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NRaleighLiberal

(60,008 posts)
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:23 PM May 2017

Marshall, TPM - great piece. "The Wraithing of Rod Rosenstein"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-wraithing-of-rod-rosenstein#more-1058939

I am going to put the end of it here - it is amazing.

.....

But who exactly did Rosenstein think he was dealing with?

The marvel of this is how this pattern keeps repeating itself. Why do people get close to Trump? Here’s what I wrote last July …

Yet the precise motivations, the exact origins of the leak pale before a larger reality. They send an unmistakable message. Coming into the orbit of Mr Trump, taking his yoke as it were, requires not only total submission, a total relaxation of every muscle and defense but a farewell to all independence and dignity.

Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch’entrate …

Look at Chris Christie, a once strong-arming figure now reduced to being the iconic symbol of a shudder-inducing, oddly voluntary and seemingly perpetual cycle of abject humiliation. In addition to all the ‘hostage Christie’ memes we saw over recent months, Trump forces made sure to tell numerous reporters that as recently as Thursday night – last night – Christie was literally pitching himself to Trump on the phone, again begging to be picked for Veep even after the decision for Pence had apparently already been made. As recently as Friday morning, according to the Times, Christie still thought he was still in the running. It seems quite likely Christie only finally learned his fate from Trump’s twitter. As the Times put it with some understatement in a separate article dedicated entirely to Christie’s public humiliation, “Mr. Trump appeared to relish poking fun at his effusive booster.”



It’s Rosenstein more or less to a tee, even though we’ve yet to see him in public with the hollow eyes and vacant stare.

I cannot figure why Rosenstein took part in this. I don’t know enough about him to attempt any analysis of his personality. All I know is that he did. And that, whatever his motivations and however it matches or mismatches with his career to this point, his public reputation is deservedly obliterated. There’s something dark and sick at the center of the Trump World because I don’t think anyone can really deny the pattern I’m taking note of here, even though I describe it in fulsome and lavish language: everybody who gets close gets damaged, usually badly. And the heart of that darkness is Trump himself, a lumbering vortex of need and rage, a black hole. The only question is why people keep going, mainly of their own free volition into his reach.
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Marshall, TPM - great piece. "The Wraithing of Rod Rosenstein" (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal May 2017 OP
I've been asking.. cilla4progress May 2017 #1
Perhaps because frazzled May 2017 #2
He may be detaching today during his meeting with WhiteTara May 2017 #3
The go for the same reason the cobra goes to the snake charmer Phoenix61 May 2017 #4
Josh Marshall is simply one of the best. longship May 2017 #5
I've been waiting to see what happens to Ivana and Jared, but... LAS14 May 2017 #6
Thanks for this, NRL Cha May 2017 #7
. NRaleighLiberal May 2017 #12
"Wraithing" is such an incredibly accurate word and concept. CincyDem May 2017 #8
Thanks for posting this..This last sentence need repeating... Stuart G May 2017 #9
that is the punch line, to me. NRaleighLiberal May 2017 #13
ABC is reporting Rosenstein threatened to quit BainsBane May 2017 #10
He should have. maxsolomon May 2017 #20
he looks like Fredo. geek tragedy May 2017 #11
'I said Id help you whack Carlo. But you didnt say youd tell everyone it was my hit!' herding cats May 2017 #14
Right on! kentuck May 2017 #15
Wraithing? Perhaps, "writhing..." Grins May 2017 #16
I believe it's creating a wraith More_Cowbell May 2017 #21
Wraith (noun): lastlib May 2017 #23
Sycophants are attracted to wealth and power Martin Eden May 2017 #17
More: Amaryllis May 2017 #18
He leaves turmoil and chaos in his wake wherever he goes, whatever he does vlyons May 2017 #19
You can't be a dedicated public servant at his level mcar May 2017 #22

cilla4progress

(24,718 posts)
1. I've been asking..
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:25 PM
May 2017

What does trump et al have on Rosenstein, or given, as you say, the repeating pattern: how is this bully dynamic working?

Maybe Rosenstein was "duped," but, come on, how stupid does one need to be????

