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Norbert9

(494 posts)
Thu May 11, 2017, 07:16 PM May 2017

The Real Storied Buried Today is the Plan to Steal 2020

Trump put a voter ID hawk in charge of his 'Election Integrity' group

Over the last decade, Kobach has emerged as one of the country's most influential immigration hawks and a crusader for stricter voter identification laws. He has clashed repeatedly with voting rights groups and is currently stuck in a contentious court battle with the American Civil Liberties Union, which filed a lawsuit claiming his office sought to turn back Kansas voters in violation the National Voter Registration Act.


He's the man behind CrossCheck, which impacted the 2016 election as much as anything.

The Election was Stolen - Here's How

Sorry it's not as sexy as Russia.
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The Real Storied Buried Today is the Plan to Steal 2020 (Original Post) Norbert9 May 2017 OP
Some apparently prefer to blame Jill Stein, guillaumeb May 2017 #1
They all had a hand in it. murielm99 May 2017 #2
You still obsessing over those self-identified "progressives" who voted for Trump? emulatorloo May 2017 #3
They are on the left (alt-left) but not Dem left. radius777 May 2017 #13
Blaming Stein IS blaming GOP -Jill Stein was paid by the russians sharedvalues May 2017 #5
Wow, I hadn't known Nader was paid by Rove. Mister Ed May 2017 #9
links sharedvalues May 2017 #12
Thanks. n/t Mister Ed May 2017 #15
Accusations. guillaumeb May 2017 #16
Stein paid by putin. sharedvalues May 2017 #17
Proximity and proof are not synonymous. guillaumeb May 2017 #19
She took money from RT sharedvalues May 2017 #20
2020? Plan is to steal 2018 sharedvalues May 2017 #4
What does this have to do with Russia? K&R nt NCTraveler May 2017 #6
Thanks so much for posting. Rec. emulatorloo May 2017 #7
I don't know what Kobach's middle name... 3catwoman3 May 2017 #8
If they can't win, they'll steal. Initech May 2017 #10
Where is the ACLU lawsuit to demand transparency on 'interstate crosscheck'? Snarkoleptic May 2017 #11
Sunday election day, more early voting, get rid of registration sharedvalues May 2017 #14
Message deleted by DU the Administrators TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #18

murielm99

(30,656 posts)
2. They all had a hand in it.
Thu May 11, 2017, 07:29 PM
May 2017

They have their own nefarious system of checks and balances in regards to election theft.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
3. You still obsessing over those self-identified "progressives" who voted for Trump?
Thu May 11, 2017, 07:34 PM
May 2017

If so, I don't get it.

There are no progressives at DU who voted for Trump.

There are no progressives anywhere who voted Trump.

Anyone who voted for Trump is not progressive or on the left. No matter if they call themselves "progressives."

radius777

(3,624 posts)
13. They are on the left (alt-left) but not Dem left.
Thu May 11, 2017, 09:33 PM
May 2017

The alt-left is more of a conservative/libertarian hard left that is supportive of statist economic policies, nationalism, etc - and sympathetic to dictators like Putin and Trump.

The mainstream Dem left/center-left is in the old liberal and progressive Western tradition, whereas the alt-left is not.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
5. Blaming Stein IS blaming GOP -Jill Stein was paid by the russians
Thu May 11, 2017, 07:38 PM
May 2017

And the Russians paid her, with Flynn sitting next to her, because they certainly knew Stein would take votes from Hillary.

Before Stein, Nader was paid by Rove.



Stein and Nader are PART OF the GOP strategy, not just some progressive fantasy.

So blaming Stein is THE SAME as blaming the GOP.
That is one and the same.

Mister Ed

(5,896 posts)
9. Wow, I hadn't known Nader was paid by Rove.
Thu May 11, 2017, 08:34 PM
May 2017

Hadn't heard it anywhere before. Do you know where I can read up on it a bit? Thanks.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
12. links
Thu May 11, 2017, 09:32 PM
May 2017
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html




Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader’s campaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP’s Laura Meckler headlined “GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads.” She opened: “Hoping to boost Ralph Nader in states where he is threatening to hurt Al Gore, a Republican group is launching TV ads featuring Nader attacking the vice president [Mr. Gore]
...
During the 2004 election contest, a local AP story from Salem, Oregon, on June 25th, was similarly headlined “Pro-GOP Groups Seek to Aid Nader, Hurt Kerry,” and reported, “Two conservative groups [the business-oriented Citizens for a Sound Economy, and the fundamentalist Christian Oregon Family Council] have been phoning people around Oregon this week, ... in hopes of putting Nader’s name on Oregon’s presidential ballot.”


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5850151/ns/msnbc-hardball_with_chris_matthews/

Okay, so the San Francisco Chronicle has reported that 10 percent of all checks over $1,000 to the Nader campaign have also contributed to the Bush/Cheney campaign and Republican causes.
Business Week, and the Boston Globe have reported that Dick Egan a Bush Ranger who raised over $200,000 for the Bush/Cheney campaign has now maxed out to Nader as well.
And in Oregon the Oregon chapter of Citizens for a Sound Economy led nationally by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey funded a organizational program to get Nader on the Oregon ballot. The chapter’s phone banks recruited Republicans to sign up for Nader with the following message:
"Nader could peel away a lot of Kerry support in Oregon ... Liberals are trying to unite (but) we could divide this base of support" by signing up for Nader”
In Michigan officials of the Michigan Republican State Party turned in 43,000 signatures to put Ralph Nader on the state’s ballot – note 30,000 signatures are required to get on the ballot in Michigan.


https://books.google.com/books?id=gPdGc6rDHwYC&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82&dq=nader+rove&source=bl&ots=_f_tv9lE2g&sig=om3CWWCa1eF8ZgiDLQeEuEE4ngw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR9KHzmenTAhVEwiYKHQRNAMU4ChDoAQhVMAk#v=onepage&q=nader%20rove&f=false

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
19. Proximity and proof are not synonymous.
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:16 PM
May 2017

I was hoping for something better, or at least relevant, to illustrate the charges you threw out.

3catwoman3

(23,812 posts)
8. I don't know what Kobach's middle name...
Thu May 11, 2017, 08:17 PM
May 2017

...is, but we should make it Kreep so his initials can be KKK.

Snarkoleptic

(5,995 posts)
11. Where is the ACLU lawsuit to demand transparency on 'interstate crosscheck'?
Thu May 11, 2017, 08:50 PM
May 2017

We need to see their e-mails, policies/procedures, workpapers, methodologies, before/after lists, ALL OF IT AND MORE!

Furthermore, we should amend the constitution to provide a positive right to vote. Every citizen 18+ years of age and who has paid their (criminal) debt to society, should be afforded the right to vote. Only then will efforts to disenfranchise folks be off limits.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
14. Sunday election day, more early voting, get rid of registration
Thu May 11, 2017, 09:38 PM
May 2017

We want MORE citizens to have the opportunity to vote, not fewer.

We need election day to be a Sunday or holiday.

We need more early voting.

And there is no need for voter registration. You don't need to register to pay your taxes. The government knows who eligible voters are. Register and vote same day.

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