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William769

(55,144 posts)
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:15 PM May 2017

Edited. I give up on translation.

From now on and forever I will be referring to trump as comrade trump. Make no mistake that's what he is.

I will use it here, I will use it in public, I will use it where ever his name is mentioned.

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Edited. I give up on translation. (Original Post) William769 May 2017 OP
Check your Russian unc70 May 2017 #1
I have. William769 May 2017 #4
It's trump as a verb, not the name BainsBane May 2017 #8
Thanks. I guess I'm SOL. William769 May 2017 #12
Товарищ Трамп unc70 May 2017 #10
Looks like "T pawn" to me. Hmmm.. furtheradu May 2017 #26
That looks like it would be pronounced "Tramp" flyingfysh May 2017 #27
Not all languages pronounce their vowels like we do. DFW May 2017 #35
I took three years of Russian flyingfysh May 2017 #38
Трамп BainsBane May 2017 #11
Edited. Thanks. William769 May 2017 #13
NO, keep the first word you originally had BainsBane May 2017 #14
comrade looks right BainsBane May 2017 #5
Whoa. I need to work on my Russian. PsychoBabble May 2017 #2
then there is this translation riversedge May 2017 #6
Watch for perils in literal translations DFW May 2017 #23
True that. Spanish literal translation of Gore's name is lunatica May 2017 #40
hi mate.... riversedge May 2017 #3
... William769 May 2017 #7
That would also pass for "Greetings, comrades" though the Russian "greetings" actually is singular DFW May 2017 #22
maggot MFM008 May 2017 #9
+1. Simple and accurate. BannonsLiver May 2017 #15
Liver! MFM008 May 2017 #20
! northoftheborder May 2017 #28
Trump would more properly translated phonetically. longship May 2017 #16
Since Russian does not have our "short u" sound.... DFW May 2017 #21
I would agree. longship May 2017 #24
Trying to explain vowel sounds to languages that don't have them is awkward. DFW May 2017 #34
I took a year of Russian nearly 5 decades ago longship May 2017 #36
Russians are everywhere these days. It's easier to keep up than it used to be. DFW May 2017 #37
How fun! longship May 2017 #39
But isn't Troomp as in TroompaLoompa more accurate? Phentex May 2017 #41
Feed that into a Google translator DFW May 2017 #42
Deniska Petrov wcmagumba May 2017 #17
comrade scum, comrade lying pervert, comrade asshole.. . . . . niyad May 2017 #18
Comrade Golden Shower lpbk2713 May 2017 #30
darn!!! forgot that one!! niyad May 2017 #43
thats ok--still love yah. riversedge May 2017 #19
Me too, William spiderpig May 2017 #25
It diminishes the importance of the Russian scandal Voltaire2 May 2017 #29
"Comrade" is a communist thing. I use "Kremlin Don"... JHB May 2017 #31
I won't -- he may like the authoritarian Trump, but he is not a communist karynnj May 2017 #32
tzump. trumcccp. or my grandpa would have called him trumpski. pansypoo53219 May 2017 #33

unc70

(6,110 posts)
1. Check your Russian
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:19 PM
May 2017

Capitalize Trump and you will get a better translation in Google Translate or whatever. My Russian is rather rusty; its been nearly fifty years since college classes.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
8. It's trump as a verb, not the name
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:23 PM
May 2017

You would write it phonetically, but that requires knowing the Cyrillic aphabet

DFW

(54,328 posts)
35. Not all languages pronounce their vowels like we do.
Sun May 14, 2017, 03:15 AM
May 2017

If the Cyrillic alphabet is all you have to work with, and you're dealing with someone whose only language is Russian, Трамп is about as close as you're gonna get.

flyingfysh

(1,990 posts)
38. I took three years of Russian
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:26 AM
May 2017

They don't have anything that would sound like the English pronunciation. Other languages often pronounce well known proper names very differently than we would. If you take the customary Russian version of Alaska and imitate the sounds, you get "Alyahska".

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
5. comrade looks right
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:22 PM
May 2017

I don't see how that second word comes out as Trump, though it's been decades since I studied Russian.

PsychoBabble

(837 posts)
2. Whoa. I need to work on my Russian.
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:20 PM
May 2017

Feeling more and more like "Martha" character on "The Americans" FX show ....

riversedge

(70,180 posts)
6. then there is this translation
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:22 PM
May 2017

??trump friend???

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товарищ козырем Edit

товарищ козырем

tovarishch kozyrem

trump friend

DFW

(54,328 posts)
23. Watch for perils in literal translations
Sat May 13, 2017, 09:07 AM
May 2017

козырь is literally "trump" like in a card in a bridge game. You can't call a German guy named Herr Schuhmacher "Mr. Cobbler" in English just because his name translates out to "makes of shoes."

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
40. True that. Spanish literal translation of Gore's name is
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:07 AM
May 2017

Sangriento which means pretty much what you might think if you take a moment to think about it. Bloody.

Internet language translation is an interesting activity but if you don't know both languages the results can be hilarious in the most unintended ways.

But I find it useful for translating phrases or single words when I process documentation and receipts for travel reimbursements for the Faculty and students in UC Berkeley who travel to every corner of the planet.

riversedge

(70,180 posts)
3. hi mate....
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:21 PM
May 2017


had to admit-needed to look it up.....