SMH

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
2. Perhaps because
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:27 PM
May 2017

loyalty is everything to Trump, and a refusal to draft something about Comey (we don't even know exactly what Trump asked of him) would mean his own axing ... no doubt on the spot. And when you're not there, you can't even do anything to stop the worst depredations.

That said, it's a lose-lose situation for anyone sucked into the madman's orbit: you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
3. He may be detaching today during his meeting with
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:29 PM
May 2017

the Senate Intelligence Committee. I look forward to leaks and reports.

Phoenix61

(16,994 posts)
4. The go for the same reason the cobra goes to the snake charmer
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:38 PM
May 2017

Narcissists are wonderful to be around until they are not. When they like you it is amazing! You are wonderful, the best, everything you do is incredible. And let's face it, being adored it pretty damn nice. But then, for no apparent reason, you become the enemy. You want to understand what happened and to fix it and go back to being thought wonderful. It will never happen, no matter how hard you try it will never, ever happen. Narcissists don't forgive and they certainly never forget. Revenge is more their style.

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. Josh Marshall is simply one of the best.
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:39 PM
May 2017

TPM is a mandatory daily visit. Make sure you visit the Editor's Blog.

LAS14

(13,769 posts)
6. I've been waiting to see what happens to Ivana and Jared, but...
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:40 PM
May 2017

... maybe it already happened long ago?

CincyDem

(6,338 posts)
8. "Wraithing" is such an incredibly accurate word and concept.
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:45 PM
May 2017

Used so little outside fantasy writing and yet, so painfully accurate.

The concept of Trump hallowing out the souls of those close to him and then discarding their carcasses like empty casinos is just priceless. Rosenstein spent 30 years building it and Trump drained it in 3 weeks. Makes me shudder what he can do to the country's 250+ years of reputation building - where will be in 25 weeks?


these guys are such asshats.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
9. Thanks for posting this..This last sentence need repeating...
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:46 PM
May 2017

There’s something dark and sick at the center of the Trump World because I don’t think anyone can really deny the pattern I’m taking note of here, even though I describe it in fulsome and lavish language: everybody who gets close gets damaged, usually badly. And the heart of that darkness is Trump himself, a lumbering vortex of need and rage, a black hole. The only question is why people keep going, mainly of their own free volition into his reach.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
14. 'I said Id help you whack Carlo. But you didnt say youd tell everyone it was my hit!'
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:02 PM
May 2017

That line expresses it well. How anyone cannot have learned associating oneself with Trump is tantamount to setting yourself up to take the fall for him.

Grins

(7,199 posts)
16. Wraithing? Perhaps, "writhing..."
Thu May 11, 2017, 02:22 PM
May 2017

Yes; spelling police. Sorry.

I did love this line from the post: Chris Christie, a once strong-arming figure reduced to being the iconic symbol of a shudder-inducing, oddly voluntary, and seemingly perpetual cycle of abject humiliation.

That about sums him up!

More_Cowbell

(2,190 posts)
21. I believe it's creating a wraith
Thu May 11, 2017, 03:33 PM
May 2017

Like in the Lord of the Rings: completely subjugating someone to your will until they're a hollowed out shell of their former selves.

lastlib

(23,167 posts)
23. Wraith (noun):
Thu May 11, 2017, 04:22 PM
May 2017

"a ghost or ghostlike image of someone, especially one seen shortly before or after their death."

synonyms: ghost · specter · spirit · phantom · apparition · manifestation · spook · shade · phantasm

used in similes and metaphors to describe a pale, thin, or insubstantial person or thing;

a wisp or faint trace of something.

Martin Eden

(12,847 posts)
17. Sycophants are attracted to wealth and power
Thu May 11, 2017, 02:45 PM
May 2017

Like moths to a flame, they can't help themselves even though they'll get burned.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
19. He leaves turmoil and chaos in his wake wherever he goes, whatever he does
Thu May 11, 2017, 02:57 PM
May 2017

I guess people are so greedy and delusional that they think Ben Franklin C notes will rain down from heaven on them if they kiss his butt. I can't think of any other reasons.

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