill
(24,253 posts)I would use to describe the dangerous situation our country is in. Did you ever think the US press would be banned from the White House and the Russian press invited in?
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Because if they felt anything Trump has done so far warranted a change in affiliation... they would have changed affiliation.
Wounded Bear
(58,605 posts)given the polarization of the states right now, Repubs switching parties would lose their seats in the next cycle.
No politician will do something that would jeopardize their seat.
Mr.Bill
(24,253 posts)Or the ones from swing states?
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,817 posts)Let me ask you this:
How involved have you been with the Democratic Party on the electoral side? Have you ever run for office?
I have, and because of that I understand just how encompassing is a politician's party affiliation and party identity.
When I first was voting, I always registered as an Independent because I felt my actual party affiliation (in reality I've always been a Democrat) was anyone else's business, and I didn't understand that voting in primaries was at all important. At some point I understood why I should be voting in primaries, and changed my affiliation.
Or you might live in a state with open primaries, or a state that doesn't require party affiliation when you register to vote. More than once people here who live in one of those states posts something showing they don't realize how different in can be in another state. I live in New Mexico, and we have closed primaries. Which means if the party you're registered with doesn't have candidates in the primary, you don't get to vote in the primary. Recently some voters not registered either D or R, sued to force the state to open the primaries to all. They lost. You may well think they should have won, but they didn't, and it's not exactly a secret that we have closed primaries here, and in many other states.
So my essential point is that for politicians party affiliation goes far beyond the letter after their name, and is not something they change lightly. And most of the time making a change doesn't do any good.
Here's one way to think about it. No matter who you supported in the primaries last year, consider how different it would have been had Bernie Sanders been a registered Democrat all along. And assume he'd otherwise voted and done everything in his entire political life exactly as he has. It's clear that one of the reasons he did not gain the nomination was that a lot of people who might otherwise have supported and voted for him in the primaries, were very put off by is recent change. On this board, if it's at all representative of the rest of the country (which it's not, I know) many people made it extremely clear (and still do) that he was not a Democrat and therefore, despite anything else about him, was totally undeserving of their support. Never mind that he'd always caucused with Democrats. Never mind that he was always liberal and progressive. He always had the I after his name, not the D.
And although you're suggesting that there are Senators who perhaps won't be running again or who are from swing states might consider it, it's not like that. Again, at the level of serious involvement with electoral politics, as county chair, or precinct committee man or woman, let alone actually running for office, the party affiliation is central and crucial.
Mr.Bill
(24,253 posts)And I appreciate your thoughtful response. But I think we live in radically changing times, and regardless of the way it's been up until now, anything is possible. And there is precedent of great flight from one party to another. It happened during the LBJ Civil Rights Act era. I think what is going on now could be bigger than that. Moving to the Democratic party could be necessary for political survival for some. In that sense, it's a great time to be a political junkie. It's not going to be boring for a long, long time.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,817 posts)with the rank and file. Not at the level of Senators and Representatives.
In fact, exactly ONE Senator and ONE Representative changed parties during LBJ's time.
Here are links to the wikipedia articles, because they list all Senators and Representatives who have ever changed parties:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Representatives_who_switched_parties
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Senators_who_switched_parties
As you can see, it is so rare as to be meaningless.
So please do not pin any hopes on that happening.
There is a distant possibility that the Republican Party could somehow implode and all of the genuinely moderate Republicans break away and form a new party. But only a distant possibility, not much of a likelihood. It would take degree of commitment and will that just really isn't there. There's a similar distant possibility that the Democratic Party could likewise implode. Just look at the bad blood between the Hillary and Bernie factions, and not just here on DU.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,155 posts)....but it would help with committee assignments.