Best Translation
привет товарищи Translated To English
Russian

привет товарищи
English

1. Hi mates


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DFW

(54,328 posts)
22. That would also pass for "Greetings, comrades" though the Russian "greetings" actually is singular
Sat May 13, 2017, 08:59 AM
May 2017

I remember seeing editions of "Pravda" back in 1968, when Brezhnyev was preparing to invade Czechoslovakia, but keeping them in the dark with letters of "comradely" advice. The "open letters" on page one of "Pravda" would always start with "Дорогие товарищи!" or "Dear comrades!"

longship

(40,416 posts)
16. Trump would more properly translated phonetically.
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:32 PM
May 2017

Since it is a proper name.

The correct spelling might be "Трамп", or maybe "Трyмп". I think the first as it is phonetically closer.

DFW

(54,328 posts)
21. Since Russian does not have our "short u" sound....
Sat May 13, 2017, 08:52 AM
May 2017

Трамп is closer to our pronunciation ("Trahmp&quot than Трyмп ("Troomp&quot .

DFW

(54,328 posts)
34. Trying to explain vowel sounds to languages that don't have them is awkward.
Sun May 14, 2017, 03:10 AM
May 2017

Russian is easy, as most vowels are always pronounced the same, with the exception of the stressed "o" as opposed to an unstressed "o." The word for "road" or "way" would be transliterated into English as "Doroga," but as the stress is on the middle syllable, a Russian would say "dah-RAW-gah." Trying to explain foreign vowel sounds to a Russian is more complicated.

The worst in Europe s trying to explain the Dutch "ui" to anyone who isn't Dutch. Like "kruider (herbs)." The best thing is go to a Dutch language youtube lesson or something. Go farther afield, and you get weirder stuff. If you ever meet a member of the Ibo tribe of Nigeria (probably a quarter the taxi drivers in Washington DC or Boston), be sure to pronounce both vowels three times as long as you would in any other language. "eee-bōōō" Not only will you be pronouncing it like they do, you'll get the biggest smile from a taxi driver that you've ever had, probably coupled with a need to explain how you know this if you've never been to Nigeria.

longship

(40,416 posts)
36. I took a year of Russian nearly 5 decades ago
Sun May 14, 2017, 03:45 AM
May 2017

I remember little about it except the Cyrillic alphabet and pronunciation, which kind of sticks with one.

DFW

(54,328 posts)
37. Russians are everywhere these days. It's easier to keep up than it used to be.
Sun May 14, 2017, 04:08 AM
May 2017

Of course, living in Germany, I run into Russians almost on a daily basis. My trouble is, when I was taking Russian in college, there was very little contact with normal Russians. The Soviet Union was still very much in place, and they didn't let their citizens out much unless on state business. By the time I finally made it to Russia, they stared at me like I was Rip van Winkle, because I knew no modern Soviet era slang. My Russian to them sounded like Victorian English would sound to us, and more than one person asked me where I had been these last hundred years.

That's nothing compared to what happened to another guy I knew at college. A classics major who looked like a hippie from 1967 Haight-Ashbury (but was really from a rich Pennsylvania family) took a hiking trip through Greece one summer. He knew no modern Greek, but was an expert in ancient Greek, so that's what he spoke when traveling there. He said in some of the more remote villages, people treated him very reverently, as he resembled paintings and icons of some local saints, and spoke in the same manner.

longship

(40,416 posts)
39. How fun!
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:41 AM
May 2017

BTW, I took Russian at Michigan State from Prof. Nazaroff in 1966-1967. It's been a long time. But she was a great professor. No, I don't remember much of it because I've not used it since -- just the alphabet and pronunciation.

My best.


DFW

(54,328 posts)
42. Feed that into a Google translator
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:53 AM
May 2017

You'll probably get the Russian for "deliverer of citrus fruit"

niyad

(113,213 posts)
18. comrade scum, comrade lying pervert, comrade asshole.. . . . .
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:35 PM
May 2017

yes, I will now include comrade every time I refer to that disgusting waste of resources.

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
25. Me too, William
Sat May 13, 2017, 06:06 PM
May 2017

It's been 50 years since I took high school Russian, when one of the students wrote the school paper complaining that we didn't teach German in WWII and what were we doing now?

Voltaire2

(12,990 posts)
29. It diminishes the importance of the Russian scandal
Sat May 13, 2017, 06:50 PM
May 2017

when we frame it in the red baiting terminology of the past.

Putin is not a communist. He is a right wing authoritarian. Russia is not a communist state, it is a right wing authoritarian oligarchy.

We are in peril here, not from some Cold War era communist threat, but from our own corrupt rightwing authoritarian party and its corrupt rightwing authoritarian leader.

The rise of neo fascism as a global political force is very real and very serious. We need to be clear about the nature of the threat.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
31. "Comrade" is a communist thing. I use "Kremlin Don"...
Sat May 13, 2017, 07:04 PM
May 2017

The whole "comrade" thing was to remove titles because Communist Party doctrine said that everyone was equal, despite the way the Soviets actually worked.

There's nothing about Trump and and his PutiPals that think anyone else is equal to them. Kremlin Don wants to be a Czar.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
32. I won't -- he may like the authoritarian Trump, but he is not a communist
Sat May 13, 2017, 07:08 PM
May 2017

What I never got before was it was not the authoritarian dictators, but the suppression of the church and socialism alone that the right wing hated about communism.

Personally, I think that name calling - right or left - destroys the ability to persuade anyone not already on your side. Think about how likely you would be to consider an argument made by someone who called Obama Obummer - or worse.

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